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To answer your question: Magic.

Swallow the Stars wrote:

To answer your question: Magic.

To answer the question in reality: Draconomicon, and Races of the Dragon.

Swallow the Stars wrote:

To answer your question: Magic.

To answer the question in reality: Draconomicon, and Races of the Dragon.

Reading the Draconomicon is a treat, one of the greatest things I've read actually, far as game supplements go. If you ever intend to play a Dragon Disciple/Tiamat/Bahamut/Io worshiper or a kobold, not doing so is a huge disservice to the lore.

From a RP standpoint, a number of us Kobo players will make snipes about the cold. Furthermore a few will rp donning thicker cloths to keep their temperature warmer. It's all a matter of preference though as, save for the Snow Beast lair, none of the dungeons would expose an adventurous kobold to cold harsh enough to stop their blood flow.

O I thought this was going to be a thread about people who think they are reptiles/dragons IRL.

Yossarin wrote:

O I thought this was going to be a thread about people who think they are reptiles/dragons IRL.

I didn't know there was a Reptilian equivalent to Furries, but I suppose I really shouldn't doubt people.

TormakSaber wrote:

Swallow the Stars wrote:

To answer your question: Magic.

To answer the question in reality: Draconomicon, and Races of the Dragon.

The title of two books I won't read doesn't really answer the question.

But I think the posts above yours were sufficient.

You wanted the answers to your question, and those books are entirely devoted to answering every question in your post as well as every question possibly related to them. It's the most complete answer anyone can possibly give and I'm a bit miffed that you're going to fob me off.

DustSpray101 wrote:

why would "warm" clothes matter? the reason "warm" clothes work for warm blooded creatures is because we produce heat and the clothes keep it in, near our bodies. clothes dont make heat, unless you went "lulluululul magic"

Asabi are different than lizard folk.

I didn't know there was a Reptilian equivalent to Furries, but I suppose I really shouldn't doubt people.

Quote:

I didn't know there was a Reptilian equivalent to Furries, but I suppose I really shouldn't doubt people.

Yep, we are called Scalies. Ahem...

Dragonkin may share the proposed warm-blooded nature of certain dinosauria. It is clear that they partake of at least some mammalian characterists (ie. the females have boobs).

Obviously magic makes it possible to have aspects of both natures.

Cerpin Taxt wrote:

DustSpray101 wrote:

Warm clothes (without parenthesis because warm is a legitimate descriptor of a set of certain articles of one's apparel) are warm for multiple reasons. The main function of warm clothes is insulation - that is, maintaining a certain temperature regardless of the temperature outside. That is why warm clothes matter. The reason you begin to sweat and can overheat rapidly when wearing warm clothes in warm weather is because you have the forces of thermal radiation from within working to up the temperature within the insulated environment as well as thermal radiation from without working upon your exposed skin. Cold-blooded creatures, on the other hand, only have to worry about thermal radiation from without and insulation. The fact that mammals have the distinct adaptational advantage of producing heat through the thermodynamics of metabolism and homeostasis is arbitrary - it helps, but isn't the basis for the existence of wearing thicker garb that covers more surface area during the winter months or in cold climates.

tl;dr - Kobolds wearing warm clothes makes perfect scientific and realistic sense from a biological standpoint.

Dinosaurs evolved into dragons or into oil; men took the oil to blaze a trail to enlightenment. Dragons evolved into birds or into treasure hoardes; men took the treasure to blaze a trail to adventure. Birds evolved into seagulls or into assassins; men took the assassins to blaze a way to the new world order.

Dragon descendants that are 3/4 7/8 etc, having mamal traits with them = newbreed of breast dorning dragons?

What is this? I don't even.

Being a scaly doesn't give you a degree in genetics for DnD, (un?)fortunately. The correct answer is that they mix however they please. Half dragon females have breasts, as do Dragonborn. If the species lays eggs, they may r may not be functional since there are egg laying mammals with functional breasts. f the species is live birth, then they most definitely do. Kobolds do not, since they are literally Race: Reptilian, and not Dragon. Dragon Disciples do since they are primarily human/whatever to begin with. DnD doesn't account for "3/4ths" or "7/8ths" Dragon. These things don't really happen, they always typically get rounded down to the half. Same reason you don't see "3/4ths celestial" or etc.

Dragons are warm blooded and lay eggs.
Half dragons are warm blooded and ????. I would honestly err towards live birth.
Kobolds are cold blooded and ... uh, I haven't checked races of the dragon recently, sorry.

Good god, why did I make this retarded post. Someone [removed] shoot me.

It is interesting how the topic shifted from warm/cold weather and Reptillian/Draconic sorts to does it have breasts: Y/N

Hee hee hee hee hee.... snakes wearing sweaters....

It is interesting how the topic shifted from warm/cold weather and Reptillian/Draconic sorts to does it have breasts: Y/N

Author:	Rosencrantz [ Tue, Sep 28 2010, 0:54 AM ]
Post subject:	On Reptillian Nature and its Significance to Amia
Unlike mammals, which actively regulate their body temperature through metabolic activity, reptiles are ecotherms--Their body temperature depends on their surroundings. The drop in body temperature immobilizes a lizard, for example, because its movement depends on chemical reactions that occur within their muscles, and the rates of these reactions are highly sensitive to temperature. When reptiles get cold, they become lethargic, unable to move very quickly. For this reason, reptiles try to maintain their body temperature within a narrow range by moving between the Sun and the shade.. Now, to tie that scientific mouthful into Amia, I have recently wondered why such a nature of reptiles doesn't affect Dragons, Half-Dragons, or Kobolds. Is the answer simply 'magic'?

Author:	Colapops [ Tue, Sep 28 2010, 0:57 AM ]
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Dragons are not actually reptiles; they're warm-blooded. They're not reptiles, not mammals, not anything other than "dragon." The same goes for half-dragons. Kobolds, on the other hand, are cold-blooded; they even have certain behavior/mentality changes spoken of in some of the books that are triggered by particularly cold climates. I think the most noteworthy change is that a kobold in a climate too cold for a normal reptile is the need to eat three times its normal food requirement. Of course, that doesn't show up in a video game like Neverwinter Nights, but there you go. In other words, reptilian physiology is not significant in Amia at all; all the reptilian races live in suitable environments, and those that venture into colder climes (like player kobolds) are not there for any extended length of time, or at least not long enough to go into "oh god I'm freezing to death"-mode.

Author:	Xaviera [ Tue, Sep 28 2010, 1:01 AM ]
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Dragonkin may share the proposed warm-blooded nature of certain dinosauria. It is clear that they partake of at least some mammalian characterists (ie. the females have boobs). Obviously magic makes it possible to have aspects of both natures.

Author:	Colapops [ Tue, Sep 28 2010, 1:04 AM ]
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Breasts are not a mammalian trait in D&D. They're a female trait, full-stop. Dragons are warm-blooded for sure, though, and kobolds are not. I think lizardfolk, troglodytes, asabi, and the other serpent races are still cold-blooded as well (but don't quote me on that one).

Author:	Rosencrantz [ Tue, Sep 28 2010, 1:20 AM ]
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I'm tempted to roll a Kobold and RP them freezng when it gets cold and hopping between Sun and shade.

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Author:	Swallow the Stars [ Tue, Sep 28 2010, 2:50 AM ]
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To answer your question: Magic.

Author:	TormakSaber [ Tue, Sep 28 2010, 4:54 AM ]
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Swallow the Stars wrote: To answer your question: Magic. To answer the question in reality: Draconomicon, and Races of the Dragon.

Author:	BlackDahlya [ Tue, Sep 28 2010, 5:35 AM ]
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TormakSaber wrote: Swallow the Stars wrote: To answer your question: Magic. To answer the question in reality: Draconomicon, and Races of the Dragon. Draconomicon is a ~very~ good reading! I had it for a long time, but only fully read during the Wyrmling Plague plot in Ultrinnan. I did not regret the time I spent reading the book, though... since my memory is selective, most of the knowledge I used back then I am not using anymore and it kinda... disappeared from my mind =( I could not get Races of the Dragon, though, but I do not doubt it will be just as good a reading.

Author:	Dwagin [ Tue, Sep 28 2010, 6:09 AM ]
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Did someone summon me? O'.. Tormak's got this. Poof

Author:	DustSpray101 [ Tue, Sep 28 2010, 15:22 PM ]
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From a RP standpoint, a number of us Kobo players will make snipes about the cold. Furthermore a few will rp donning thicker cloths to keep their temperature warmer. It's all a matter of preference though as, save for the Snow Beast lair, none of the dungeons would expose an adventurous kobold to cold harsh enough to stop their blood flow.

Author:	Rosencrantz [ Tue, Sep 28 2010, 16:13 PM ]
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TormakSaber wrote: Swallow the Stars wrote: To answer your question: Magic. To answer the question in reality: Draconomicon, and Races of the Dragon. The title of two books I won't read doesn't really answer the question. But I think the posts above yours were sufficient.

Author:	Kudark [ Tue, Sep 28 2010, 17:17 PM ]
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You should read them, knowledge is power and it seems Tormak is powerful. Plus, they will answer your questions and more.

Author:	Dwagin [ Tue, Sep 28 2010, 19:16 PM ]
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Reading the Draconomicon is a treat, one of the greatest things I've read actually, far as game supplements go. If you ever intend to play a Dragon Disciple/Tiamat/Bahamut/Io worshiper or a kobold, not doing so is a huge disservice to the lore.

Author:	Rosencrantz [ Tue, Sep 28 2010, 19:22 PM ]
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Dwagin wrote: Reading the Draconomicon is a treat, one of the greatest things I've read actually, far as game supplements go. If you ever intend to play a Dragon Disciple/Tiamat/Bahamut/Io worshiper or a kobold, not doing so is a huge disservice to the lore. Maybe then I would. I tend to do a little research before making a character where I have gaps in the lore that would make up their background/race/ect. But I don't think I would really make any of those on Amia right now.

Author:	Yossarin [ Tue, Sep 28 2010, 19:35 PM ]
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O I thought this was going to be a thread about people who think they are reptiles/dragons IRL.

Author:	Cerpin Taxt [ Tue, Sep 28 2010, 19:52 PM ]
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DustSpray101 wrote: From a RP standpoint, a number of us Kobo players will make snipes about the cold. Furthermore a few will rp donning thicker cloths to keep their temperature warmer. It's all a matter of preference though as, save for the Snow Beast lair, none of the dungeons would expose an adventurous kobold to cold harsh enough to stop their blood flow. why would "warm" clothes matter? the reason "warm" clothes work for warm blooded creatures is because we produce heat and the clothes keep it in, near our bodies. clothes dont make heat, unless you went "lulluululul magic"

Author:	Rosencrantz [ Tue, Sep 28 2010, 20:13 PM ]
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Yossarin wrote: O I thought this was going to be a thread about people who think they are reptiles/dragons IRL. I didn't know there was a Reptilian equivalent to Furries, but I suppose I really shouldn't doubt people.

Author:	Silvarus [ Tue, Sep 28 2010, 20:40 PM ]
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Rosencrantz wrote: Yossarin wrote: O I thought this was going to be a thread about people who think they are reptiles/dragons IRL. I didn't know there was a Reptilian equivalent to Furries, but I suppose I really shouldn't doubt people. Yeah, you should have seen that one coming.

Author:	TormakSaber [ Tue, Sep 28 2010, 21:09 PM ]
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Rosencrantz wrote: TormakSaber wrote: Swallow the Stars wrote: To answer your question: Magic. To answer the question in reality: Draconomicon, and Races of the Dragon. The title of two books I won't read doesn't really answer the question. But I think the posts above yours were sufficient. You wanted the answers to your question, and those books are entirely devoted to answering every question in your post as well as every question possibly related to them. It's the most complete answer anyone can possibly give and I'm a bit miffed that you're going to fob me off.

Author:	Dwagin [ Tue, Sep 28 2010, 21:58 PM ]
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In fact in the Draconomicon there is a section of it completely detailing draconic anatomy. Well, I'd say nearly all of it. As there's going to be no need for detailed description of copulation/reproductive systems on Amia I'm pretty sure that 'nearly all of it' it covers everything you might need.

Author:	Rosencrantz [ Wed, Sep 29 2010, 0:12 AM ]
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TormakSaber wrote: You wanted the answers to your question, and those books are entirely devoted to answering every question in your post as well as every question possibly related to them. It's the most complete answer anyone can possibly give and I'm a bit miffed that you're going to fob me off. There are books devoted around the topic or at least containing the topic of many of the questions posed in threads in the forum. I wasn't looking for the sort of answer you would get from a reference librarian and I don't think many other people who make these topics are either. While I'm sure the books are an excellent source, I don't really have the time or resources to go seek it out. Still, I was being petty. I could have simply said nothing, and instead I decided to bother you. So I apologize for the 'fobbing' and the 'miffed' feelings.

Author:	Swallow the Stars [ Wed, Sep 29 2010, 0:54 AM ]
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Cerpin Taxt wrote: DustSpray101 wrote: From a RP standpoint, a number of us Kobo players will make snipes about the cold. Furthermore a few will rp donning thicker cloths to keep their temperature warmer. It's all a matter of preference though as, save for the Snow Beast lair, none of the dungeons would expose an adventurous kobold to cold harsh enough to stop their blood flow. why would "warm" clothes matter? the reason "warm" clothes work for warm blooded creatures is because we produce heat and the clothes keep it in, near our bodies. clothes dont make heat, unless you went "lulluululul magic" Warm clothes (without parenthesis because warm is a legitimate descriptor of a set of certain articles of one's apparel) are warm for multiple reasons. The main function of warm clothes is insulation - that is, maintaining a certain temperature regardless of the temperature outside. That is why warm clothes matter. The reason you begin to sweat and can overheat rapidly when wearing warm clothes in warm weather is because you have the forces of thermal radiation from within working to up the temperature within the insulated environment as well as thermal radiation from without working upon your exposed skin. Cold-blooded creatures, on the other hand, only have to worry about thermal radiation from without and insulation. The fact that mammals have the distinct adaptational advantage of producing heat through the thermodynamics of metabolism and homeostasis is arbitrary - it helps, but isn't the basis for the existence of wearing thicker garb that covers more surface area during the winter months or in cold climates. tl;dr - Kobolds wearing warm clothes makes perfect scientific and realistic sense from a biological standpoint.

Author:	Selvec Darkon [ Wed, Sep 29 2010, 3:34 AM ]
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Because they are Draconic, not Reptillian. They aren't the same. Kobolds are a much lesser Draconic, but more draconic then reptillian. Thus, their habitats and how tempature effects them is more based on the type of dragon they are, or the type of dragon blood they have. Example, White Dragons prefer colder environments, and hate the heat. Where as Bronze(?) dragons prefer the deserts. An example of a reptillian race on Amia is the ones in Khem, or the ones in the Quagmires. The Quagmires are a swamp, warm but wet. Khem is Hot, but dry. Different variations of reptiles. Not Draconic. Dragons have little to no real world comparison. They are the a custom species, and their information is all in the books. So to reiterate. Dragons are not Lizards. They are Dragons.

Author:	TormakSaber [ Wed, Sep 29 2010, 3:39 AM ]
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Asabi are different than lizard folk.

Author:	My Sovereign [ Wed, Sep 29 2010, 12:08 PM ]
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Quote: I didn't know there was a Reptilian equivalent to Furries, but I suppose I really shouldn't doubt people. Yep, we are called Scalies. Ahem...

Author:	Rosencrantz [ Wed, Sep 29 2010, 12:38 PM ]
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My Sovereign wrote: Quote: I didn't know there was a Reptilian equivalent to Furries, but I suppose I really shouldn't doubt people. Yep, we are called Scalies. Ahem... So what happens when a Scaley and a Furry cross paths..?

Author:	Bmonkey [ Wed, Sep 29 2010, 13:10 PM ]
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It's called Pernporn and it's been around for ages edit: When a furry and scaly meet , Jifffest.

Author:	Strawberry Stallion [ Wed, Sep 29 2010, 17:59 PM ]
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Xaviera wrote: Dragonkin may share the proposed warm-blooded nature of certain dinosauria. It is clear that they partake of at least some mammalian characterists (ie. the females have boobs). Obviously magic makes it possible to have aspects of both natures. They have breasts? What?

Author:	Dwagin [ Wed, Sep 29 2010, 18:16 PM ]
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Maybe on 'Dragonborn'. But thats 4e. There's no such things a boobs on a dragon in 3.0/3.5. Unless its a crossbreed with something that has them.

Author:	Silvarus [ Wed, Sep 29 2010, 18:38 PM ]
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Ignore the 4e stuff, please.

Author:	DustSpray101 [ Wed, Sep 29 2010, 21:46 PM ]
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Dragon born are also 3.5 if you note the Rite of Rebirth outlined in Races of the dragon. Also, half dragons can potentially have boobs. They would not serve much purpose, but it is indeed possible. It is a valid observation of certain kinds of dragonkin. However, what should be noted is that these are traits gained from melding with a mammal, not traits inherent to the Draconic subtype.

Author:	Strawberry Stallion [ Thu, Sep 30 2010, 17:45 PM ]
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Dragon descendants that are 3/4 7/8 etc, having mamal traits with them = newbreed of breast dorning dragons? What is this? I don't even.

Author:	Merrien [ Thu, Sep 30 2010, 19:56 PM ]
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Swallow the Stars wrote: Cerpin Taxt wrote: DustSpray101 wrote: From a RP standpoint, a number of us Kobo players will make snipes about the cold. Furthermore a few will rp donning thicker cloths to keep their temperature warmer. It's all a matter of preference though as, save for the Snow Beast lair, none of the dungeons would expose an adventurous kobold to cold harsh enough to stop their blood flow. why would "warm" clothes matter? the reason "warm" clothes work for warm blooded creatures is because we produce heat and the clothes keep it in, near our bodies. clothes dont make heat, unless you went "lulluululul magic" Warm clothes (without parenthesis because warm is a legitimate descriptor of a set of certain articles of one's apparel) are warm for multiple reasons. The main function of warm clothes is insulation - that is, maintaining a certain temperature regardless of the temperature outside. That is why warm clothes matter. The reason you begin to sweat and can overheat rapidly when wearing warm clothes in warm weather is because you have the forces of thermal radiation from within working to up the temperature within the insulated environment as well as thermal radiation from without working upon your exposed skin. Cold-blooded creatures, on the other hand, only have to worry about thermal radiation from without and insulation. The fact that mammals have the distinct adaptational advantage of producing heat through the thermodynamics of metabolism and homeostasis is arbitrary - it helps, but isn't the basis for the existence of wearing thicker garb that covers more surface area during the winter months or in cold climates. tl;dr - Kobolds wearing warm clothes makes perfect scientific and realistic sense from a biological standpoint. Hee hee hee hee hee.... snakes wearing sweaters....

Author:	Yossarin [ Thu, Sep 30 2010, 20:57 PM ]
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Dinosaurs evolved into dragons or into oil; men took the oil to blaze a trail to enlightenment. Dragons evolved into birds or into treasure hoardes; men took the treasure to blaze a trail to adventure. Birds evolved into seagulls or into assassins; men took the assassins to blaze a way to the new world order.