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| Author: | alamut [ Wed, Jun 08 2011, 0:09 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Lang convert |
Could anyone please point me a language convert for DnD ? I've found this one bellow, but I'm not sure if a few words in celestial actually match. They look weird. Appreciate any help. http://www.tilansia.com/langconvert.php |
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| Author: | ZoltanTheRed [ Wed, Jun 08 2011, 0:25 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
In my experience its easier to go "[Language] Hello" than it is to use a converter, because that way, anyone you talk to who knows the language won't be all "Whats that mean?"(And you won't have to retype it in English if you just do it the simple way  )(Edited to make more sense. No idea how I bogged that one up.) |
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| Author: | alamut [ Wed, Jun 08 2011, 0:31 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
Well actually I'm trying to create a name related to a DnD language, in this case, Celestial. For example, righteous in celestial would be like what ?
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| Author: | Gers [ Wed, Jun 08 2011, 0:37 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
A lot of people seem to use Latin as Celestial. However, I don't think there's an "official" celestial lexicon as there seems to be with drow, so I think you're on your own with that. |
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| Author: | ainjyll [ Wed, Jun 08 2011, 0:39 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
The issue is, unless someone is familiar with the same translator as you use, they probably won't pick up on it at all and in all reality, it's all just gibberish anyways. So, keeping all that in mind, I'd do a little research into the names of major celestial characters from canon sources and see if you can find a common trend with them. |
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| Author: | alamut [ Wed, Jun 08 2011, 0:40 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
That makes sense, thanks. |
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| Author: | Lutra [ Wed, Jun 08 2011, 1:34 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
Use latin man! That is the best for celestial. Though in this case your name would be either "pulchrum" or "iustium"
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| Author: | MoshingChris [ Wed, Jun 08 2011, 1:37 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
Some names of celestial paragons from canon material Quote: Barachiel, the Messenger, Domiel, the Mercy-Bringer, Erathaol, the Seer, Pistis Sophia, the Ascetic, Raziel, the Crusader, Sealtiel, the Defender, and Zaphkiel, the Watcher. Very much in the Christo-Judaic thematic so latin would be appropriate or middle Aramaic. |
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| Author: | Grymia [ Wed, Jun 08 2011, 2:04 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
I like Latin for Celestial myself anyway.. it feels right, IMHO (plus yes there is canonical use of it, like Moshing pointed out) |
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| Author: | Dark Immolation [ Wed, Jun 08 2011, 2:32 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
Gers wrote: A lot of people seem to use Latin as Celestial. Victoria tua est! |
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| Author: | Yossarin [ Wed, Jun 08 2011, 3:31 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
Netherese = Latin Celestial = Enochian |
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| Author: | Grymia [ Wed, Jun 08 2011, 3:36 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
Enochian? |
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| Author: | Yossarin [ Wed, Jun 08 2011, 3:40 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
Google first. Ask questions later. |
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| Author: | Grymia [ Wed, Jun 08 2011, 3:41 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
Righto, Googling now. |
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| Author: | Gunz [ Wed, Jun 08 2011, 3:50 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
I'd go with Aramaic or Hebrew, instead of Latin, personally. Hell, even Greek maybe. But whatever works and whatever you like is what you should go with. 
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| Author: | Valve [ Wed, Jun 08 2011, 3:53 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
Quote: Enochian is a name often applied to an occult or angelic language recorded in the private journals of John Dee and his seer Edward Kelley in the late 16th century. The men claimed that it was revealed to them by angels. Quoted because everything on Wikipedia is as true as the bible.
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| Author: | Shrewd [ Wed, Jun 08 2011, 3:54 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
Just please don't do this: "(Drow) ..." |
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| Author: | Lutra [ Wed, Jun 08 2011, 10:27 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
Yossarin wrote: Celestial = Enochian That is actually a good idea. |
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| Author: | Dark Immolation [ Wed, Jun 08 2011, 11:34 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
I imagine that works, but then I'd have to convert all my battle cries to yet another language. Meh. But in truth, I aways thought Thorass would be Latin. It's the direct ancestor of Common and many, many human regional languages. Like Latin and the Romance Languages. |
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| Author: | IronAngel [ Wed, Jun 08 2011, 12:32 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
The names Mosh cited certainly sound Semitic. So as GuNz said, Aramaic or Hewbrew might work. I use Latin for priestly spells, but I make no assumption that it's Celestial. It's just something archaic, maybe Thorass or whatever. Most people know some Latin, so a Semitic language would be more exotic, too. I don't really want to be reminded of my homework when I RP.
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| Author: | Silvarus [ Wed, Jun 08 2011, 19:20 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
I use latin because it sounds right, but due to certain reasons I am fine with retconning the latin Gagis uses to Netherese as well. 
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| Author: | Lutra [ Wed, Jun 08 2011, 21:42 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
Netherese would be like ancient Greek or Egyptian perhaps? The story of Netheril meets with the story of Atlantis at some point according to Plato's Timaios and Kritias. |
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| Author: | Silvarus [ Wed, Jun 08 2011, 22:27 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
Yus. Latin is a bit modern for an ancient language. Lets keep it as Celestial and keep the others either vaque or start plugging in ancient greek, persian and such. |
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| Author: | kanordog [ Thu, Jun 09 2011, 15:38 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
alamut wrote: Could anyone please point me a language convert for DnD ? I've found this one bellow, but I'm not sure if a few words in celestial actually match. They look weird. Appreciate any help. http://www.tilansia.com/langconvert.php Maybe because they are in English? Only the letters change, like a basic encryption (try: cool wool tool pool)I would go with latin, although the Enochian sounds cooler. Or search for Angel names, must be tons of them or make Your own and put an -el to the end. |
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| Author: | IronAngel [ Thu, Jun 09 2011, 16:04 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
kanordog wrote: I would go with latin, although the Enochian sounds cooler. Or search for Angel names, must be tons of them or make Your own and put an -el to the end. As silly as it may sound, that's why I think Latin is a little unfitting. The names are clearly Semitic, and the -el suffix doesn't go with Latin at all. What such names there are in Latin are direct Biblical loans. And while using one or the other seems fine, mixing them together in exactly the same way as in the real world seems a little unfitting. You can't make an absolute distinction, of course, and you could make the same argument in almost any situation. But this particular case is a little too obvious for my tastes. |
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| Author: | kanordog [ Thu, Jun 09 2011, 16:35 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
IronAngel wrote: kanordog wrote: I would go with latin, although the Enochian sounds cooler. Or search for Angel names, must be tons of them or make Your own and put an -el to the end. As silly as it may sound, that's why I think Latin is a little unfitting. The names are clearly Semitic, and the -el suffix doesn't go with Latin at all. It was an other sentence... I never said make a name from latin than add an -el to it, like Augustusel???I think -el actually comes from hebrew which is Semitic. |
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| Author: | IronAngel [ Thu, Jun 09 2011, 19:54 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
But many of the canon names Mosh quoted already adhere to that silly -el suffix. Barachiel, the Messenger, Domiel, the Mercy-Bringer, Erathaol, the Seer, Pistis Sophia, the Ascetic, Raziel, the Crusader, Sealtiel, the Defender, and Zaphkiel, the Watcher. With the exception of the Greek Pistis Sophia, they all look Semitic (Hewbrew, Phoenician, Aramaic, it's pretty much all the same). |
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| Author: | Silvarus [ Thu, Jun 09 2011, 22:17 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
Problem is, Latin is the only easy obscure language. I call bids for it and Celestial just so I can be awesome! |
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| Author: | Dark Immolation [ Thu, Jun 09 2011, 23:13 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
IronAngel wrote: With the exception of the Greek Pistis Sophia, they all look Semitic (Hewbrew, Phoenician, Aramaic, it's pretty much all the same). Oddly enough, the real world Pistis Sophia is one of the texts I read when developing my angelic character. And she uses Latin, gnostics be damned! But should probably be changing that to Hebrew or Enochian, now that I've even admitted it seemed more like Thorass. :/ |
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| Author: | LastDragonRider [ Fri, Jun 10 2011, 21:31 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
You can try all that, but the best bet for a nice or unique or special name is to take one that refers to something that has meaning to you. Llinyarrii, my Aasimar cleric's name, is from a series of books (different spelling intentional, I used the Welsh proclivity of double consonants in their language) by Anne McCaffery called the Acorna series, these beings are the Linyari, a race of bi-pedals descended from unicorns. Sounded suitably celestial to me... then like my drow is Jjunle d'Vlos (Shadows of Blood), doesn't really matter to me if others get it, I'm the one playing her and -I- know what it means... if you want others to 'get it' then stick with simple and common references... most don't want to work hard to understand a name and won't pick up on if its intended to be special.... if you want a name you'll be proud of and can care less if others 'get it' then go for it... make up one that sounds good, or use a reference that has meaning to you. If you're worried if others will 'get it' or won't then use "Bob" -everyone- gets that, its also boring. |
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| Author: | Silent2001 [ Sat, Jun 11 2011, 11:21 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
Call him Roadhouse |
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| Author: | Feonir [ Sat, Jun 11 2011, 12:33 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
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| Author: | survivor2009 [ Sat, Jun 11 2011, 12:58 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
the suffix -el. means angel, and was only given to angels at first, in the biblical context. |
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| Author: | IronAngel [ Sat, Jun 11 2011, 15:11 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Lang convert |
survivor2009 wrote: the suffix -el. means angel, and was only given to angels at first, in the biblical context. Not true. It's a theophoric element of a name. In ancient cultures, especially in the Middle-East but apparently elsewhere too (I've only studied the former) there was the practice of adding the name of a god to a name, to signify who the person (or his parents, rather) worships and how that god protects the person. The suffix -el simply refers to the god El, or Elohim (plural, as I understand). There are many Biblical people with names that end in -el, and their supposed lives far precede any Jewish/Palestinian angelology. The angels Michael, Gabriel etc. are certainly a newer addition to the tradition than Daniel, Samuel, Elizabeth etc. You will also find Ishbaal in the Bible, though some manuscripts have corrupted it into something else that was insulting, IIRC. The theophoric element of that name is of course Baal (which would look suspicious to later readers once the worship of Baal had stopped, because he was some kind of a king or priest or something). |
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