Nekhy, can you make the 'Search' button big, flashy and seizure inducing?

whats Skeletor count as then?

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I tried the big, coloured and flashy method with the subrace page and it didn't work.

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The original founders of the Serpent get to be the VR Troopers, then!



Well, yeah, it kinda has to be left as an option, Nekh. I mean, my PC isn't going to constantly K.O. a person, if they keep attacking him... Escalation is a needed option. But it also needs to be used wisely.

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There is an IC reason Tuomas is trying to research Non-lethal spell technique. (I haven't yet put a formal request in cause I don't quite have enough RP to say he's finalized a solution but if there's a Dm who sees this and is interested in providing lore assistance I'd be much appreciative)

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Thinking about it what Tormak says makes sense. I'd LIKE for death to have more meaning but how's that gonna happen? The frickin' Player culture as a whole needs to treat it that way.

And no, Phearnun we aren't the power rangers at the Monolith.

Anyway, back on topic I say removing the gold cap on death is more ouch than anything. True perma death: empty server.

Yea, much of it is up to the players. But I will state the obvious anyway. (Fully aware I am derailing the initial topic of this thread, but as it is stupid I do not mind to do so.)

If you play a character who will retreat if he is outnumbered in face of a battle in which he would with certainty lose it adds to the atmosphere. It shows an unwillingness to die instead of standing there ("courageously"/metagamingly) knowing you can be raised afterwards. For instance Robert would flee if 4 buffed banites would attempt to get him in the forest in an ambush. Arwen rode away from the ring wraits. Hence I love the fact Seeamros actually does turn tail if outnumbered and ic I would hardly call him a coward for escaping 6 buffed Paladins. In short: Pulling a Valas is lame.

And, yes, please do not always go right to killing, if the situation allows. Piking a triadic knight ten times as a banite does little to make the conflict interesting. Beating up a triadic knight, extracting information and then handing them over for ransom is much cooler. Though doing that ten-times is also lame, so less quantity of conflict but more quality of it. If the situation is the Eternal Order catching a uber necro on the other hand, a ransom of course is not the correct way to handle it ic, but that should also not be something that happens so often. On Sharina I had a necro stalking me, who I killed five times and he came back always trying to best her. In the end I just avoided the area he was defiling as it got so extremely boring.

I was involved in a fight a while ago, and robert smacked his opponent and then left. He thought ic he was dead, but I told the other player his character is just unconscious and beat up. That was a fight where Robert would have likely killed him and not left him alive. 'Course if battle happens again with that chap, Robert will likely make sure the person is dead and not do the same mistake twice. Also, bar fight and argument at a tavern? Use chairs, mugs and so forth. Do not always just draw steel. Only reason people can get away with such killing sprees is the fact we as a community do not weigh death as more gruesome as assault, so start treating it a little harsher.

On hunts, if your character is killed 5 times and each time I need to raise him, it is boring. Get knocked out please. Bringing a person back 5 times to live is just silly. Finally, I think one reason many do not want to accept consequences is because of the "insult factor". If you defeat the Grand Templar McShiney, the Arch Wizard Grey Beard or the Evil Overlord Baby Eater, recognize their power ic. Robert sure as hell wont insult Seeamros, Valkin or Octavia as weak fools if he ever smacks them, but be glad the battle with the powerful cultist, the great necromancer or the dark lady is over and he is still alive. I am sure Eowyn did not spit upon the big ringwraith and it's beast calling them weak filth after they mauled Theoden. Also, if you win and are wounded allow your character to be out of breath and clench his side. Not drink a heal potion and giggle.

JESUS CHRIST DO THIS ALREADY

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Davion Telemos - Monk of the Four Winds
Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham

Ooh I like this thread........ it's full of honesty and heartache. <3

Make sure you fix the switching between servers thing, first. Just having a policy isn't enough, make it mechanical already.

As well, some way to keep you in Fugue over resets. I know other servers that have been able to do that.

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Happy to do changes if the devs are actually made aware of what changes should be done. Don't shout at the current devs for what the previous ones didn't do, for reason or another.

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I think the idea of a forced perma death sucks for many a reason that been mentioned.

What is nice is when folks actually rp around the death through resurrections and true resurrections, for example aliant (vandel123) ... he's been dead and waiting for the true resurrection for a while now and my hat goes of to him for that. thus instead of just clicking respawn, he's created rp for multiple people.

I get tired of seeing characters die and then mysteriously pop alive again ten minutes later through no rp, at least give it a break... maybe a week not playing that character or something.

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I also find myself leaning more to research now like Tuomas ....really hard to do having no spells,magical skills or knowledge. I Didn't Fail, I Just Found Another Way To Do It Wrong offen with massive damage and in that case... I made a WMD...chances are thats better then what I was trying for anyway.

but yes PVP kind of overdone now and that could be for a number of reasons.

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I could live with these changes...

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Daren Sten, High Inquisitor of the Eternal Order of Kelemvor on Amia

Give me my perfect banking system first.

Everyone should be able to live with these changes cuz they're already freakin' rules. But until they get mechanically implemented, some are still going to slide by. DM's aren't on 100% of the time to see when people do this.

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First I just want to say, it was a hypothetical suggestion. If it wasn't worth responding to, you shouldn't have responded to it...though, thanks for responding Yeah, the feasibility of this actually getting done, I recognize, is nonexistant - since you would have to effectively redo the entire server. Hmm...so Tormak says Sorcs are powerbuilt...(turns to look at some sorc builds)

On to responding:



On a curious note, how could this be any less nice without attacking the person behind the idea? The proposed idea itself is being completely rejected and not given any credit. Only thing left to attack would be the person who suggested it.



Ok - had an idea for this. Raise Dead spell functions, but only with the use of a 5,000 gp pearl, as per standard PnP rules. What you do, is make said pearl a very rare loot item...rare like perfect mythals rare. That way, if a PC dies, they're 100 % gone necessarily, but raising someone back from the dead is still friggin' hard. This also encourages one to have more contacts. The Raise Dead spell itself is a huge deal too, as are clerics in general. I guess I should specify this isn't a personal arguement on my side - its an arguement for the sake of arguement. Just pointing out the consequences.



No areas should be 'no PvP'. The concept of a no PvP area still annoys me. Why should location x or y be arbitrarily safe? As per grinding slowing down...is this a bad thing? Is it bad for a PC not to reach lvl 30 over one week? As per your third sentance, yes the server would likely lose all players...mostly because players don't like the idea of losing their PCs involuntarily, since PCs can be though of as a huge investment of time ; ie, both in lvling and in story. I admit players who 'do' prefer forced perma-death are in the minority.



Personal philosophy disagreement here. Life, to some extent, operates on sheer dumb luck. Again, this is just my personal philosophy, but I don't like the idea of NwN being Hollywood. The beaten path is MEANT to be dangerous. Even if you're james bond, one unlucky stray bullet can end you. Just the way it is. Sometimes fortune, totally out of your control, takes it all away from you. Thats life. Yes, even if the character has '5 years of character roleplay'. He can be killed, unluckily, from a nat 1. Just because your'e old/famous/hero doesn't make you immune to blind dumb luck, and in fact, some of the most famous people who die...do so in often mundane ways. Some of the most badass russian snipers in WWII...badass as they were...died to things as simple as mortar shells, land mines, or just getting shot. Being 'awesome' doesn't make you immune in real life. Why should it make you immune in NwN? Unless you want more of a Hollywood feel...not saying which is better, just saying they each have a distinct feel.



And now the true purpose of my post is revealed - I just wanted to see the most powerful class on the server. I'm jking! Yeah, this is a huge problem...3rd edition is not balanced at all. And in a situation where PvP invovles involuntary permadeath, balance is that much more important. Suddenly people will build more sorcs or whatever's good at killing things. Here's the thing, though...if said sorc kills a bunch of PCs...he's gonna get a rep for being pker. And thus, will likely soon get killed him/herself. Its a simple system of - get inloved in pvp, and likely die yourself. Or, keep your head down, and you're (more) likely to survive. I hate how everyone on Amia is a 'badass'. Were only badasses because were invincible. Add real mortality, and being a badass suddenly becomes unpopular real fast. Again, not saying this is good...just saying its a consequence.



You seriously think death will be just as popular if its permenant? Players won't adventure so recklessly. PvP won't be thrownn around so casually. A power-built sorc wont go around killing -15- PCs at time...because it will cause so many others to kill him/her, and the player doesn't want to lose his/her awesome built PC. You can't seriously believe there would still be 87 unique deaths this week if the players behind them knew of the consequences of char death, would you? Unless I'm missing something plainly obvious...

Interesting numbers though.



I should be able to post an idea without being attacked. Attacking the hell out of the idea itself is helpful and constructive. Attacking the person behind it is not. Not a big deal or anything, I don't take anything serious by it. Would just prefer presumptions not be made about my ability to make smart decisions based on a single idea I tentatively post for discussion (not necessarily acceptance).

If I suddenly had the power to make this server abide by this perma-death system, I wouldn't do it, because I'm not sure its the best idea. Thats why I brought it up. To see what others say, and to learn...you know, like discussion boards are meant for.



As per lag, other perma-death servers have to deal with the same issue. Teams on other perma-death servers have had to acknowledge lag and still stick with their decision to make death permenant...recognizing that, as you've pointed out, tons and tons of rp can be wiped out from something as frustrating as a computer crash. Should they also never be allowed to make a decision regarding any online game ever again? As per an IC explanation, best I can come up with personally is that again, combat is not smooth/predicateable...shit happens, natural ones happen, and lag happens. Its life. Not a great justification - I agree that lag still poses a major problem...most players would not find such generalizations comforting.



The majority view held by most players, hence why these servers aren't typically so active. Hence the original suggestion to implement something that makes the 'pill go down' easier - not having to start 'all' over from 1st lvl. As per PCs who die who are less than 5th lvl - come on guys, its not a hard question...you just aren't entitled to starting above 1st lvl if this happens. Obviously you dont get rid of the player...and one can have as many PCs as possible. What allows another PC to come in at a lvl above 1st comes ONLY from a PC that dies who is 7th lvl or higher. (or w/e death penalty you want to implement). So its a PC for PC thing.

But yes...most players, again, hate losing everything due to death period - grief/lag/justified - etc. Hence permadeath is unpopular. But if players could at least not have to start everything over...it might popularize permadeath somewhat.

On this note, someone mentioned voluntary permadeath coming with a strong background behind their new PC as a way, if accepted, to make a non-1st lvl PC - as a way of encouraging permadeath. Problem here (and exists in the original suggestion I threw out there as well) is abuse to simply remake chars. I want a stronger build, and I can get there minus 5 lvls instantly. Its a big problem, sure.



Again, thank you for responding to the all the things that weren't worth responding to. Haha.



Someone killed another PC for having a door shoved in their face? I admit I've yet to see PvP thrown that casually around, but it doesn't suprise me.

Otherwise, I personally think this is the most valuable piece of info in the entire thread. Its a practice I've tried myself, and yes, the more its executed, the better. But something I want to point out - and I'm curious if others feel the same way - it feels harder for me to abide by this when I'm playing an evil or especially zealous character. Ie, other day Arzira (Kossuthian) was told by an Aurilite that if she did not renounce her faith, she would be killed. In front of the idol to Kossuth. Really, Kossuthians and Aurilites don't get along...they do tend to kill each other on sight. Maybe it can be curtailed, but it does feel like evil spawns pvp more regularly...i mean, take two: You're a paladin and you come across a necromancer with a mummy following him around.

That being said when I play good aligned PCs...character death seems much more rare and consequently richer. Just my two cents.

As per Nekhy's knocking out idea...only problem here, again, is how rp is not always conducive to knock-outs. I'm sorry, but if I'm a an evil Kossuthian, and I'm fighting an Aurilite on the top of a mountain, I'm aiming to kill - why wouldn't I? Why would I only knock him out?

Thanks everyone for all the input so far! Apologies - this belonged in gen. discussion, as its more of a 'toss ideas' around thread than a serious request...given that it would, as pointed out, require that the server be entirely redone.

I would only suggest that ad-hom. attacks and going after someone's character be avoided, as they don't contribute anything. Keep the attacks to the ideas, not the people.

Edit: Not saying this to Tormak - to clarify I'm not offended. I'm just setting for future reference in general, and how it applies to everyone. Be reasonable and try to be constructive.

Also, I like the idea of simply forcing PCs to take a 'recess' whenever they're killed.

1) Keeps them from popping back quickly

2) Makes death more meaningful/still something to be avoided

3) Makes adventuring a little scarier

4) Lag is still frustrating...but at least you don't lose a whole character

5) (my favorite) = one extra motive (not saying there aren't motives already) for playing more than one PC. Playing extra PCs is encouraged...which I personally like. Granted, some players have the view that one PC is best, for maximum development in rp/etc, so they wouldn't appreciate this as much...

I'd just like to add that people who dont like the permadeath idea because of levels have their head in the wrong place. Its getting killed for some arbitrary, unrealistic reason after youve put time, energy, and emotion into a character to change the world thats the real problem. Losing that source of storyline because someone has the hots for the attack button is BS to people who value RP.

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Solrend Inignus: The Kossuthian cleric who is "hot, but not in that way"
Adin Twitterleaf: Crazy elven trickster.
Isaac Kley: Young gimp of a sorcerer.

O.o Perma-death? You think griefing is bad *NOW*? Just imagine when there's now a rather sizable OOC motivation to "get someone back" for something.

No no; this can only end in tears.

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Could always just add a faitugue effect on people when they get raised.

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I'm still feeling partial to the recess idea...oui, griefing and ooc revenge is a problem.

By the way, can I get a player's Amia award for worst idea ever?

This almost merits it, in all honesty.

But really, that can go for most any idea that involves forced permadeath on a server where a majority of its populace opposes it. Note: not permadeath itself, but the the circumstances under which it is presented.

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If we're gonna loose more gold on deaths, I'd say make the banking system in-game allow you to store gold as well. That would make more sense then carrying around 19 million gold on your person no?

Plus wouldn't that only affect PvE and not PvP?

Except the idea of losing gold, as suggested earlier in the topic, is that it also helps regulate the economy a bit.

Amia's economy is completely absurd as is. Nobody should be forking out over 10 mill for items, so this is yet another gold sink to stop those constant grinders who feel the need to respawn 20 times to score some epic loot's. Which can only be a good thing in my book.

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The rest of your reply is irrelevant. We've thus determined that the idea is bad and no longer needs serious discussion.

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Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham

So can we lock it up to prevent it from destroying snape even more so.

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No they aren't... Rules don't state we must dump another 40k into the trash bin after respawning and the rules also don't say anything about a character having to chill out after being mauled to death. It's all right to just pop back to show your nude bottocks and laugh with your bunghole. Although, the players hate this kind of crap. Literally.



Yar! Although they don't respawn. They unfortunately live through it quite often.

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Daren Sten, High Inquisitor of the Eternal Order of Kelemvor on Amia

Thoughs on:

1) Getting rid of gold cap on death penalty

2) Recess

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As per the former, I don't think it would affect gameplay much at all. Even at lvl 30, one could simply wait to be raised after a reset. Whereas currently players stop worrying about waiting for a raise at lvl 30 and hit the respawn button due to it costing a low amount of gold. Otherwise I don't see much of effect here. Really wouldn't change gameplay much, save for making dying 'inconvenient' when hunting even at lvl 30.

As per the latter, I think it would have more effect...but it would have to invlove restricting raise dead, which goes against cannon lore. You could require 5000 gp pearls and make them rare.

I can imagine some players getting really upset even over recesses though, in some pvp circumstances. Players get mad even now, with no death consequences. So even something like a recess, I aniticipate, would go a long way to making things more agitated.

I personallly like the 24 hour rule - after pvp, regardless of outcome, PCs are supposed to avoid each other for 24 hours, unless its consentual. Also, the victor gets to keep the ground and the loser has to avoid the area in question. Not so much a mechanic as just a server rule. This allows at least forced rest from rp involving the PC you just killed...for at least 24 hours. And at the same time, the losing player can still play his/her PC instantly, he/she just as to take their rp somewhere else, so its not much skin off their back.

Well, I guess those pearls COULD be implemented...



Well, folks have been trying to hint people they've killed not to charge right back to bark comments like "harsie har har! ya cannae beat me, ya babypoos!" and instead lay low and even act like they're hurt, if not physically then mentally.

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Daren Sten, High Inquisitor of the Eternal Order of Kelemvor on Amia

Makes me want to make that 1000+ hp dwarf (he has to be fat), CE, call him Tiny Ivan the Child Eater, and grief Good aligned PCs with arduous pvp and heal potions, only to instantly come back a second time.

On a more serious note, yeah players tend to abide by good sport behavior anyway...but not always. I remember getting really teed off by it a few times. Blew a fighter with dev crit to smitherenes with some isaacs + GR action. Only TWO minutes later I've moved on further north, heading to the dale. I stop and rest...and he shows up in the middle of it and dev crits me. Two friggin minutes 'sigh'

I've also had issues of players doing wierd things. Like after oocly reviving them, they quickly emote shadowy demons coming out of the ground and raising them back from the dead!

Stopping myself short before I break into a rant, making this an actual server rule would be nice...so players can at least tell their persistent assailants "no, you MUST wait 24 hours!"

Unless there is a 24 hour rule I'm unaware of, and have somehow missed...I didn't think there was though.

An increased, uncapped gold penalty only makes sense if the PCs actually have lots of money. If they have converted their money into items or consumables (to be converted back into money or to avoid having to pay for more consumables later on) then they lose pocket change when they respawn.

So in that case, respawning needs to cost them not just that pocket change but any chance at loot for a good while. After all, what the hell is a penniless guy doing taking on an epic boss? Hmm, smells suspicious.

Are you peering into my mind? How did you know that was my favorite Cartoon as a child?
Think I just won leading the faction of Samurai Pizza Cats.

Can I have the big bow on our base replaced by a gigantic magnum that fires members of the War Knights?

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"Do ye know where the Holy-Flamin' Frost-brand Gronk-slayin' Vorpal Hammer o' woundin' an' returnin' an' Shootin'-Lightnin'-out-yer-bum is?"

No matter how much I agree with that (Having been witness to one such incident of idiocy unfairness Godgaming myself), the rules also say that you can't take the hunting grounds from someone by killing them. And that is also a good rule as I have seen often enough.

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Good idea actually, we should remove the bag of holdings as well while we're at it.

I have /one/ character that has more than the forty-thousand loot cap right now, and it's Delia, my paladin. Even Katsumi has like...pocket change. There's something to be said for being broke, other than "it sucks."

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Danika Nefzen: Druid of the Earthmother
Delia Am'Anodel: Paladin of Torm

gold cap removed is fine, but cant say I am a fan of the idea of items, unless they were only say Scrolls and potions, monsters kill you, stomp on your body and smash some of your potions.

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If raising dead PCs etc. should be such a big thing, how about we don't let every street corner fence sell Raise scrolls, we stop calling the Raise scrolls and use those fancy DnD pearl-thingies. (don't blame me for anything wrong, I never player anything DnD related before buying NWN for the sake of Amia) Perhaps death would create some RP to begin a quest back to get a cleric to raise the git who went and died even though the odds were against him/her.

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Daren Sten, High Inquisitor of the Eternal Order of Kelemvor on Amia

A server I used to play on before this one had no raise scrolls you could buy. So ninth lvl + clerics were awesome and highly valued. The lvl cap was also 20 and it took a long time to lvl, so there weren't that many 9+ lvl clerics...and more often then not, they wouldn't be online. Also, rping was super serious...you'd get hammered for asking a cleric with a pm to come raise you.

The penalties for dying were also steep. You always lost all the xp you gained to put you down at the bottem of your lvl. You never went down a lvl, but the closer you were to your next lvl, the more xp you lost - always going back to the bottem of your current lvl.

Finally, there was a forced resess. You went to an area called 'Hell', where you had to break out of with puzzles and imps who torture you with mind games. Basically, it was a PAIN to die.

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Brings me to another point I always wish a server would implement: You die, you go to an 'afterlife', which has its own set of areas and is big/expansive. It could be cool to use the Ghostwalker Campaign to make death its own adventure. Not sure what happens if you die in the afterlife though...just a thought.

I think your problem is that you think of all these cool ideas you've seen elsewhere and try to put them into Amia, without considering Amia as the starting point for new ideas. And that's why almost none of the suggestions you're making here are possible, for one reason or another.

Consider that, please. It's an honest piece of advice given in friendly manner. I think you have a lot of good ideas there, but you need to think them through a bit more.

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Prod me for development-related stuff.

Thank you for the advice. I think you're right.

But have other server done the Ghostwalker thing of inventing an afterlife world a PC can go to after they die? I honestly thought that was original, and 'was' trying to use Amia as a starting point for it.

That Fugue plane you visit when you die (in Amia)...blue, hazy, and mysterious. I've always wanted to explore it ICly and OOCly. It looks like its just begging to be known. But we (as PCs) never see more than just a glimpse of it, because there is nowere for us to go except back to the world of the living.

I suppose some of this is due to FR/lore, I'm honestly a bit in the dark concernening exactly what the Fugue Plane is (hence why I'd be curious // both icly and oocly to explore it).

Look, I'm only speaking from my personal experience, as ONE player - one always wishing there could be more to do in the Fugue Plane than hit the respawn button.

I suppose where you technically go after you die, should be dependant on the deity you worship -- yet we all end up in the Fugue plane as it is. Why not expand it a little?

What's the point? By the lore PCs never remember the fugue plane anyway, and the only things that are story-relevant occur in the land of the living. DMs can break this mold if we so choose, but if we need to for the sake of the story, we'll have our own section of the fugue plane created.

Not really. For 10 days after you die, you stay in the City around the Topaz Spire. Unless someone plans on permakilling their character, no, they don't end up in different places. Not until they really, really die.

As far as expanding Fugue...I'm not sure how I see the need. Of course, it would be fun...maybe get to see a little bit of the town, ghosts floating around, devils trying to barter for souls. But ultimately, again, no one is going to spend much time there. You're either staying or visiting. If you want to RP your PC exploring fugue, just don't play them for a while.

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Yeah, death in Faerun is an amusing little bureaucracy. And Jergal was always better at handling that paperwork than this new emo kid, Kelemvor.

Thought Jergal still handled the paperwork?

As has been expressed before, it has to do with the server culture.

I see much ado about certain behaviors that many of us agree are just detrimental to the RP environment here, but, instead of legislating the server to a crawl, why don't we police ourselves, within the rules?

For example, there's been a couple instances on a server where I and others have experienced seriously immature behavior of some sort or another, and we just stopped acknowledging any RP or PVP related to that behavior, and they either corrected themselves, left, or they got pissed and broke a rule and were tossed.

Rather than throwing down another rule or restriction or whatnot, I think it is up to us as players to maintain an environment that we can all agree as pleasurable.

However, that might also be putting too high of expectations on the player base, so, I don't know.

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Pretty much. I think we should always strive to keep high expectations of ourselves and others, though. We won't get there obviously if we don't even try or have hope.

So its being stated that Amia has about the right level of enforcement in regards to pvp rules and decorum? Again, if I were to go just one step further, I'd suggest a 24-hour no-contact rule following pvp death, subject to consent from both parties.

As per using this to deny someone hunting grounds - Amia has plenty of places to hunt.

Your mother's a kid!

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Daren Sten, High Inquisitor of the Eternal Order of Kelemvor on Amia

According to a couple of things I've read, this kind of seems to be the case. So much so to the point that Jergal seems to be retreating into a kind of beautifully misanthropic silence, even from Kelemvor, busied in a steady flow of death records and soul transportation requests.

I have a great mental image of Jergal as this kind of monstrous-looking old deity that is like the octogenarian in the office that should have retired and gone home two decades ago when AO called in a younger branch manager, yet he lingers, not in an unwelcome way. I actually rather fancied (prior to 4th Ed) that Jergal's quiet desire (and suspected bid) to regain some of his old authority would fail in the face of inaction due to his odd obsessions and would reveal to Jergal a final secret about death: that the most inexcusable death is the death of that yet unrealized...a dream, or hope...and that the death of his dreams/hopes would give him a kind of orgasmic/cosmic epiphany and Jergal would then die as a god, satisfied that he had seen all the death that needed to be seen save his own.

Yes, I know this is a little off-topic, but I think Jergal is supercool.

Never really thought of gods as being so philosophical, let alone ones to die from such a revelation. Only thing I can think of that comes close IMO, is the trap Leira laid out of Oghma.
Personally I've always seen Jergal as more of an office worker who was extremely dedicated and enjoyed his work. That he was content to have the whole process of death run like a smoothly oiled machinery, without the whole power mongering and "red tape" getting in the way.

Then again, what little I know about Jergal was from reading about Kelemvor and Myrkul.