Haha... who is that dude?

Also recall that Performers need Perform, but Beggars dont!
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Disco, is the html-pdf booklet on the job system up to date?

How do you get Painter to work?

That, would be "Special Ed. "

I'm so excited to get to work on my job, but I just don't know how to test it out. I can't find a researcher's desk anywhere.

Can you grab preacher if your deity field is empty?

What happens if your deity filled is full but you're the wrong alignment for your god?

Can you grab preacher if your deity field is empty?
What happens if your deity filled is full but you're the wrong alignment for your god?

Well, you only got one deity field to start with...

Hurrah for the chicken!

Out of curiosity, since i haven't been able to find it myself and saw on the pdf thing explaining the job system that was posted a while ago that it wasn't finished, is the fletching profession in and working? I found places for making stuff still haven't found a trainer for it.

I'm confused. How is the Demonologist job supposed to work, Specifically? You cannot use it in combat, as it is a dialogue, to "observe" demons (attempted to do so earlier). And when approaching a research desk, an item of some sort is supposed to be placed within. Are there books/items I get from other places to research? If so... where?

*Kneels down and worships the King*

Paper is very easy to produce?

Re: Hexx's post: Are we already discussing abuse of the job system?

Suggestion: Level 3 dairy farmer, level 1 drink trader, level 2 ingredients trader. This way you are entirely self-supporting. To make this run more smoothly you need to have at least two friends that are max level with the same "build". I assume you have these two friends.

The idea: XP is generally good for level 3 standard rolls. Dairy farmers get two standard rolls where others get only one, because they are refiners for their own products or can buy these products from others as well. Then you sell things off at Level 2, to basically get standard rolls according to Level 3/Level 3/Level 2 from 1 of your own resources. (Some other jobs also get to process stuff twice, but many do not.)

NB: This is theory only. I don't have a dairy farmer, so I'm not entirely sure how this will work.

"How to be an Archmage over Night!"

Step 1: Speedies. Then take Dairy farmer 1, drink trader 1.
Everyone spawns cows (that's about 7 cows). Put up your NPC merchant box. All of you milk as much as you can, all sell the milk to your box. This gives you xp rolls for milking and also many more xp rolls for what the other ones are doing!
Step 2: After a while you will be Level 9. Take Dairy farmer 2.
Spawn more cows. More Milk. From now on, keep the milk in your infinite storage. Buy all milk from your friends (the price is 12gp or something, don't cheat!).
Take one of your buddies and make butter with all that milk (that's a lot of xp from THEIR milk as well). Sell the butter to your friend's NPC chest (that should pay for the milk and maybe a little more).
Step 3: You're suddenly Level 18. Take Dairy farmer 3.
More cows and more butter. Master xp from milking your own cows and master xp from ALL the milk again when you make butter.
Step 4: You're Level 21. Take Ingredients trader 1.
Cows, butter. Sell self-made butter to your own NPC chest, no need to take that buddy with you any longer. That gives you a little more money and a little more xp. Still you would want the others to sell their milk exclusively to you.
Step 5: You're Level 27. Dairy farmer 3, drink trader 1, ingredients trader 2.
Continue a little longer as before (or start helping a low-level which will also take you to level 30 just from milking for hours).
Step 6: You've reached Level 30.

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Now ... math:
Level 1 standard roll gives about 19 xp on average, including failure and bonus.
Level 2 standard roll is 45 xp.
Level 3 standard roll is 89 xp.

I don't know what the cool-down on the cows is. I asssume 2 minutes.

Step 1: (Dairy 1, Drink 1)
You get 19 xp every two minutes yourself. Meanwhile your two friends produce 5.4 milks every 2 minutes from their 6 cows.
So with your 0.5 milk/2 minutes, that's roughly 6 milks / 2 minutes.
That's another 114 xp with the drink trader. So you're gaining 133 xp in 120 seconds. You need Level 9 before this improves, that's 33000 xp ... That's 8 hours of grinding cows. Oh well.
Step 2: (Dairy 2, Drink 1)
You have two cows and each gives 45 xp and 0.7 milks per 2 minutes. Your friends still provide 5.4 milks, so you're close to 7 milks and 90 xp / 2 minutes.
Now you want to spend 5 minutes to make tons of butter ... That's another 45 xp for each of the milks, so comes out to an additional 315 xp / 2 minutes of milking. So you're making about 400 xp / 2 minutes. Not too shabby. Level 18 is 117k xp away. That's another 10 hours of grinding.
Step 3: (Dairy 3, Drink 1)
You're gaining 267 xp and 2.7 milks / 2 minutes. Your friends give you another 5.4 milks. That's 8 milks / 2 minutes. 8 attempts to make butter is another 712 xp / 2 minutes. That's 979 xp / 2 minutes.
You want Level 21, that's 57k xp away. That's 2 hours of grinding.
Step 4: (Dairy 3, Drink 1, Ingredients 1)
You're still gaining 979 xp / 2 minutes from milk and butter. Now you can also sell the maybe 6 butters you make for 114 xp. Up to 1093 xp / 2 minutes.
You want Level 27, that's 141 k away. That's only 4 and a half hour.
Step 5: (Dairy 3, Drink 1, Ingredients 2)
Selling butter gives you a little more xp now. You make 1249 xp / 2 minutes of grinding. Level 30 is only 84k xp away, that's less than 2 and a half hour.

Total time: 28 hours for you and your two level 30 buddies for pushing you legally to level 30 without ever seeing a monster. The time almost scales linearly in the number of friends you have, so this can be used to easily build up an army of dairy farmers. Epic weapon focus pitchfork included.

The interesting part really happens when you have level 3 dairy farmer, so here at level 18. It takes just 9 hours to reach level 30 from there! That seems quite good to me.

Pros:
* Absolutely no risk.
* Anyone can do it.
* Level 30s can help low-levels "legally", no twinking, no anything.
* XP is really good from level 18 on.
* Even faster with even more friends. Bring 10 friends and you could be level 30 within two resets ...

Cons:
* Only one guy gains a lot of xp (that's kind of the point, though).
* You don't get loot and you don't make any money.
* Might be a bit boring for everyone involved ...

Of course, if dairy farmer works differently than I thought, then file this under PHAIL.

Regards,
Ts

I thought this'd be a better place to post my question ... is this right? Would it work?

Even if it would work, what then? Should the xp be lessened or make the timer much longer and such?

It's like archers using placables as a blocking object, nothing can be done about it except punish whoever would use the system abusively, imho.

The alternative would be punishing everybody else.

Did I at any point state my dislike for the idea, or insinuate that there should be less xp given, or even that such actions would be against the philosophy of the job system?
I was just asking confirmation if that is possible, and if possible if it is allowable.

Total time: 28 hours for you and your two level 30 buddies for pushing you legally to level 30 without ever seeing a monster. The time almost scales linearly in the number of friends you have, so this can be used to easily build up an army of dairy farmers. Epic weapon focus pitchfork included.

Wow. . .thought i was reading a Tormak post.

The Job system is meant to be a viable alternative to grinding.

Fine, if we get swamped with dairy farmers, I'll put my hands up and admit it - but honestly I rather like the differences. So it's not perfectly balanced? Meh so what?

The Job system is meant to be a viable alternative to grinding. It's not just a mechanism to make blades and boobies.