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I agree. I know eventually the details of the domains are going to be put up, and I actually want them to eventually.

But for this initiate period of free changes, I don't think they should. That's the trade off. If you're legitimately switching for RP reasons you won't really care what the change is, you're just happy you've got the new one.

If you are changing for build reasons, knowing what each domain entails, then you should have to do what everyone else when trying to switch a domain that is known: pay DC with RP. Just like the new domain changes will be like after this free switch period.

Dark Immolation wrote:

I agree. I know eventually the details of the domains are going to be put up, and I actually want them to eventually.

But for this initiate period of free changes, I don't think they should. That's the trade off. If you're legitimately switching for RP reasons you won't really care what the change is, you're just happy you've got the new one.

If you are changing for build reasons, knowing what each domain entails, then you should have to do what everyone else when trying to switch a domain that is known: pay DC with RP. Just like the new domain changes will be like after this free switch period.

Except that anyone could just make a new character and check them out first, and if that's too much trouble, those in cliques that happen to be "in the know" will get the information from their friends and be in a priviledged position. The latter case is especially frustrating and unfair and that's why I think all technical information should be public. There's nothing fun or fitting about the secrecy anyway, because it's not what the game is about and not something you should expect because it has no precedent. Sounds more like juvenile bullying than generosity: "Oh you can get this free gift, no questions asked! We just won't tell you what's in it, and you can't return it afterwards even if you hate it."

In most cases the "RP reasons" would be related to what you think your character should be able to do, what kind of tools you think will help tell his story. Since your deity will offer an assortment of domains to pick from, I don't see what other RP reason there could be to choosing one over the other but their utility. Domains represent the spells and powers practiced in your faith that you choose to pursue IC, and they certainly don't come as a surprise to the educated clergy. Clerics will naturally pursue the path which seems the most relevant to them. So I don't even agree with the "switching legitimately for RP reasons" part, even if the problems mentioned in the first paragraph were addressed.

I think that with the diversity of spells and new domain-specific stuff, you might actually not feel like changing if you already have two domains that match. You can have more than one cleric character so it's not like you will miss the boat.

IronAngel wrote:

... those in cliques that happen to be "in the know" will get the information from their friends and be in a priviledged position. The latter case is especially frustrating and unfair and that's why I think all technical information should be public.

Being a former DM you should know that anyone caught doing this is will get in trouble. The only ones who get stuff early are the people testing it for viability or crafting said system. Those who are in those positions are there because they're generally good eggs and won't abuse their knowledge. If you know of people that are getting info ahead of time or where its coming from I'm very certain that the current DM team would like to know so they can deal with the persons that's taking advantage of the trust and violating it.

No, Svensk, it means that if some jackass tester, designer, or dev is abusing his/her position to let their friends know, they will quickly find themselves no longer in that position.

Which means, Svensk, you have nothing to worry about. Since you are not in a position to know.

n.b.: You'll notice I specifically never said how much info there would or wouldn't be, just that I think it's balls out stupid that we roll out the coolest fucking thing for clerics ever and all DP and Iron can do is, as usual, complain about it.

...Deleted my response to re-write it, but it seems you were fast but not 'that' fast enough

Yeah, Good to know. Pretty much like MR Mago then.

Alright, alright... they don't always mean it to sound like complaining, Stormak. Let's all be happy in this thread! I'll add more specifically, thanks Mosh! You rock!

I don't see a 'Nookie' domain in that list.

When will the new cleric domain lists and the benefits of the new domains (as well as any changes to the old ones, if necessary) be posted?

When they are for sure done. Probably at the same time the hak update comes.

Hak update? Cool.

I eagerly await further developments.

Xaviera wrote:

I don't see a 'Nookie' domain in that list.

Agreed! On behalf of my Sharessin cleric I am outraged there is no Pleasure domain!
How will she ever get access to Sharess' Caress now?!

(I'm kidding, obviously ^_^)

Xaviera wrote:

I don't see a 'Nookie' domain in that list.

Bahahaha <3

I think it's neat, I can't wait to see what happens, even though I only have one cleric active.

So THATS where the Wiz/sorc familiar changes went. Busy with them no good spell beggars eh?

Very good stuff Mosh and friends. Though i cant seam to find most of these domains anywhere, i understand some are likely semi costume. Where might i look to see info on these domains?

Faiths and Pantheons, and Complete... Champion, I believe, are the books you want. I believe there is also a Faerun book specifically that redocuments much of Comp. Champion for FR flavor.

Sounds pretty damn cool! I'll be curious to see it in full action.

I'm most of all curious about this "balance" domain though. ::rubs chin::

Moon. Okay. Sounds fun.

o0GuNz_N_RoSeZ0o wrote:

I'm most of all curious about this "balance" domain though. ::rubs chin::

Domain Ability: Everyone other than pure-fighters suffer from -1 to all Ab, saves, and skills. ^^

But on a real tip, I imagine things related directly to nature, stasis, and things not changing. Maybe like Nature's Balance as a bonus spell? I don't know, thats just maybe an obvious one I would guess it would get cuz its in the name lol.

The chaos domain sounds....nice :twisted:

That's a common misconception. Natures balance isn't about stagnation and sameness.

I didn't mean the two were related, that should be an "or" not an "and". Don't you turn this into a nature debate, you halfie hippie. >:P

Champions of Valor would be the book you're looking for Tormak.

Dwagin wrote:

Dramatic_Prince wrote:

It should be up to the player to decide if he/she wants to chose the domain for RP over mechanical. Domains are already going to be enforced, which is a step in the right direction.

Forcing people to choose blind, is not.

I'm pretty certain the launch of this system is saying that "No, in fact it is not up to the player." Either your character follows their god because they follow the god's with faith or belief in their divine edict and purpose, or they follow that belief because its convenient for your build. I also fail to see how you say both 'It should be up to the players!' but.. 'This is a step in the right direction!' ..Conflict much?

The step in the right direction is that domains are being enforced, which follows PnP.
If you read Sune's statement, each deity has SIX domains to choose from.
So regardless if you choose power or RP, you have to do it within the boundaries given.
And the point here is that you should have access to all that the six domains of your deity has to offer, so you can make an educated choice.

Dwagin wrote:

There's nothing wrong with not wanting your character to suck and doing the best with the pieces your concept has available to it and asking for help if you're not good at doing that.

And here, you answered it yourself anyway.

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You'll notice I specifically never said how much info there would or wouldn't be, just that I think it's balls out stupid that we roll out the coolest [removed] thing for clerics ever and all DP and Iron can do is, as usual, complain about it.

Please go sling your mud elsewhere. You're not the only DM who is answering our questions here.

Dramatic_Prince wrote:

And what deity gives what domain?

Jolly good show~what!

Dramatic_Prince wrote:

Jolly good show~what!
Any newly scripted spells to boot? A hin can dream can't she? :lol:

IronAngel wrote:

:o
I love you guys. This is so wonderful.

I just have to say that this is awesome and I eagerly await its implementation.

Now I want to make a Cleric...

With the new hak, will there be more new deity cloaks? Just curious. There is no cloak for Valkur. Could this be added with the new hak?

Doubt it.

S-so! YOU MEAN I CAN BE EVEN MORE HEALER-ESQUE!? *squeals* Ima excited

wereguy2 wrote:

Now I want to make a Cleric...

I don't.

Three of my main characters are Clerics, Hah. Although, i only really play two of them, now.

I just hope each domain is fairly balanced.

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Tormak - reading topics since 2004... not. Well, fuck you too. I never complained about this change in any way, so go slander and flame elsewhere. Your obsession is becoming unhealthy, and I've just about had enough. Go back under your bridge, troll.

Again, great work Mosh and others. I know this will be implemented the right way when it's done.

TormakSaber wrote:

Faiths and Pantheons, and Complete... Champion, I believe, are the books you want.

Complete Divine.

fun fun fun, i guess i will have a cleric after all.

I'm taking bets of which deity will get the shaft.

Oh the rebuilds!

In saying that... it was the step in the direction the team wanted.

Tormak's Mom. She's a goddess and she's definitely getting my shaft.

Oh goddamn it.

THE BRAIN PICTURES!! MAKE THEM STOP!!!

Galenson wrote:

I'm taking bets of which deity will get the shaft.

Oh the rebuilds!

In saying that... it was the step in the direction the team wanted.

Every one that doesn't have plant/travel >>

Yossarin wrote:

Tormak's Mom. She's a goddess and she's definitely getting my shaft.

Do you not fear the wrath of Tormak?

Rebuilds? you wish. You get the demain change in game. You want a rebuild, you ask for it like everyone else. And I hope you have a better reason than "You made me take my deity's domains. Now I'm USELESS!".

AxlLeigh wrote:

Oh goddamn it.

THE BRAIN PICTURES!! MAKE THEM STOP!!!

You mean you're not wearing a protective helmet? :shock:

Pretty cool. How are some of these domains going to be fleshed out without the addition of new spells? Will each domain have a spell at every spell level? Scalykind, elf for example...I just have a feeling other classes spellbooks are going to be cannibalized in order to do it. But i guess thats what happens in PnP anyway but at least there's a far bigger spell choice there so its not quite as bad.

I predict a landslide of converts to Jergal, Akadi, Erevan, Oghma, Fenmarel, Brandobaris, Hoar, Mielikki, Mask and Sharess!

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Time_domain

Chance of Clerics getting time stop? Square root of fuck all.

True Strike, Haste and Mass Haste is enough to---------

You're all wrong. Detect evil beats any of those spells in term of usefulnes.

As someone with three clerics - I'm cool with the choices s'long as I know -what- they do by the time this is implemented. Kudos to you guys.

Sounds kinky!

I hope the opening of these new domains gets a few more people back to playing clerics as actual spellcasters now. They get a mess-load of spellslots compared to other casting classes that must slot.

I'm curious to see if there will be any Mystran/Azuthan clerics with Magic and Spell Domain now. Seems like it'd be great RP that blurs the line between Arcane and Divine, in addition to presenting a PC who's faith, science, and vocation are one and the same.

Also, will all of these new domains be getting new domain abilities?

Clerics are always played as actual spellcasters. It's just that the majority of the the spells they cast are to enhance combat, which is what they are made for. In the FR, clerics are not the minister down the road at the Faith Baptist Church. They're holy zealot warriors who use powers from their gods to messily and violently kill people who follow opponents of their faith. I really dislike how people think that clerics are misused when in melee. That is why they have so many combat buffs and a 3/4 BAB progression, after all.

Gravemaskin wrote:

I predict a landslide of converts to Jergal

Jergal is pleased...

Also:

DerkDerkistan wrote:

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!

stfu.

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