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Author:  ShadowSoul89 [ Fri, May 13 2011, 14:48 PM ]
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That's right folks, the developers have been hard at work these past few months, and you're about to get a glimpse of the results!

Amian Cleric Domains!

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The team has compiled a list of Amian-specific domains to broaden the roleplaying potential of our divine servants. With these domains will come more spells for clerics to choose from, as well as prayer effects to display your divine patronage! The new domains are as follows:

Balance
Cavern
Chaos
Charm
Cold
Community
Courage
Craft
Darkness
Dragon
Dream
Drow
Dwarf
Elf
Fate
Gnome
Halfling
Hatred
Illusion
Law
Luck
Moon
Nobility
Orc
Portal
Renewal
Repose
Retribution
Rune
Scalykind
Slime
Spell
Time
Trade
Tyranny
Undeath


With these new domain additions, the Bioware default domains will also be receiving minor changes in granted spells. Now, I know what you're thinking...

"Gee Shadow, these are awesome! What's the damn catch..."

Well, now that we have such a large list of domains to choose from... All Clerics will be required to take two of their deity's listed domains.

This will be enforced by a script, but fear not, clerics that have already been created will be able to gain the appropriate domains in the Entry Room. This will also be allowed for clerics who simply want to broaden their abilities through the new domains. Do keep in mind, you can only do this once without a request.

This'll get here when it gets here, so be patient!

Special Thanks To:
PaladinofSune - For compiling relevant domains.
Jehran - Scripting!
Anade_Evriana - Typing the descriptions
MoshingChris - Going through... 3 computers in his attempts to fine tune everything. (love ya :D)

And the rest of the Dev/DM team for discussing and contributing in their own special ways.
Author:  VeeTpl [ Fri, May 13 2011, 14:51 PM ]
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Good stuff! Can't wait to see more.
Author:  Naivatkal [ Fri, May 13 2011, 14:56 PM ]
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Awesome awesome awesom!!!

ShadowSoul89 wrote:
"Gee Shadow, these are awesome! What's the damn catch..."

Well, now that we have such a large list of domains to choose from... All Clerics will be required to take two of their deity's listed domains.

This will be enforced by a script, but fear not, clerics that have already been created will be able to gain the appropriate domains in the Entry Room. This will also be allowed for clerics who simply want to broaden their abilities through the new domains. Do keep in mind, you can only do this once without a request.


Also this. Having a cleric with non-deity domains is just... bad? *nods* That's the word! It's good to see that this is able to be enforced soon :D

( And yup, this comes from a player with two clerics that have domains from their deity only ;D )
Author:  RaveN [ Fri, May 13 2011, 15:00 PM ]
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I'm assuming that the PnP spells aren't given.

Forgotten Realms Wiki - Retribution wrote:
Discern Location
Author:  ShadowSoul89 [ Fri, May 13 2011, 15:01 PM ]
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Nope. The spells are Bioware default, aside from the fact that you can now cast them as clerics. Of course the same rules with PnP spells still apply.
Author:  hendrack [ Fri, May 13 2011, 15:05 PM ]
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Yay, so my main character loses his death domain puppy? Not amused.
Author:  Mobile_Svensk [ Fri, May 13 2011, 15:12 PM ]
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ORC DOMAIN!

Orc, orc, me Orc.
Pork, pork, like pork.
Fork, fork....
GRAAHHH!! Orc need no fork!
That what fingers for!

OORCSS!
Author:  PaladinOfSune [ Fri, May 13 2011, 15:13 PM ]
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hendrack wrote:
Yay, so my main character loses his death domain puppy? Not amused.

Don't be silly. What do you think Repose is granting?
Author:  MoshingChris [ Fri, May 13 2011, 15:14 PM ]
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hendrack wrote:
Yay, so my main character loses his death domain puppy? Not amused.


No Repose Domain (assuming your speaking of Ramas) will substitute with the neutral outsider until I come up with some new summons for it.

That said don't count chickens before hatch hendawg.
Author:  hendrack [ Fri, May 13 2011, 15:16 PM ]
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Quote:
Don't be silly. What do you think Repose is granting?


I don't know every cleric domain.
Author:  Mobile_Svensk [ Fri, May 13 2011, 15:16 PM ]
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Yar! What domain gives what?!
Author:  MoshingChris [ Fri, May 13 2011, 15:19 PM ]
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We've only got technical spreadsheets at the moment so I'll have to say wait and see. ETA on this is done when its done, the warning is just a small one so no-one gets butt hurt when their character can no longer cast spells because their domains don't match.
Author:  Mobile_Svensk [ Fri, May 13 2011, 15:20 PM ]
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I'm safe 8)

Wait ... Im not. He's fallen so it doesn't work anyway.

:evil:
Author:  Mobile_Svensk [ Fri, May 13 2011, 15:25 PM ]
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Wait, No domains for human? PREJUDICE! RACISM!
Author:  Gravemaskin [ Fri, May 13 2011, 15:52 PM ]
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Very_Svensk wrote:
Wait, No domains for human? PREJUDICE! RACISM!

Human domain; See Slime Domain.

Also, I'm insanely happy this is finally going to get enforced!
Author:  Dwagin [ Fri, May 13 2011, 15:53 PM ]
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I'm quite certain most of the evil portions of the Draconic pantheon would gladly turn humans into minority status so that you may have your own racial domain. Please report to the nearest Chromatic lair for subjugation and digestion(If elven, or babies or even better, elven babies.)

Its your own fault for your gods not being racist enough anyway, Look at the elves. Learn. Yes. Good.
Author:  Dramatic_Prince [ Fri, May 13 2011, 15:54 PM ]
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Very_Svensk wrote:
Yar! What domain gives what?!

And what deity gives what domain? :D
Jolly good show~what!
Author:  QPR [ Fri, May 13 2011, 15:56 PM ]
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Sweet!
Author:  PaladinOfSune [ Fri, May 13 2011, 15:59 PM ]
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Dramatic_Prince wrote:
Very_Svensk wrote:
Yar! What domain gives what?!

And what deity gives what domain? :D
Jolly good show~what!

There's too much to list it all right now, but each deity has six available domains. In some cases, they've had appropriate domains added if they didn't possess six in PnP.
Author:  Dramatic_Prince [ Fri, May 13 2011, 16:01 PM ]
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PaladinOfSune wrote:
There's too much to list it all right now, but each deity has six available domains. In some cases, they've had appropriate domains added if they didn't possess six in PnP.

Jolly good show~what!
Any newly scripted spells to boot? A hin can dream can't she? :lol:
Author:  PaladinOfSune [ Fri, May 13 2011, 16:02 PM ]
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No new spells. Some of the special domain abilities are custom scripted, however.
Author:  GreatPigeon [ Fri, May 13 2011, 16:06 PM ]
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I cannot wait to see the list of domains allotted to each diety!
Author:  jimbono1 [ Fri, May 13 2011, 16:13 PM ]
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GreatPigeon wrote:
I cannot wait to see the list of domains allotted to each diety!

Faiths and Pantheons should tell you that.
Author:  dayfer [ Fri, May 13 2011, 16:25 PM ]
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YUS! Pilineth can finaly have Halfling and Protection domain!
Author:  -Cloak-and-Dagger- [ Fri, May 13 2011, 16:29 PM ]
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Nobanion: Animal, Good, Law, Nobility. Strength is already a replacement domain, I guess that will stay. And that the extra one is Community. I've never heard of some of these domains, though. Community domain? Colour me curious.
Author:  Naivatkal [ Fri, May 13 2011, 16:33 PM ]
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How will we be handling clerics that currently have domains that match their deities but want to change to newly offered ones that match them better? Is it going to be a request still or is there going to be a one time only change in domains since there are suddenly new ones?

I'm guessing the former, but I figured I might as well air the question for others that are curious ^_^
Author:  PaladinOfSune [ Fri, May 13 2011, 16:35 PM ]
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-Cloak-and-Dagger- wrote:
Nobanion: Animal, Good, Law, Nobility. Strength is already a replacement domain, I guess that will stay. And that the extra one is Community. I've never heard of some of these domains, though. Community domain? Colour me curious.


http://www.d20srd.org/srd/divine/domains.htm

You'll notice Family is missing, whereas Community is not. Some domains were simply combined into one if they were very similar in spells/concept for the sake of brevity. Storm is another example - it's combined into Air.
Author:  -Cloak-and-Dagger- [ Fri, May 13 2011, 17:37 PM ]
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Huh. Well, look at that. I see lots of PnP spells. But I can guess how it might translate. Charm Person instead of Calm Emotions, maybe. Still, curious as to see how it might end out.

...It's not that I play (or have ever played) a Cleric, mind. But might consider picking up a level or two if theres something fun on the table. Certainly interesting!
Author:  Dark Immolation [ Fri, May 13 2011, 17:59 PM ]
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I know I was a bit uneasy to say we should enforce domains before, but I with these added ones, it will work out okay I'm sure. More choices within the same deities, what have you.

On a sidenote, I shall consider making a cleric of Shaundakul with Portal Domain, named Glados. >_>
Author:  IronAngel [ Fri, May 13 2011, 18:20 PM ]
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:o

I love you guys. This is so wonderful.
Author:  Yossarin [ Fri, May 13 2011, 18:26 PM ]
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Yeah, it is a pretty awesome change. And as far as I am concerned, every cleric PC should have the opportunity to switch things around with this change, whether they actually have to or not, due to new but still applicable domains being offered.
Author:  Estara [ Fri, May 13 2011, 18:34 PM ]
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This looks amazing. I might change Sam's domains even though she already has two domains of her deity!! Thanks, guys :)
Author:  Dark Immolation [ Fri, May 13 2011, 18:38 PM ]
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The question is do we let what each domain presents be known publicly before or after this change. Or at all.

I personally think they should be added to the Amia wiki, but after this whole "free change" period is up and over. That way, if you legitimately think your cleric would be better off with this domain over this other one, you're changing it for RP reasons, not "Sweet, my deity just got a domain that gives Imp Invis, I'm changing!".

I am very interested to see what the domain abilities look like for these domains as well.
Author:  Yossarin [ Fri, May 13 2011, 18:49 PM ]
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I like that idea, even though blindly picking things with mechanical advantages is simply not a fundamental part of the game. I wouldn't subject people to that (especially ourselves as DMs from the resulting lynch mob), but I applaud the notion anyway.
Author:  MaliciousSwine [ Fri, May 13 2011, 19:23 PM ]
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That this coincides with my considerings of making a Cleric so nicely is just... beautiful. Thanks for the pleasant surprise Amia staff! This is exciting. :)
Author:  splat_phastkyl [ Fri, May 13 2011, 19:27 PM ]
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Just curious, will the domain for spells granted be extended to Paladins as well?
Author:  Yashan_Kyoshi [ Fri, May 13 2011, 19:45 PM ]
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Cleric is my all time favorite class with the new domains combined with the deity system already in place; I say AWESOME JOB to the staff that put the work into this.
Author:  hendrack [ Fri, May 13 2011, 19:50 PM ]
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splat_phastkyl wrote:
Just curious, will the domain for spells granted be extended to Paladins as well?


Paladins don't get any domain powers.
Author:  Silvarus [ Fri, May 13 2011, 19:51 PM ]
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YESSSSSSSS!
Author:  Dramatic_Prince [ Fri, May 13 2011, 19:55 PM ]
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Dark Immolation wrote:
The question is do we let what each domain presents be known publicly before or after this change. Or at all.
I personally think they should be added to the Amia wiki, but after this whole "free change" period is up and over. That way, if you legitimately think your cleric would be better off with this domain over this other one, you're changing it for RP reasons, not "Sweet, my deity just got a domain that gives Imp Invis, I'm changing!"

It should be up to the player to decide if he/she wants to chose the domain for RP over mechanical.
Domains are already going to be enforced, which is a step in the right direction.
Forcing people to choose blind, is not.

splat_phastkyl wrote:
Just curious, will the domain for spells granted be extended to Paladins as well?

What's this about? Paladins don't get domains.
Author:  TormakSaber [ Fri, May 13 2011, 20:14 PM ]
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Quote:
It should be up to the player to decide if he/she wants to chose the domain for RP over mechanical.


From: Player on a RP server

Welp

O... also, you should all thank Mosh. This was pretty much his baby from the get-go here.
Author:  MaliciousSwine [ Fri, May 13 2011, 20:23 PM ]
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I think something that would be useful in choosing between domains would be the information in regards to what multiple domains from PnP go into making up the new NWN equivalents.

Also, thanks Mosh this is beastly.
Author:  TormakSaber [ Fri, May 13 2011, 20:27 PM ]
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Not necessary. There will be a list of what domains each deity has.
Author:  Dramatic_Prince [ Fri, May 13 2011, 20:41 PM ]
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True Fact: RP server is also a build oriented server.
All the cards have to be laid out for a level playing field.
High powered domains will remain highly subscribed.
Low powered domains will remain lowly subscribed.
Author:  Ðraco [ Fri, May 13 2011, 20:41 PM ]
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I don't play nor will I ever play a cleric but this is an awesome change, well done guys, especially Mosh :mrgreen:
Author:  hendrack [ Fri, May 13 2011, 20:42 PM ]
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TormakSaber wrote:
O... also, you should all thank Mosh. This was pretty much his baby from the get-go here.


True, despite my initial unfiltered gut-response, the server needs this. Kudos.
Author:  Mobile_Svensk [ Fri, May 13 2011, 20:47 PM ]
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Dramatic_Prince wrote:
True Fact: RP server is also a build oriented server.
All the cards have to be laid out for a level playing field.
High powered domains will remain highly subscribed.
Low powered domains will remain lowly subscribed.


Yep. And the solution is for the Developers to balance all domains equally.
And they sure need the Luck domain for that :mrgreen:
Author:  Dwagin [ Fri, May 13 2011, 21:00 PM ]
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Dramatic_Prince wrote:
It should be up to the player to decide if he/she wants to chose the domain for RP over mechanical. Domains are already going to be enforced, which is a step in the right direction.

Forcing people to choose blind, is not.


I'm pretty certain the launch of this system is saying that "No, in fact it is not up to the player." Either your character follows their god because they follow the god's with faith or belief in their divine edict and purpose, or they follow that belief because its convenient for your build. I also fail to see how you say both 'It should be up to the players!' but.. 'This is a step in the right direction!' ..Conflict much?

Dramatic_Prince wrote:
True Fact: RP server is also a build oriented server.
All the cards have to be laid out for a level playing field.
High powered domains will remain highly subscribed.
Low powered domains will remain lowly subscribed.


It's a RP server. There's nothing wrong with not wanting your character to suck and doing the best with the pieces your concept has available to it and asking for help if you're not good at doing that.

You also make the assumption that the people balancing these domains are r-tards or something. They're being redone, one would think that in doing so that this would be done with balance in mind.. and maybe they will perchance ...balance things out?


Svensk wrote:
Yep. And the solution is for the Developers to balance all domains equally.
And they sure need the Luck domain for that


There's no such thing as perfect balance without everything being the same. But there's close enough, something which the current system has shown it isn't.
Author:  oshizo2 [ Fri, May 13 2011, 21:18 PM ]
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this is a welcome change. always hoped this would happen so my cleric of laduguer could get a domain that doesn't have charisma modifier.
Author:  IronAngel [ Fri, May 13 2011, 21:29 PM ]
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You're reading too much into Dramatic's posts. The topic is blind choosing, which Dark Immolation tossed out there as a cool idea, and Yossarin liked but correctly noted that it's not in line with the idea of the game. Seems to me all Dramatic is saying is that the mechanical details should be known. Which is absolutely common sense in a game like this and the only possible solution towards fair play. And it's going to happen too, nobody's said anything to the contrary. So there's no problem.
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