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P Three
 
PostPosted: Sat, Jun 04 2011, 22:05 PM 

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Do they exist on Amia? Are they available for RDD characters? If so, is a request needed (like one for a gem dragon)?

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PostPosted: Sat, Jun 04 2011, 22:31 PM 

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Probably for the lore topic about their existance. No idea what they are. But yeah, request is needed. Chromatic, metallic and shadow dragons are available normally for RDDs, as the class info says in R&L.

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PostPosted: Sat, Jun 04 2011, 22:45 PM 

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I assume you're asking about Steel Dragons? They're the only "ferrous" type of dragon I know of. I seem to recall someone requesting one once, but given they aren't psionic (like all gem dragons are), I don't think a request is required. They'd count as a normal metallic dragon, with the main issue being that I don't think we've got appropriately colored wings. I'd imagine that a black DD's acid breath or a green's gas breath would work as far as that's concerned.

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P Three
 
PostPosted: Sun, Jun 05 2011, 1:02 AM 

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There are chromium, Iron, Cobalt, and a few more I don't remember. Chromium and Cobalt are both eeeeevil.

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PostPosted: Sun, Jun 05 2011, 2:44 AM 

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Source so I don't need to dig through obscure books to find these? They aren't Draconomicon or Dragons of Faerun that I'm aware of.

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PostPosted: Sun, Jun 05 2011, 2:55 AM 

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Dragon Mag # 356 and That Site That Shall Not Be Named

Hence me asking here. XD Some stuff on TSTSNBN is right, some isn't. better to ask and clear it up

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PostPosted: Sun, Jun 05 2011, 2:58 AM 

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That site... what? Just use straight words.

That said: Dragon mag is nice but I don't like taking too much of it at face value.

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PostPosted: Sun, Jun 05 2011, 3:07 AM 

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Wiki. Not D&D wiki, just plain old "wikipedia", from the Dungeons and Dragons Dragons page.

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PostPosted: Sun, Jun 05 2011, 3:41 AM 

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Then they may or may not be in the FR. I'm not really strong in my dragon lore, so I'm just guessing here.

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PostPosted: Sun, Jun 05 2011, 4:10 AM 

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Ferrous Dragon Entry:
http://dnd-wiki.org/wiki/DnDWiki:Dragon#Ferrous_dragons

Draconic Table of Metalic dragons:
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/Article.aspx ... d/20100401

Attempted FR tie in lore post on Ferrous Dragons:
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9408

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PostPosted: Sun, Jun 05 2011, 4:18 AM 

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I could swear I remembered reading something about them online somewhere...
Then again, I can't remember if they were mentioned or not in the Draconomicon, so... *Shrug*

Edit: Post rendered invalid by the one above. Cheers for the reading material! :D

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PostPosted: Sun, Jun 05 2011, 8:03 AM 

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Ferrous dragons just sound stupid.

"Hey I'm a Tungsten Dragon, really useful if you need to make a light globe filament"

I'm 99.9 percent sure I won't approve any requests involving these.

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PostPosted: Sun, Jun 05 2011, 8:07 AM 

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Yups, I am in agreement.

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PostPosted: Sun, Jun 05 2011, 9:16 AM 

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Steel Dragons, however, are very common in Faerûn. I think? Or was it brown dragons? Or both?

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PostPosted: Sun, Jun 05 2011, 9:20 AM 

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MoshingChris wrote:
Ferrous dragons just sound stupid.

"Hey I'm a Tungsten Dragon, really useful if you need to make a light globe filament"


Titanium elemental. Not that it's a requestable, but it's just as silly. :)


 
      
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PostPosted: Sun, Jun 05 2011, 15:01 PM 

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IronAngel wrote:
Steel Dragons, however, are very common in Faerûn. I think? Or was it brown dragons? Or both?


Steel dragons don't fall under the Ferrous Dragon sub-heading because the point of Ferrous dragons is that they are all considered inferior or serve under Iron Dragons.

Also Ferrous Dragons are based on elements whilst steel is an alloy.

Iron, chromium, cobalt, tungsten, and nickel are the Ferrous Dragon types.

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P Three
 
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MoshingChris wrote:
Steel dragons don't fall under the Ferrous Dragon sub-heading because the point of Ferrous dragons is that they are all considered inferior or serve under Iron Dragons.

Iron, chromium, cobalt, tungsten, and nickel are the Ferrous Dragon types.


Those. They all serve the Iron. However, the Cobalts do look really interesting, from my POV. Same with the Chromium. It'd be really really easy for a nasty Chromium to trick some not-too-lorewise PCs into thinking it's a Silver and doing a /lot/ of damage.

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PostPosted: Sun, Jun 05 2011, 16:57 PM 

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MoshingChris wrote:
IronAngel wrote:
Steel Dragons, however, are very common in Faerûn. I think? Or was it brown dragons? Or both?


Steel dragons don't fall under the Ferrous Dragon sub-heading because the point of Ferrous dragons is that they are all considered inferior or serve under Iron Dragons.

Also Ferrous Dragons are based on elements whilst steel is an alloy.

Iron, chromium, cobalt, tungsten, and nickel are the Ferrous Dragon types.


Oh yeah, I know. (Well, I didn't know that about Ferrous Dragons, but I knew Steel Dragons were a seperate thing.) Just pointing it out for clarity's sake, and to offer Realms-friendly possibilities.

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PostPosted: Sun, Jun 05 2011, 20:22 PM 

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IronAngel wrote:
Steel Dragons, however, are very common in Faerûn. I think? Or was it brown dragons? Or both?


Steels and Browns both, Yellows too.

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PostPosted: Sun, Jun 05 2011, 20:34 PM 

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What're the yellow ones? Mustard gas? Oh if the fantasy nazi's ever show up in their B-2 Skeletal bombers again we can dispatch the yellow mustard gas dragons to hold the blitz lines then counter attack with the plant-mecha. (I really wish I made all of this up but some of it is true.)

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PostPosted: Sun, Jun 05 2011, 23:15 PM 

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TormakSaber wrote:
IronAngel wrote:
Steel Dragons, however, are very common in Faerûn. I think? Or was it brown dragons? Or both?


Steels and Browns both, Yellows too.


They're kinda small, right?

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PostPosted: Mon, Jun 06 2011, 1:21 AM 

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Yellows are an avoidant, surly sort of breed that lives out in deserts and mainly just ambush things to eat. They typically do not want anything to do with anyone and just want to be left alone, hunt things, and do their own thing, IIRC; they are weaker than Blues and tend to just avoid them. Yellow Dragons can be found in the 2nd Ed Monster Manual and I'm not sure where else in 3rd and 3.5 off the top of my head. I believe they were Neutral Evil and sort of a medium-size dragon.

Addendum: I just looked through Draconomicon and Yellow Dragons aren't mentioned at all, though Browns are. My guess is they didn't survive the cut from 2nd to 3rd Ed, or are lurking in a Dragon Magazine or some other isolated source.


Browns are also a Neutral Evil desert breed and are flightless. They consider humanoids food and think it odd to converse with your meal and are thus unlikely to enter into relations (frisky or otherwise) with them. They can be found in Monsters of Faerûn (pg 38-40). They are immune to acid, have tremorsense, a line of acid for a breath weapon, and can innately Create Water, create sandstorms, Summon Air Elementals and cast Disintegrate (depending on age category.) They get to Colossal at Wyrm and Great Wyrm and are a larger breed. They're big and bad enough to compete with Blue Dragons for territory/resources/just because.

Neither are very social breeds and would likely be odd choices for Dragon Disciples in a community setting (why would they be on Amia, when they could be out in the desert, enjoying their isolation, solitude, and horse-eating?) and even stranger choices for half-dragons since neither are keen on interacting with intruders or food and wouldn't seek out interactions under most circumstances.


 
      
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Question before I wrack my brains on a request:

Song Dragons, page 44 Monsters of Faerun. Not psionic, always CG or CN...does a disciple of them require a request?

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PostPosted: Sun, Jul 03 2011, 1:02 AM 

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If you're not choosing one of the dragons readily available as a colour, yup, they need a request.

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PostPosted: Sun, Jul 03 2011, 5:33 AM 

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Yep yep.

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