"She sold... baby... to dog... for two pants... and your mother...is she green?"

As much as I generally loathe the phrase "you're doing it wrong," I think it's pretty safe to say if you're RPing in /tells.... you're doing it wrong.

As much as I generally loathe the phrase "you're doing it wrong," I think it's pretty safe to say if you're RPing in /tells.... you're doing it wrong.

welp, then go ahead and delete all of my characters from your mental existence. I scry, send magical messages, grapple with people (which is resolved OOC since it's pnp), use spot to determine characteristics, use heal to determine if someone is healthy or not, use search to see through disguise, use spellcraft to determine what pnp spell is being cast, and ... actually, just go ahead and throw out your dice.

I.E. whispering in someones ear is not going to be overheard realistically until some wizard invents the parabolic microphone..... on the other hand mere low voice conversation within a group is another matter.[/color]

Yups (IMO). Unless you got an ironclad reason your whisper can't be heard by people, it should be in whisper channel, not Tells.

Almost none of that is RPing. It's die rolling, which is wholly OOC.

Edit: I say "almost" because a Sending is sort of kind of RPing, and has no better way to represent it in game than by a /tell.

Grappling is not rp? Spotting is not rp? I mean.... "Spot Check" isn't familiar to you at all? Determining someone's ailment using the heal skill is not RP? Searching for clues is not RP? Determining what spell is being cast is not RP?

What IS RP to you, Liz?

RP is RP. Die rolling is not. I don't know how to make that plainer. If you're having a conversation with someone in /tells, that is RP, which should not take place in /tells. If you're rolling skill checks and describing their results in /tells, that's die rolling. Not RP. And seriously, man, ease back on the hostility a touch, yeah?

Yes sorry, the game does not care about your listen skill lol! Whisper is based off of distance.

I would find it VERY refreshing if anyone rolled listen around me to hear my conversations, I'd gladly give you an answer... though it may be tidbits out of context..... "She sold... baby... to dog... for two pants... and your mother...is she green?"

You can use Tells for cybersex and not tell anyone! It's good for those DM events with lots of people, you get bored so you stand around without actually participating, sending steamy Tells to your mate probably in the same room at the time. And don't worry, you still get a DC.

I really like the idea of sending a tell to the whisperer and rolling a listen!

I'll throw out Drow Hand Sign as well. No one but a drow from the underdark would be able to "see" and understand the sign. As a matter of fact, DHS has different 'dialects' if you will. Each noble house would have a slightly different version. Sort of like a baseball team and their signals, at least that's how I think of it.

I'm pretty sure it can't be used in sunlight since it depends on infra-vision to see it all.

I really don't. It means the sneaker has to announce her presence. The folks being eavesdropped on inevitably will change their RP to accommodate that OOC knowledge. Even if they're not doing it intentionally or maliciously.

So in other words, it's... exactly like every other language in the game. Only the people who would plausibly have knowledge of the language should be able to understand it, yet every other language in the game is required to be spoken in /talk or /whisper channels. I kind of eye-roll at the "privileged" status of drow hand sign. There's simply no chance at all that it would be 100% restricted to Underdark drow, especially given Amia's profusion of Eilistraeens who used to be Underdark drow and have a compelling motive for teaching hand-sign to every surfacer they possibly can, just to screw up the spider-kissers' plans.

It would be even cooler if you worked out what those DHS signals were ahead of time with the people you play with, and simply included them in your actual IG RP. That would be pretty awesome in fact.

Just to say, it's not just about shadowdancers... anyone can hide, rogues can have just as high of a score as SDs, and anyone at all can drop an invis potion. The odds are stacked against sneakers too. So while I'll admit people sneaking down the middle of a road in broad daylight is a bit silly, it's sorta the limitations of the nwn game engine we are working with there. I try to just assume they are hiding behind the random passersby or trade wagons that do not get actually displayed in-game. It's also a shame Bioware didn't bother to make hearing whispers to have anything at all to do with the listen skill. But I don't think if someone does hear the whisker, they are metagaming in any example.

I know 'Improving Amia' is closed, so this is just a question of possibility rather then a suggestion for implementation, but is it possible to add a listen check to hear whispers? Is it hard coded, or could we make a separate widget to requires a listen check of the hearer to display what the person that activated the widget is saying? Whispering seems to be used a lot, so I'd guess that to be a function that would be worth putting time towards.

Using tells for whispering is giving the defender in that situation way too much leeway.

If the things that need to be whispered are so groundbreaking, maybe you should not be saying them out in the public. There are so many ways in-game to not be eavesdropped I don't even understand why it is such an issue.

Nah, the whisper radius is utterly IC, as is the skills and sneaking, and you should be using the Whisper channel if you are whispering. That's pretty much the end of the argument, as far as I am concerned, barring a few very very specific examples.

I think being within the whisper radius IS a legitimate way to hear what is said, being that that is the mechanic available to us in the game we are playing. If someone is hiding, you at least DO get a spot check to find them six times a second, along with a listen check once a second. It's not like there is no protection for the whisperer. Using tells for whispering is giving the defender in that situation way too much leeway.