Also, Dodge should be stricken from the pre-req list because it's not required to take Epic Dodge.

The extra attack can be a normal bonus melee attack (at your full, highest, base attack bonus), or even another spell - that is, spells take 3 seocnds to cast and you can cast 2 in a round.

Well yeah.

The toughest build on Amia, most likely, is the bard/PM/SD, that gets immunities, super AC, epic dodge, HiPS, and shadow jump. But it has no offense. DEX is king of durability.

Epic Dodge does this: The First Successful HIT in a round does not count. If they miss with Attack one and attack two is a 20, they miss.

That simple. It does not add AC, nor take away AB, it simply makes the first HIT on you in a round not hit. So, against multiple attackers, it's less effective, but, one on one... it's VERY effective.

Incorrect.

This feat causes a character to automatically avoid the first successful attack or the first (possibly unsuccessful) attack of opportunity or riposte in a round, not simply the first attack in a round.

its -5AB to your opponent right?

From the NWN Wiki:

This is because a characters 2nd attack is -5 ab less than the first which this feat automatically negates on hit, add this to the fact that the epic dodge build is routinely in expertise mode the fact is you will miss your first successful attack and the rest of your attacks are at -10 AB relative to your main attack.
Couple this with the fact that dex builds have far more inherent AC than str builds and yeah it is not thats not op....much....

Epic Dodge automaticly blocks the first round attack. It doesn't block every creature's first attack, because their attacks would be additional rounds.

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H.T.O

This feat causes a character to automatically avoid the first successful attack or the first (possibly unsuccessful) attack of opportunity or riposte in a round, not simply the first attack in a round.

Occasionally (when combined with parry), epic dodge may be shifted to a different successful attack in the same flurry as the first successful attack. The end result is typically the same, though.

Epic dodge only applies to a character's current target or latest attacker.

Neither of those builds are any good

... Please don't spread around the 'ED = -5 AB' fallacy.

Epic Dodge is not -5 AB to your opponent. It is an incorrect oversimplification. It's been awhile since the actual math was discussed, but I recall it being concluded that a guy with 55 AC and Epic Dodge is harder to hit than the one with 70 AC and no feat.

Fear doesn't render you flat-footed. Epic Dodge also functions always - even when you're asleep or petrified, amusingly enough.

Epic Dodge is not -5 AB to your opponent. It is an incorrect oversimplification. It's been awhile since the actual math was discussed, but I recall it being concluded that a guy with 55 AC and Epic Dodge is harder to hit than the one with 70 AC and no feat.

You can't argue that Epic Dodge is effectively -5 AB and then say that you are not saying that. That's just.. silly.

And you didn't even touch on the scenario I gave you that blows the -5 AB thing out of the water: If you miss your first two attacks and hit on the third... the '-5 AB' is out the window because you didn't get -5 AB on your first two attacks. That only even 'counts' as -5 AB if the first attack hits. That is why saying -5 AB is a oversimplification.

Besides the -5AB is a result of the combat system and not Epic Dodge.

Iif your opponent has Haste, that means he has two attacks at his full BAB, meaning your epic dodge is mathematically useless now.

Except that if we're being entirely objective as you'd prefer, it is still far from useless. :p

It's not mathmatically useless.

Epic dodger ac is roughly 70 (im sure i'm missing an ac or two somehow)

To use your example of a hasted ferocity rage barbarian, his ab with a truestrike potion should be around 64 (again, im sure i missed an ab or two)

Just using those numbers, that's a 30 percent miss chance. But that only works for the first three attacks, every other attack goes down 5 ab. Then you have stuff like bard song, divine shield, and shield ally giving even more ac.

Don't forget the fact if they have Impro Invis on that make them near impossible to hit.

I personally feel that Epic Dodge is good, but not to the level that the old Dev Crit use to be at. There is a lot of disadvantages in going Dex based in general and I think Epic Dodge is one of the few things that help counteract it. You could argue that damage for a Dex based char isn't a problem when you take account of all the potential sneak damage through HIPS or corner sneaking, but as any HIPS or corner sneaker will tell you sneak is far from an Iwin button against anyone player who knows the multitude of ways to counteract hide (Bioware TS from polymorphs, listen/spot builds, AoE magic spam, or the dozens of PM builds out there to name few).

GAH! I knew I was forgetting something. Improved Invis shifts the game squarely into the doger's favor. It might be death of 1000 cuts, but the strength based build 9 times out of 10 will lose.

This is not an agree or disagree matter... This is like saying "2 + 2 = 5". Doesn't matter what you think; you're objectively wrong.

If I have haste or I have ferocity attack, or both, then epic dodge means jack. It is not a -5 AB.

If I am not either hasted or using ferocity attack, it is still not -5 AB, for the example Nai pointed out.

If I am a Monk and my AB is based on 3's instead of 5's, then epic dodge is, again, not equivalent to a -5 AB penalty.

Epic dodge is not the most overpowered feat ever, and it is not -5 AB to your opponent. It doesn't dodge the first attack in a round. It doesn't dodge an attack from every opponent. It dodges one attack per round no matter how many opponents or attacks are flying at you, and it only dodges an attack that would have otherwise hit you, not just the first attack in the round - and if your opponent has Haste, that means he has two attacks at his full BAB, meaning your epic dodge is mathematically useless now.

I think it best to leave it there as further going back over the same points won't advance the topic as clearly some people for whatever reason want to try to argue that epic dodge build isn't in fact as strong as it is.