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What do you define object btw? Tileset or ... Things? Like crates or a sign?
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PaladinOfSune
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Posted: Wed, Jan 26 2011, 2:19 AM |
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Tileset.
Crates and junk like that don't break LoS, yeah, and people can hear you just fine behind them. If they can do it with the increased DC, at least.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Wed, Jan 26 2011, 2:21 AM |
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...yet the Nwnwiki says otherwise... *Squints eyes, and looks suspicious*
Gonna have to sleep on this.
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Wed, Jan 26 2011, 2:36 AM |
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Ahhh good points.
Yes, I was fairly certain that the midrange Hide/MS I am able to attain is not the best, but it is enough to get around the average PC's checks.
This is also why I have been sort of reconsidering my build for Tyrus... however I wouldn't even know where to start with replacing the Rogue 4/SD 10 levels. Really, I'm starting to wonder how beneficial even HiPS is to his concept. Darkvision, Improved Evasion, and Defensive Roll are all well and good... but I dunno if I can reasonably accept them as opposed to other possibilities.
I mean, there's always the Fighter 21/WM 7/Rogue 2 that could be pulled off and just forgo sneaking...
Course, even with a rebuild, to change his levels from SD to something else might require more RP based reasoning than I have at the moment... beh.
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Zinovy
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Posted: Wed, Jan 26 2011, 4:37 AM |
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PaladinOfSune wrote: Very_Svensk wrote: Listen can hear people around corners, which makes the OP hiding person visible and "Transparent" to the listener. False. If you're out of line of sight, Spot or Listen does not work. I don't want to draw out this argument here where it's off-topic, but I have definitely, in the past (albeit on another server - but this is about BioWare scripts, not Amia-specific ones) been able to hear around corners. What happened is that the stealthed character blipped on my screen transparent, then stayed for about 6 seconds. Basically, each round, the image either appeared, stayed, or faded. This was in an afk situation so I don't imagine this coming into play much in combat situations. As for the SD vs WM builds, well... They're hugely different in playstyle, so you kind of have to go with what you want to play, and maybe make a new character if a rebuild would make him completely different than he currently is.
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Wed, Jan 26 2011, 4:44 AM |
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Zinovy wrote: As for the SD vs WM builds, well... They're hugely different in playstyle, so you kind of have to go with what you want to play, and maybe make a new character if a rebuild would make him completely different than he currently is. Oh yes, I definitely agree. I would never change a character in ways that would make him/her completely different. That's what rolling new charas is for =D It was more of me musing aloud (textually?) than anything else, haha.
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PaladinOfSune
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Posted: Wed, Jan 26 2011, 4:46 AM |
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Well, just bear in mind Listen can't do anything True Seeing can't do, and breaking LoS via tileset messes up True Seeing.
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Uberuce
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Posted: Wed, Jan 26 2011, 11:47 AM |
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PaladinOfSune wrote: And I'm saying that from years of playing sneaker PCs. Back when I used to play with Uberuce, I used to be able to hide from him all the time if I was behind an object, despite the fact his Listen was higher than my MS. I'm not talking for a few seconds, I'm talking like half an hour. Was that when I had my Listen spells/song running? I did have a maxed Listen 'set for Ruce, but I virtually never wore it, so he'd presumably be on low 60's most of the time with just song. I very distinctly remember Frank(who is a Listener) duffing up a no-detect SD because of that low wall by Wiltun's sparring pit; he ran round it when the SD HiPSed, hit Stealth and waited for the SD to pop up, which he did over the wall, then he walked up and choppychopped him.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Wed, Jan 26 2011, 19:03 PM |
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I still believe listen works around corners. You see the person as transparent. That's that.
Q - Does Stealthy(The feat) Exist on any Item In-Game?
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Wed, Jan 26 2011, 21:35 PM |
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No and if it did I'd remove it.
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ainjyll
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Posted: Wed, Jan 26 2011, 23:29 PM |
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Naivatkal wrote: I mean, there's always the Fighter 21/WM 7/Rogue 2 that could be pulled off and just forgo sneaking...
Course, even with a rebuild, to change his levels from SD to something else might require more RP based reasoning than I have at the moment... beh. I've been having a good time with a Rogue 17/WM 7/SD 6. _________________  "I once took the high road and it took me straight to hell and I stood there all by myself." -Hank III
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Thu, Jan 27 2011, 1:10 AM |
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ainjyll wrote: Naivatkal wrote: I mean, there's always the Fighter 21/WM 7/Rogue 2 that could be pulled off and just forgo sneaking...
Course, even with a rebuild, to change his levels from SD to something else might require more RP based reasoning than I have at the moment... beh. I've been having a good time with a Rogue 17/WM 7/SD 6. That does sound like a rather nice build. What weapon are you using with it? My other issue is cramming Dev Crit into a build. Easy as pie with Fighter 16/Rogue 4/SD 10 lol I had considered Ranger, for the Dual Wield... but I cannot justify Tyrus having Ranger in his build... at least I don't think so lol Mm dual wield with bastard sword.
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PaladinOfSune
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Posted: Thu, Jan 27 2011, 1:11 AM |
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Rogue heavy WM builds are Dexterity users. Pure WM heavy builds are Strength users.
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Thu, Jan 27 2011, 1:13 AM |
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PaladinOfSune wrote: Rogue heavy WM builds are Dexterity users. Pure WM heavy builds are Strength users. Aye, o'course. What's the stopping points on WM again? 1/5/7/13/etc right?
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PaladinOfSune
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Posted: Thu, Jan 27 2011, 1:16 AM |
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5, 7 or 16. 19 is possible but largely not worth what you give up.
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Thu, Jan 27 2011, 1:21 AM |
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Ahh gotcha. Why not 13 vs 16?
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PaladinOfSune
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Posted: Thu, Jan 27 2011, 1:30 AM |
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It's not worth the investment from 7 > 13 WM. You get one AB and one feat. If they went into fighter you'd have gotten three feats, one of which could go into Epic Prowess anyway.
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ainjyll
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Posted: Thu, Jan 27 2011, 1:30 AM |
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Naivatkal wrote: ainjyll wrote: I've been having a good time with a Rogue 17/WM 7/SD 6. That does sound like a rather nice build. What weapon are you using with it? Dual-wielding handaxes. _________________ "I once took the high road and it took me straight to hell and I stood there all by myself." -Hank III
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Ulir
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Posted: Thu, Jan 27 2011, 2:01 AM |
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Hmm, what would you suggest. 15 umd or 20 umd? Not above nor below that value. Being a sorc, I can wield scrolls and wands and got gear without unpleasant restrictions.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Thu, Jan 27 2011, 2:22 AM |
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20.
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Thu, Jan 27 2011, 2:25 AM |
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PaladinOfSune wrote: It's not worth the investment from 7 > 13 WM. You get one AB and one feat. If they went into fighter you'd have gotten three feats, one of which could go into Epic Prowess anyway. Ahh, good point! ainjyll wrote: Dual-wielding handaxes. Interesting, I've never given much thought to them.
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Ulir
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Posted: Thu, Jan 27 2011, 2:29 AM |
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TormakSaber wrote: 20. Thanks _________________
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Thu, Jan 27 2011, 18:53 PM |
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Here's a question about not being able to have the cake and eat it.
What's worth the most - 18 Assassin levels (DEX BASED) or 4 attacks per round?
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Uberuce
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Posted: Thu, Jan 27 2011, 20:18 PM |
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4 Attacks by a mile; NWN makes all the strikes in the first Death Attack flurry the Paralysis kind, and that extra one goes there. +1AB too, assuming equal Great DEX.
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Very_Svensk
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Posted: Thu, Jan 27 2011, 20:19 PM |
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Uberuce wrote: 4 Attacks by a mile; NWN makes all the strikes in the first Death Attack flurry the Paralysis kind, and that extra one goes there. +1AB too, assuming equal Great DEX. Then technically the best Death attack users are Monks with Imp.TWF since that qualifies for 7 attacks, 3 in the first flurry
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Thu, Jan 27 2011, 22:03 PM |
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Its actually Monks with Circle Kick. Hit a DA from stealth successfully circle kick will DA another creature during the first flurry. Its the only good use of Circle Kick that I've found xD.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Fri, Jan 28 2011, 20:41 PM |
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Another case of keeping cake vs eating cake.
14STR or 14CON? On a D6 Class. Figured that i'd either be a little more resilient or a little less encumbered.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Fri, Jan 28 2011, 20:43 PM |
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The cynic in me says you can run a 6 STR character and never have encumbrance problems due to bags of holding, as long as said 6 STR character doesn't happen to enjoy full plate and tower shields.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Fri, Jan 28 2011, 20:49 PM |
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Hehe... Hehe... But all the micro-managing with those bags would be a nightmare. 40+ Bags with different mumbo jumbo in each.
Still ... To have some extra HP As a buffer is important, Too. Especially on a char that rolls D6 for HP.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Fri, Jan 28 2011, 20:51 PM |
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We can't help you if yuo keep being completely vague.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Fri, Jan 28 2011, 21:19 PM |
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It's really simple - What would you value the most on a Dex based Sneaker? Some More carry capacity or Some more Endurance?
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Fri, Jan 28 2011, 21:50 PM |
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TormakSaber wrote: The cynic in me says you can run a 6 STR character and never have encumbrance problems due to bags of holding, as long as said 6 STR character doesn't happen to enjoy full plate and tower shields.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Fri, Jan 28 2011, 22:04 PM |
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I ran my Sneaker with 14str and 10con and never encountered a problem with low hp because my dex based AC with a large shield and epic dodge. Well yeah you get the point. Maxed out his strength, dex, con scores aswell fairly easily.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Fri, Jan 28 2011, 22:09 PM |
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Mostly worried of the ...Say Abyss Witches that throw searing light at people. Or overall any spells you encounter.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Fri, Jan 28 2011, 22:16 PM |
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You have UMD and access to a shop if searing light is doing any damage to you, you aren't doing it right.
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Posted: Fri, Jan 28 2011, 22:55 PM |
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TormakSaber wrote: TormakSaber wrote: The cynic in me says you can run a 6 STR character and never have encumbrance problems due to bags of holding, as long as said 6 STR character doesn't happen to enjoy full plate and tower shields. It's true!
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Fri, Jan 28 2011, 23:26 PM |
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Im going with more HP than STR. Figured i want to survive a fireball or two.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Fri, Jan 28 2011, 23:30 PM |
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Reflex based builds generally have evasion and improved evasion. . .
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Sat, Jan 29 2011, 1:08 AM |
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Very_Svensk wrote: Hehe... Hehe... But all the micro-managing with those bags would be a nightmare. 40+ Bags with different mumbo jumbo in each. I micromanage the heck out of Tyrus, lol He has a bunch of the Spider Silk bags, seven or eight I think, and they are each devoted to something different. And he already has 26 STR with items XD
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Sat, Jan 29 2011, 11:21 AM |
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Issue is that with a heavy sneaker (Really heavy) You'll burn most of your Gear points into hide/MS and maxing out fortitude. Then you'll boost the DEX to +10. Now you're already quite low on the Gear-score.
Now I prefer to have a HP Buffet in case things go wrong, and that means you'll have even less space in your gear.
See my issue? :S
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Sat, Jan 29 2011, 12:50 PM |
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No because I don't know the build, all I know is alot of Assassin. If your a corner sneak your better of sitting your Hide on 70 - 90 and not worrying about MS because you can just use Silence Scrolls or in FvF have a Cleric/Bard friend cast extended Silence on you. Dedicated spotters will always see you.
I maxed Str/Dex/Con/Fort and a large chunk of Hide with alot of other stuff.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Sat, Jan 29 2011, 13:13 PM |
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I'm fine, Thanks for the help 
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Sun, Jan 30 2011, 0:52 AM |
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I hope you've got epic dodge on this dexer or you've failed already 
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Posted: Sun, Jan 30 2011, 0:54 AM |
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GL trying to get Epic dodge on 18 assassin levels.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Sun, Jan 30 2011, 1:09 AM |
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Wouldn't go 18 Assassin on a dexterity chap. Assassin still works best on Strength based evil characters.
13 Rogue 1 Ranger 16 Assassin is the model I'd use for a dexer. Or maybe 16 Assassin 4 Fighter 10 SD. 4 Fighter for ITWF. Or 9 Monk 5 SD 16 Assassin. Without epic dodge dex characters smell terrible.
As you can see we left the best ability (murder) in the realm of not great building.
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PaladinOfSune
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Posted: Sun, Jan 30 2011, 1:34 AM |
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MoshingChris wrote: maybe 16 Assassin 4 Fighter 10 SD. I'm not sure if that one is possible..  13 Rogue/1 Ranger/16 Assassin has always been the one I'd recommend, but most people insist on taking it with SD anyways. _________________ "Let's unwrite these pages and replace them with our own words."
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Dramatic_Prince
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Posted: Sun, Jan 30 2011, 6:23 AM |
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Very_Svensk wrote: GL trying to get Epic dodge on 18 assassin levels. What is the DC calculation for the new assassin skills? Is it the same as death attack? 10+ Class level + INT Mod _________________ 
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Sun, Jan 30 2011, 8:51 AM |
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Yep.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Sun, Jan 30 2011, 12:17 PM |
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PaladinOfSune wrote: MoshingChris wrote: maybe 16 Assassin 4 Fighter 10 SD. I'm not sure if that one is possible.. 13 Rogue/1 Ranger/16 Assassin has always been the one I'd recommend, but most people insist on taking it with SD anyways. *Ranger 
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Sun, Jan 30 2011, 19:43 PM |
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Not possible either. Need at least 5 ranger pre-Epic to match 8 Hide/MS to qualify for Assasin.
lvl 1 = 4
lvl 2 = 5
lvl 3 = 6
lvl 4 = 7
lvl 5 = 8 skill points.
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