I've been playing around with the undead summons for a while now and i'm just wondering why the death domain summons are so strong compared to what the arcane undead summoners are pulling out. It would be nice if IMO, the discrepancies between the two could be narrowed somewhat or if the arcane casters could gain access to them because they are truly packing as far as summons go. Some might say that "you have to give up a whole domain to get it" but in reality, you get a giant boon in that you never have to actually memorize a summon spell nor take an epic summon feat (unless you want to) and it lasts 24 hours from day one.

On the subject of undead summons, could we perhaps take a different direction with them? For example, making animate undead summon coporal undead mainly like your ghouls, skeleton warriors (i'd love to be able to summon a skeleton as an arcane caster but nothing seems to give you access to one) and it could scale up to low epic or something while the create undead lines could be reserved for your incorporal undead.

Pending some things, I'm going to actually do all the undead summons. They all blow chunks

Granted I'm playing my first Palemaster, and this server has it's own little changes to things, but I gotta say....he doesn't suck. I'd say the starter Morhg is about on par with the starter Negative Energy Avatar(Velsharoon).

The Negative Energy Avatar (Death Domain summon) at level 27 used to be awesome, not so much now. Atleast, no where near as awesome as its Neutral/Good/Kelemvor/Outsider counterpart.

I'd assume that the tradeoff is that the Outsider one does not have the undead immunities.

Actually there is an issue with the last summon. I will fix it.

What happens when you turn a formerly medium humanoid into a large humanoid?

It's shirt rips off, while its pants inexplicably remain to cover the naughty bits.
Also, it turns green and loses the ability to speak in complete sentences.

Well, the Undead one used to crit for in the 200's, now it goes between 130-150 maximum. Also, now you cannot cast Magic Vestment on it either, because you removed the armour, therefore it now has less AC. It has always had 2 attacks per round and 47-48AB cleric buffed, the Outsider one has the same AB, More AC, A tiny bit less health, 4 attacks per round, and crits 130-180. The undead one can not solo Fire giants, the Outsider one can.

I'll take it if you don't want it.

I'd assume that the tradeoff is that the Outsider one does not have the undead immunities.

All that as well as all the other cleric boons? My Palemaster is dying of jealousy...

Seeing as improving the caster level of spells is no good how about doing something with the familiar? Instead of summoning a familiar, it could give access to a PM-specific undead summon; improving based on sorc/wiz/PM levels. Or at least let the Familiar improve with levels taken in PM?

Wait, we're playing the hint game again? Is it a peregrine falcon?

Actually you summon a naked dude from the future.

Is this being tailor built to fit Svensk or something?

Wait, we're playing the hint game again? Is it a peregrine falcon?

A little birdie tells me the next hak update may include new familiars....

Just a question. Are the summons of epic PM hard to banish? Because currently my mummy dust is harder to banish than my greater undead. Which is very annoying considering greater undead has more lvls than mummy dust. (I hope I recall right, will check in a moment.)

Either it is harder to banish (mummy dust) or I am having epic bad luck with my greater undead feat when it comes to others banishing it

And why should it be the best undead summon in the game? You're taking levels in a class that gives you the best immunity in the game one level after the summon is given, at the expense of a mere 3 levels in a casting class and comparing it to something you need 17 caster levels, 15 spellcraft, and an epic feat for.

I fail to see how the PM summon should be stronger.