If you're standing around invisible in a dungeon with your thumb up your ass... AFK, eating cheetoos, watching porn, or whatever... hey, no big deal. It happens. People might be waiting for other people, or holding off for a respawn, or maybe they're AFK for some reason.

But - if you're that person - and someone passes you because they can't see you and have no idea you're there, don't be a prick about it. Not everyone walks around with true-seeing on 24/7. Send them a *polite* pm (and, here's the key I think some people miss... the polite part) and they'll be polite back, apologize, wish you luck, and leave. But if you're a self-righteous and demanding tool...

...well, they'll still leave, but they'll probably remember you and think nasty thoughts about you.

This seems to relate to a specific incident.
Amia policy is to take this up with a DM (preferably with screenies as proof) and handle it further that way.

Yes, politeness can be lost some times but it won't be remedied with indirect mud. Confronting the person or the authorities is always the way to get results.

I see nothing specific mentioned except for people being rude.

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Khaldun Menetnashte Khalfani
Victor Wilkinson

^totally not a lie or anything.

If this were about a specific incident, it wouldn't be a big deal and nothing that warrants a DM speaking to them, or any further interaction other than what might already have occurred.

This is just a general reminder, since this sort of thing happens from time to time, and when it does the quality of the responses tend to be, let us say, more of a demanding, prickish nature... despite the fact that standing around invisible or hiding-in-shadows is what led to someone passing them in the first place.

And, this goes for people running by you in general, even if you're not invisible.

While most of us are trained to hit the tab key periodically (and that helps), it's still easy to miss someone standing off to the side on a dark tile-set when you've got the screen angled a particular way, or you've got it scrolled too far in (or too far out.)

People aren't intentionally trying to pass you; they just couldn't see you. If you inform them, and ask them to leave, they will.

But if you ask politely, and without being a prick, they'll leave in a better mood, and without thinking dark thoughts about you.

I dunno...but I think generally being polite about things is a general rule for ALL interactions myself.

Rarely have I found the need to start off the convo rudely...though it will get there sometimes.

I have a personal incident that started off the other player was pissed, rude and understandably so given their starting point...i believe that because I kept my cool, was polite and spend the extra time to actually talk, rather then simply react, it actually ended up fine.

Manners...good ones at least...never really go out of style regardless of who or what you are doing.

Many times we end up feeling this little thing known as the internet somehow gives us a shield so we can be a bit more...prickish....in nature...well...maybe...but I think not.

Its not hard to track someone down over the internet...to the very chair they as sitting in.

Anyway, I agree...polite is the best policy but on all interactions unless the RP dictates otherwise (and then make sure all concerned know its RP not OOC)

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Ya see, long time ago, me father taught me somethin that be right true.
An amateur practices until they get it right. A professional practices till they can't get it wrong.
Dwarves are professionals at what we do.

It's pretty amazing, the way twerpish way people act on the internet. People on the internet often talk in a way they never would to my face. I guess because my face is attached to a head, and that head shares a body with two fists. And one sometimes holds a gun.

I don't... Know how fruitful this thread is, but... I do agree it'd be nice if people were generally nice and considerate on Amia, but if that can actually happen, we'd all be living in Utopia.

I will say that nothing is more irritating than getting a party together, taking like an hour to get to the said destination as you RP on the way, and you have a regular boss farmer who's already there going "Well I was here first".

I know you and unless this is one of those rare occasions where going to the dungeon was an RP session extravaganza, you'd be back to go to the same dungeon to farm anyway. Probably sometime in the same day. Just let pricks be pricks and come back another time, I say. Yelling at them to be nice never worked for me or anyone else I know.

It's just not really worth arguing with them over.

That made me elohel hard. And not in a good sort of way.

Internet badassery at it's finest.

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Whomst've'll'd'mn't I play:
Salema Nefahri :: A penny for your thots
Zrae'a'stra'fryn :: That which nightmares are made of
Khasir :: From the East a storm is coming

Oh, in this theoretical situation, I wouldn't be bothered by a person being there, or even asking if I'd leave... even if they were just sitting there with their thumb seemingly up their tail-pipe initially (and, even if they were STILL in the first quarter of the first level fourty minutes later, painfully soloing, probably with lots of waiting around to rest time.) I frequently yield dungeons to parties, and I've gotten passed more than once while invisible, and didn't bother to say anything. None of that bothers me. I mean, if they're there first, they're there first. No big deal.

What bothers me is when people create the problem they end up complaining about, and who indignantly COMMAND me to leave, while I am in the process of doing so, and then say, "Understood?" ... as if they're allowed to command or condescend to me here because I can't immediately jump through the screen and stomp their ass. Maybe it's because they don't have to look me in the eye here, where the subtle certainty of an impending retribution lurks anytime anyone even considers being a tool to me.

Nothing more needs to be said on this. Just know, if I ever pass any of you in a dungeon, I didn't do it on purpose. Just page me and tell me I missed you standing there, for whatever reason, and I'll happily leave. Just don't be a shit about it, or I'll feel the overwhelming urge to tell jokes about your mother.

I was trying to display some ironic humor.
...but really.

Fist. Gun.

Good? Bad? You're the guy with the fists and gun?

(I know that :3 Let's all have fun now lol)

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Whomst've'll'd'mn't I play:
Salema Nefahri :: A penny for your thots
Zrae'a'stra'fryn :: That which nightmares are made of
Khasir :: From the East a storm is coming

You semi-quoted Army of Darkness. You're my new hero for the day.

Fine, you to play with your fists and guns...

Me, I am that bush, up on the hill, with the rifle and scope, my partner has the nice range finder...*wink*

Now, depending on how much collateral damage is acceptable...it can be a nice round or three, depending on number of targets (one per mind you), or an air strike of B-52s with cluster bombs...

Shall we play a game?

(Yes, old snipers never die...they train new ones so they can retire while ensuring the enemy still does. heh)

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Ya see, long time ago, me father taught me somethin that be right true.
An amateur practices until they get it right. A professional practices till they can't get it wrong.
Dwarves are professionals at what we do.

You remind me of someone I know.

Real snipers don't need partners.

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Aly'dra Zau'ana: Priestessish Of Eilistraee
Danika Nefzen: Druid of the Earthmother
Delia Am'Anodel: Paladin of Torm

Need..no..but spotters are nice to have...*wink*

Widely known comment as seen on many posters...

CNN reporter asked a Marine Corp Sniper what he felt when he killed a terrorist.

His reply, "Recoil."

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Ya see, long time ago, me father taught me somethin that be right true.
An amateur practices until they get it right. A professional practices till they can't get it wrong.
Dwarves are professionals at what we do.

Theres a certain degree of Irony about the OP given what I witnessed last night in the Yuan-ti from the OP.

Just because you do it during the dead play hours don't think no-one is watching.

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I play: Gage le Gris
Socially and recently politically Inept Knight of Xymor

That is making me incredibly self-conscious for actively RPing with nobody else around, hahah. Now I'll feel watched all the time. On topic, you'd think everyone would have the common courtesy to treat others as they'd like to be treated, which extends from RP situations into dungeon trawls / groups as well.

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Hikriss | Rak'chall | Vincent Gwendale

I assume there is someone watching me all the time, and hey, guess what guy... I don't care, because I'm never doing anything wrong. This isn't a "Gee, ya got me! OMG, you're putting my in my place! Touche!" moment. If I were doing anything wrong by standing there, thumb firmly entrenched in my rectum, waiting for a boss that cowered THREE TIMES IN A ROW to actually appear, I'm guessing someone would have said something at the time. But since they didn't, and still haven't, I guess I wasn't... and this is just one of those moments where someone's just trying to show a little superiority by letting me know they're doing something I already assume they're doing all the time. Congratulations... you have been successful.

Anyone following me around gets to witness hours of boring repeated boss-hunting and navel-gazing while I trail around behind other slower people, waiting for the respawns in their wake. Maybe they get to witness me stalking newbies in dungeons, judging the likelihood they're going to wipe or teleport out before they get to the boss, thereby freeing me up for the final kill. Anyone wanting to display the marginal degrees by which their life is sadder than mine by vicariously partaking in the droll doldrum of my hunting rituals, for however brief a moment, feel free to hop on the train headed towards repetitive boredom and follow me as I port around Amia, blowing massive numbers of potions and mythals... only to have 1) one out of three bosses cowering away, 2) the majority of kills yielding absolutely no reward except the satisfaction of not dying, 3) the remaining 5% dropping sure/true/war-forged weapons I don't need or want at least 50% of time, 4) the next 45% of the time, finding nothing I need that is destined to be auctioned off to the less fortunate, 5) finally, 5% of the time finding something I might actually keep. I always assume there is someone more insane than I am, watching me go through that, at least part of the time... and when it's confirmed, I always think, "If you had nothing better to do than watch, why didn't you jump in and do something entertaining like, spawn an NPC and create a scene, or story, even if to only briefly do something unique?" The answer I always come up with is that most DMs, like God, enjoy watching pointless struggle, and perhaps even like burning a church down once in a while (just to put people on guard) but rarely step in to shine a little joy on an otherwise dull experience.

But, back on whatever topic remains.... like I said previously, my very first post in fact, if people want to stand around invisible, no big deal. That is fine with me. I noted that I, too, stood around invisible at times. The difference is, when people walk by *me*, I'm not a dill-hole about it. Most of the time, I just let them pass without saying the first word to them.

People standing around invisible isn't my problem. People acting like tools, is. And that's a syndrome not always limited to dungeon runners, solo farmers, illiterates dweebs... or even mere players.

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Davion Telemos - Monk of the Four Winds
Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham

Oh, and this is a thinly veiled jab at some person you got mad at when your endless bosshunting (read: "Not RPin gor contributing to the community meaningfully") was interrupted. These issues are tkaen up with DMs, not rattled off in patronizing topics.

Locked, PM a DM to handle issues next time, or instead of making a topic to whine, follow your own advice and politely talk to the player in game or send them a PM.

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Davion Telemos - Monk of the Four Winds
Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham

Wow.

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