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Quick, everyone rush to make katana-wielding weaponmaster weeaboos!

Speaking any RL language in FR is equivalent to speaking Common. The DM team ruled on this some time back. Any RL spoken language may be translated to English (or etc) and treated as Common.

I'd imagine Kara-turan is an accepted equivalent of Faerun Common. But then there are regional languages. Kozakuran, for instance, is a Japanese influenced one, if I recall.

As for Italian, I'm certain that there's an Italian based region in Faerun. Faerun is a bit like Europe, North parts of Africa and parts of the Middle East all squished together.

Thinking of them as tribal dialects of the same language is easiest.

Amateurishly ripped-off, that's what it's called.

Dev Disco wrote:

Amateurishly ripped-off, that's what it's called.

You mean like he Mulhorandi pantheon?

Horus-Ra Should sue them.

Just for the [removed] of it? I mean, you need to be god to sue Hasbro and win anyway.

Gotta please the Asian Role-players, You take what you get.

Uh... have you seen drow lately?

You actually waived your rights when installing the game, again when installing the expansions, and again each time you patched.

Author:	Brighti [ Thu, Aug 05 2010, 17:26 PM ]
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There are 11 dialects, one is basically japanese language. What are the other, is there an italian one? Etc. Curious, thankyou.

Author:	Silvarus [ Thu, Aug 05 2010, 17:26 PM ]
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Probably not as Kara-tur is all about oriental stereotypes.

Author:	Logicality [ Thu, Aug 05 2010, 17:31 PM ]
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Yep, East Asia. Anyway, something else comes to mind: would it be weird to meet someone from Kara-tur on Amia or in the lands surrounding the island? Or from Matzica, or anywhere else not in Faerün for that matter?

Author:	Gers [ Thu, Aug 05 2010, 17:33 PM ]
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Nope. There's several characters I've seen with Kara-Turan origins, as well as a few Chultans, and at least two characters I know of have some link to Maztica. So it's not at all against the rules or bad RP.

Author:	Silvarus [ Thu, Aug 05 2010, 17:35 PM ]
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But what we really need is that 2nd ed "land of the stale cheese" 1001 nights stories style Faerun Arabia. Thats where all the awesome is at.

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Author:	Logicality [ Thu, Aug 05 2010, 17:38 PM ]
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I didn't mean that to be a question of RP quality, but rather of frequency, from a campaign perspective. Because I'm straying from Kara-Tur alone here I'll move to the Lore Questions thread.

Author:	Bravo21 [ Thu, Aug 05 2010, 17:52 PM ]
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The entire region was based loosely on real world locations and cultures in asia and southeast asia. As a result, there is a correlation between RL cultures and languages. As you noted Kozakura is modeled after fuedal Japan and has a similar language. Shou Lung has a language and culture similar to China, specifically the Han dynasty which means the Mandarin language. Tabot is D&D's Tibet, Ra-Khati is Nepal, and Koryo is the amaglam of Korea. The Island Kingdoms are a conglomeraton of Indonesia, Malasia, and the Philipines. And the Horse Plains are modeled after Mongolia which is where Tuigans are from in the Forgoten Realms. For the most part, the cultures represented were taken wholesale from the real world examples with minor tweaks suited to incorporation into a fantasy setting. With this in mind, using the real world to aid in languages, customs, and looks of any character in one of these regions should work fine.

Author:	Colapops [ Thu, Aug 05 2010, 18:24 PM ]
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Quick, everyone rush to make katana-wielding weaponmaster weeaboos!

Author:	Silvarus [ Thu, Aug 05 2010, 18:35 PM ]
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Colapops wrote: Quick, everyone rush to make katana-wielding weaponmaster weeaboos! You are several years too late.

Author:	Colapops [ Thu, Aug 05 2010, 18:38 PM ]
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Now you have the official go-ahead. Go hog wild.

Author:	Glyph [ Thu, Aug 05 2010, 18:39 PM ]
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how does this work ingame, if it has ever been done ? [kara-tur 1] hi there [kara-tur 8] que? (mexican spanish for "what"...) [kara-tur 11] what are you guys talking about? O_o

Author:	Logicality [ Thu, Aug 05 2010, 18:45 PM ]
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I would imagine the FR analogs to RL languages would be recognizable in flavour only. Speaking Mandarin would look like speaking Shou to the Westerner, but one fluent in Chinese probably would not be fluent in Shou. That is just a guess, mind you.

Author:	Kraniumbrud [ Thu, Aug 05 2010, 19:23 PM ]
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it will however be very hard for a kara-tur char to know common...seeing as nearly noone on the faerun side knows karatur and can teach them common

Author:	Glyph [ Thu, Aug 05 2010, 19:26 PM ]
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makes me recall what disco said about finnish XD I think you'd need a master linguist on the island to be translating anything nevermind teaching kara-tur common. its not unlikely they could learn drac if they are magic users.

Author:	Selvec Darkon [ Fri, Aug 06 2010, 0:59 AM ]
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Kara-tur = Japanese, Korean, Indian/Indonesian and Chinese culture. Pretty much its a mix of the four major asian cultures.

Author:	Mobile_Svensk [ Fri, Aug 06 2010, 9:18 AM ]
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Puke Anybody playing a Mulhorandi worshipper is weird. Instantly looks towards Pidge,Hendrack and Mosh for retribution

Author:	TormakSaber [ Fri, Aug 06 2010, 19:13 PM ]
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Horus-Re doesn't care, because he's been elevated to Sun God Status, even above Ra, because Ra is dead in FR. He got a promotion. Why sue?

Author:	TormakSaber [ Thu, Aug 05 2010, 20:23 PM ]
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Speaking any RL language in FR is equivalent to speaking Common. The DM team ruled on this some time back. Any RL spoken language may be translated to English (or etc) and treated as Common.

Author:	Silvarus [ Thu, Aug 05 2010, 20:24 PM ]
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TormakSaber wrote: Speaking any RL language in FR is equivalent to speaking Common. The DM team ruled on this some time back. Any RL spoken language may be translated to English (or etc) and treated as Common. This means I can grief you people by speaking Finnish and forcing you to translate it! (No, I know how it really works, really.)

Author:	Silvarus [ Thu, Aug 05 2010, 20:28 PM ]
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TormakSaber wrote: I will ban you... <Insert a six-page rant about Powertripping Elitist Emo Tordek here>

Author:	AlphaWaves [ Thu, Aug 05 2010, 20:35 PM ]
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I'd imagine Kara-turan is an accepted equivalent of Faerun Common. But then there are regional languages. Kozakuran, for instance, is a Japanese influenced one, if I recall. As for Italian, I'm certain that there's an Italian based region in Faerun. Faerun is a bit like Europe, North parts of Africa and parts of the Middle East all squished together.

Author:	QPR [ Thu, Aug 05 2010, 20:41 PM ]
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I dont know any region of Faerun which lives on hair-gel and poor common, so no, there is no region for Italy.

Author:	Gunz [ Thu, Aug 05 2010, 22:52 PM ]
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AlphaWaves wrote: I'd imagine Kara-turan is an accepted equivalent of Faerun Common. But then there are regional languages. Kozakuran, for instance, is a Japanese influenced one, if I recall. As for Italian, I'm certain that there's an Italian based region in Faerun. Faerun is a bit like Europe, North parts of Africa and parts of the Middle East all squished together. Indeed. Kao Te Shou (AKA Kara-Turan) is the common of Kara-Tur. Kozakuran and Wa appear to be modeled after Japan; Shou Lung, Northern Wastes and T'u Lung appear to be modeled after China; Koryo appears to be modeled after Korea; Tabot appears to be modeled after Tibet; Island Kingdoms appear to be modeled after India/Indonesia/Malaysia and so on. There are a lot of languages, but Kao Te Shou is the most spoken one. The root language to all of them is Han, which is still spoken widely in the lands of Wa. My Kara-Turan raised PC speaks both Han and Kao Te Shou, being from Wa. I use Japanese words sometimes to symbolize Han words. Kinda like how some people use Elven and Drow to say hi, bye, and other little things. I don't write sentences or anything in it... Not that I could, since I don't speak Japanese. >.>

Author:	Yossarin [ Fri, Aug 06 2010, 1:06 AM ]
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Thinking of them as tribal dialects of the same language is easiest.

Author:	Gunz [ Fri, Aug 06 2010, 4:15 AM ]
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Yossarin wrote: Thinking of them as tribal dialects of the same language is easiest. Indeed. All the native languages of the region come from the root language of Han. Think of it as tribal, or you can think of it like what Latin is to Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, French, etc.

Author:	Zinovy [ Fri, Aug 06 2010, 4:47 AM ]
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Chondath is loosely inspired by Italy. But like most countries in Faerun, it's only loosely inspired by it, and then only by parts of its structure and has parts of other cultures' structure and flavor to make it interesting and different from RL. Unlike Kara-Tur.

Author:	Dev Disco [ Fri, Aug 06 2010, 9:10 AM ]
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Amateurishly ripped-off, that's what it's called.

Author:	Yurell [ Fri, Aug 06 2010, 9:17 AM ]
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Dev Disco wrote: Amateurishly ripped-off, that's what it's called. You mean like he Mulhorandi pantheon?

Author:	TormakSaber [ Fri, Aug 06 2010, 10:04 AM ]
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Yurell wrote: Dev Disco wrote: Amateurishly ripped-off, that's what it's called. You mean like he Mulhorandi pantheon? No, the MUlhorandi region is god tier trolling. "What? What do you mean we took inspiration from ancient africa and egypt? This IS the ancient Egyptian region!"

Author:	Mobile_Svensk [ Fri, Aug 06 2010, 10:16 AM ]
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Horus-Ra Should sue them.

Author:	Dev Disco [ Sat, Aug 07 2010, 7:48 AM ]
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Just for the fuck of it? I mean, you need to be god to sue Hasbro and win anyway.

Author:	TormakSaber [ Sat, Aug 07 2010, 7:54 AM ]
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I remind you that Horus is an Egyptian god, not an American one.

Author:	Horus [ Sat, Aug 07 2010, 9:10 AM ]
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Very_Svensk wrote: Horus-Ra Should sue them. Dev Disco wrote: Just for the [removed] of it? I mean, you need to be god to sue Hasbro and win anyway. ..What are my legal options again?

Author:	Colapops [ Sat, Aug 07 2010, 11:59 AM ]
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You actually waived your rights when installing the game, again when installing the expansions, and again each time you patched.

Author:	Selvec Darkon [ Sat, Aug 07 2010, 13:44 PM ]
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Very_Svensk wrote: Gotta please the Asian Role-players, You take what you get. No big breasted dark elves wearing scantly few clothes, wielding completely oversized sword and screaming for the peanor's. So they aren't really pleasing their asian audience.

Author:	Colapops [ Sat, Aug 07 2010, 13:55 PM ]
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Uh... have you seen drow lately?

Author:	Horus [ Sat, Aug 07 2010, 14:11 PM ]
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Colapops wrote: You actually waived your rights when installing the game, again when installing the expansions, and again each time you patched. You make the bird god sad.