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| Author: | Genar_Detkasa [ Tue, Oct 26 2010, 16:23 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
This has been bugging me for awhile, but if you are immune to poison does this mean you are immune to being drunk? I mean alcohol is a poison, so yeah. If this is the case then Purple Dragon Rings would be awesome for drinking games. But it would mean duergar can't get drunk and their drinking is just a sad depressing spiral of them trying to drown the sorrows they will never be able to drown! Though I suppose there is always drugs. But yeah, does poison immunity mean you are immune to being drunk? Or is it up to the player? |
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| Author: | Dark Immolation [ Tue, Oct 26 2010, 16:30 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
It is both. Poison Immunity technically means you cannot become drunk. But I don't think anyone is going to stop you from RPing a character with it as being drunk. The same goes for Elves. IIRC, they are just outright immune to becoming drunk. I've seen drunk elves IC though, before. *shrug* Whatever the explanation, one way or the other, the choice is the players, I believe. |
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| Author: | Glyph [ Tue, Oct 26 2010, 16:35 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
I would say its up to the player, I usually roll for CON once every 3 beers, or each for stronger brews, counts back from 5 each time and if you fail you get a little more drunk =) or just roll with it and RP becoming more drunk. wearing immunitys technically blocks it, but in a drinking contest its a different story, infact any upstanding dwarf would tell you to take it off, imho. ed: you could actively choose to block alcohol poisoning but 'feel' the other effects I guess. |
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| Author: | Mobile_Svensk [ Tue, Oct 26 2010, 16:57 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
Dont you people get it. This is the REASON Duergars are evil. They're Pitch-Black Emo-Fatties because the nature of a Dwarf is to drink and become Drunk! Let it henceforth be known! And let us spread this to the world of Faerun, So that the Duergar race no longer is missunderstood! For with COMMUNICATION And UNDERSTANDING; We shal't create a better world! A World free of Racism and Segregation! I have a DREAM! |
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| Author: | Genar_Detkasa [ Tue, Oct 26 2010, 17:03 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
You've completely blown my mind, Svensk. But thanks for the input, I guess I know where my elf monk stands now. @_@ |
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| Author: | Kudark [ Tue, Oct 26 2010, 17:13 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
Dark Immolation wrote: The same goes for Elves. IIRC, they are just outright immune to becoming drunk. Where do you figure this? |
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| Author: | Selvec Darkon [ Tue, Oct 26 2010, 17:14 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
Actually the Duergar immunities have nothing to do with Dwarven stuff or Drinking. They have everything to do with being bi-products of their race placed in servitude to the illthaids for several hundreds of generations, undergoing metal and physical experiments which twisted their race. |
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| Author: | Mobile_Svensk [ Tue, Oct 26 2010, 17:15 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
Going to ruin my speech now, eh? What are you, A Tea-party follower?
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| Author: | Selvec Darkon [ Tue, Oct 26 2010, 17:16 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
No. I'm the local Duergar lore-man. I'm the solitary voice that rages at underport... |
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| Author: | Kudark [ Tue, Oct 26 2010, 17:22 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
Your raging voice is loosening stalactites...LOOK OUT!! |
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| Author: | Mobile_Svensk [ Tue, Oct 26 2010, 17:25 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
DC 30 Reflex save 
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| Author: | Dieu_Le_Fera [ Tue, Oct 26 2010, 19:25 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
Elves are immune to being drunk yes... but they do get a "buzz" from mead so says Elves of Faerun Vol. 1 Quote: For drink, sparkling waters from springs, and
fermented and unfermented berry juices are most common. Dry wines and sweet dessert wines are also very common, and many Elven settlements cultivate the grapes and other ingredients necessary to produce exceptional casks of the beverage. Elven wine is particularly potent- though this rarely affects Tel’Quessir. We have been known to drink even the most hardy Dwarf under the table. Mead is another beverage that we enjoy. This fermented honey beverage leaves us with a pleasant feeling after consuming enough of it. I believe that Humans refer to this phenomenon as “a buzz”. Unlike Humans, and other races, we do not suffer from “hangovers” after consuming too much mead, or any other kind of alcoholic beverage made by other Elves. Certain Elves are affected adversely to the swill Humans call ‘ale’ and ‘beer’. |
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| Author: | TormakSaber [ Tue, Oct 26 2010, 19:25 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
I read "Blah blah Mary Sue" from all that. |
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| Author: | Liz [ Tue, Oct 26 2010, 19:36 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
TormakSaber wrote: I read "Blah blah Mary Sue" from all that. No kidding. I'm waiting for someone to cite as evidence the scene in one of the LotR movies (Two Towers, I think?) where Legolas drinks a bunch of dwarves and burly barrel-chested humans under the table. At which point my clever rhetorical bear trap will viciously spring shut around that person's brittle rhetorical ankle bones, since Legolas is the ultimate Mary Sue (as is basically every elf that Tolkien ever wrote). |
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| Author: | Dieu_Le_Fera [ Tue, Oct 26 2010, 19:54 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
elves in general are the ultimate mary sue... there is no debating that I was just saying where this Quote: The same goes for Elves. IIRC, they are just outright immune to becoming drunk. Quote: Where do you figure this? may have came from. |
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| Author: | Kudark [ Tue, Oct 26 2010, 20:04 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
Right on, I need to brush up on my lore it seems. |
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| Author: | serbiris [ Tue, Oct 26 2010, 20:28 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
I'm pretty sure "Immune to Poison" + "Science" won't work right whichever way you slice it. Or at least you could slice it either way and it would still make a little bit of sense. So this really is something that would come down to individual interpretation. Regarding monks, please note the following two words: Drunken Fist style! (...What no of course I know it's three words, I was just being ironical.) ...Okay yeah the actual martial art that the idea comes from doesn't actually involve alcohol, but let's not let the facts get in the way here. The Drunken Master prestige classes -are- about alcoholic monks though. D&D 3.0/3.5 doesn't seem to have an official stance on how alcohol works (as far as I'm aware), there might be a few mentions here and there (not counting the unofficial thingies on the 'net), but I think they're contradictory/very minor and hard to rely on. Maybe alcohol isn't a poison in the D&D universe? Anyway, I'd say "Poison immunity will stop them from dying but alcohol will affect them normally otherwise" works fine. I wonder if it means they're immune to hangovers as well or not... |
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| Author: | Dwagin [ Tue, Oct 26 2010, 21:27 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
Its magic beer. Monk poison immunity is only natural poisons iirc. |
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| Author: | Mobile_Svensk [ Tue, Oct 26 2010, 21:30 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
Quote: Likewise, druids have a natural sense for the safety of drinking water. Similarly, many druids are immune to the effects of organic poisons. Monk Immunities similar to that, Maybe. |
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| Author: | Yurell [ Tue, Oct 26 2010, 22:17 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
My thought drain always goes: Ethanol is a poison -> I'm immune to poison -> I'm immune to ethanol acting as a poison -> I can't get drunk With the exception of magical alcohol, I guess. Depends how potent one's immunity to poison is. |
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| Author: | Dark Immolation [ Tue, Oct 26 2010, 23:43 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
"Magical Alcohol" may as well be called a "potion". Like a potion of Feeblemind some other debilitating thing. If it's magical and it makes you act loopy, in the case of Poison Immunity, it's likely not the alcohol that's causing the effect. IMO. |
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| Author: | serbiris [ Wed, Oct 27 2010, 3:47 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
Wait, does D&D actually have magical poisons? It's not like diseases, where if you have disease immunity magical diseases can still affect you. Monk poison immunity states poisons of all kinds (at least in 3.5: "Diamond Body (Su): At 11th level, a monk gains immunity to poisons of all kinds.") Mind you, with that wording it's pretty hard to argue that the different mechanism of alcohol (vs say, bee stings) allows it to bypass monk resistance (which if it could be scienced could be some sort of supernatural enzyme?) unless you DM fiat'd that no rule applies to alcohol (ideally you're too drunk to remember the rules anyway!). My argument would have been "It's not just flat poison immunity even though it says it, it just -looks- that way to all the common (non-self-inflicted) instances of poisoning--the actual mechanism excludes a few cases." As you can see I would love to science this, just my chem is shaky at best. Also in answer to my earlier question, most of the crap caused by hangovers is done by the liver breaking stuff down (which means that if the poison immunity comes from having super organs or some kind of more external mechanism, monks can say hello to horrible hangovers). Anyway. Yeah maybe magical alcohol could just be considered a spell effect. And yes I realize I may be thinking too hard about this. |
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| Author: | Uberuce [ Wed, Oct 27 2010, 7:47 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
Alchohol isn't a poison, you goobers. It's the cure for the terrible pox of sobriety, and therefore as a beneficial substance can't be immunised against except by shifting into an undead/etc. |
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| Author: | serbiris [ Wed, Oct 27 2010, 8:17 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
Does that mean monks are immune to being sober? |
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| Author: | Herra Tutteri [ Wed, Oct 27 2010, 8:30 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
Meh, DnD is such a bore. Everything is mended by fancy spells and nothing requires regular stuff, such as treating wounds, building houses, breaking an egg and now getting properly and honestly drunk! I hate you! |
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| Author: | TormakSaber [ Wed, Oct 27 2010, 9:51 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
serbiris wrote: Wait, does D&D actually have magical poisons? It's not like diseases, where if you have disease immunity magical diseases can still affect you. Monk poison immunity states poisons of all kinds (at least in 3.5: "Diamond Body (Su): At 11th level, a monk gains immunity to poisons of all kinds.") Mind you, with that wording it's pretty hard to argue that the different mechanism of alcohol (vs say, bee stings) allows it to bypass monk resistance (which if it could be scienced could be some sort of supernatural enzyme?) unless you DM fiat'd that no rule applies to alcohol (ideally you're too drunk to remember the rules anyway!). My argument would have been "It's not just flat poison immunity even though it says it, it just -looks- that way to all the common (non-self-inflicted) instances of poisoning--the actual mechanism excludes a few cases." As you can see I would love to science this, just my chem is shaky at best. Also in answer to my earlier question, most of the crap caused by hangovers is done by the liver breaking stuff down (which means that if the poison immunity comes from having super organs or some kind of more external mechanism, monks can say hello to horrible hangovers). Anyway. Yeah maybe magical alcohol could just be considered a spell effect. And yes I realize I may be thinking too hard about this. It has magic poisons and diseases, yeah. |
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| Author: | xXxSuShiKunxXx [ Wed, Oct 27 2010, 20:42 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poison Immunity and Being Drunk |
Very_Svensk wrote: Going to ruin my speech now, eh? What are you, A Tea-party follower? Hah! Your on fire this week Svensk. xD |
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