Gray Warden?

Being neutral is not exactly a great initiator of things. And NN as an alignment doesn't say very much. Committed to balance? How do you gauge balance? It's easy for Druids, they are set on the whole nature thing. What are you set on?

I like the sound of this, few more levels and a bit more RP I might check this out further (is chaotic neutral)

um, is there a way to have no faith once you've got one? (I made a huge cock up and have an elven god...and im not level 10 yet but kelemvor would be the one I would go to, but im not the right alignment, so screw god, how do I renounce faith?)

speaking of the subject, I really think you could flesh out the deitys bit a little, what about allies (for example good deitys who don't quite agree with you but would help anyways? wakueen? trade is a neutral profession in most cases... or is it?) what about enemys (call me a lazy mans but, bane? pertty sure he'd be against neutrality. or is he dead or what, im pretty confused lately, west cordor is ruins and I heard bane died O_o or something...*reads more lore*)

also, the level 2 cenus magia rank is bringing nostalgia of an epic sort. (...shall not pass XD)

to the most recent comment (been writing a while) since good and evil are always fighting i'd assume neutrals would prefer not to, thus maintain a balance of peace in where ever it is the faction dwells. that or just revamp communism and ban all paladins and necromancers. also, and I think honestly this will set the faction apart, no bais against races, only actions should bring about consiquences.

and i'm beat, keep me posted

What does this faction offer that they cannot get by joniing one of the other 2 dozen factions on Amia, and what does Amia as a community gain by adding yet another faction to divide people and encourage more alt-itis with? The Monolith is suffering and a revitalization would make it amazing, as it Tarkuul. But encouraging the current places to a new faction will only A: Hurt the existing long standing factions and B: factions like these tend to be short lived alt-itis where the interest quicky fades.

Don't take it personally, I've always cast an odd eye on these sorts of fad factions and have for a long time now. But I think these are serious questions for any faction-maker-to-be to consider, very heavily, before fracturing the community yet again into bland and clearly marked "Good Faction Evil Faction One Faction Two Faction".

I really do like the idea of a neutral like faction, really does make a change from bane vs good imo. if good abuses its power its a faction to stop them in their tracks before evil legitimatly blow things up.

out of interests what rank do spellswords come under?

Missing several key things.

The Monolith is suffering and a revitalization would make it amazing, as it Tarkuul.

faith: faithless?..

excuse me but isnt it abit ..umm strange to have a magic based section where religion isnt allowed?..

i mean..magic is devine in many ways, the weave is a god, the shadow weave is controlled by one

Unless by faithless he means that the group as a body is not aligned to a deity vs. the individual members are faithless . . . . . Which was my assumption. I.E., a secular group whose members most likely have their own faith.

...Please correct me if I'm wrong, Chris.

Hmm..interesting faction concept.

If you would have announced this faction in real life, then I would join most definitely, since it has a too modern day belief in my opinion.
However according to the lore of the FR, the common people see the world in more a black and white perspective.

Considering the fact that the folks on Amia like to involve a lot of modern society thinking ingame, like racism, republic, or FD-5457847868/1-43787 form to naturalize the Cordorian citizenship without the apparatus of the Federal Gov..........err.... you know what?... I can see future for this faction. This is exactly the faction what the server needs.

I can only say good luck! Hopefully I will rp with you folks IG.

It was going to be a faithless group, but I don't see how that will be possible. So I will make it not a requirement to have any specific Patron. Just nothing crazy like Cyricist, Lolth, etc. The works.

Just as an aside, racism and republics are by no means a "modern-day" institution or creation. These exist within the FR universe and quite accented in some cases. It's something that Amia doesn't have a lot of which is surprising to be truthful. Especially racism towards certain races (Underdark races come to mind).

The difference is that it is not racism, but the a defensive attitude of the surfacers.

Just as an aside, racism and republics are by no means a "modern-day" institution or creation. These exist within the FR universe and quite accented in some cases. It's something that Amia doesn't have a lot of which is surprising to be truthful. Especially racism towards certain races (Underdark races come to mind).

In the interest of remaining a "neutral" faction, you will of course include most of the Triadic gods and other certain "goodly" deities in that list of "banned patrons," yes?

A brief aside, not trying to derail the subject at hand.

Mystra is the Weave, yes. However, Mystra does not seem to hinder those who pursue her gift. She would not withhold her gift from, say, a Banite (Mystra and Bane are strong enemies) mage who may be in the process of torturing a Mystran. So, pointing to a patron, and magic, is not exactly a relevant point in context.

As for the Monolith, and its current state. I can not disagree one iota with Tormak. Hopefully, news of the Tower's demise is greatly exaggerated.

Re: Mystra: Midnight/Mystra originally attempted to block all magic from Evil aligned spellcasters, Divine and otheriwse, since her station as the Goddess of All Magic even allowed her to cut off divine spellcasters. AO ordered her to cease segregation of magic, so even though she's NG, she is bound by Cosmological Law to let any creature have access to magic.

is cordor washington now? O_o

I think I know what the dm's mean by "lacking key information", you need a clear goal, task, duty, etc, of the faction as a whole, who isn't aloud in? why? who is? why? neutrality being the key factor I feel it should be something less along the lines of war, whatever happened to that black market trade faction? what happened to the dale?! (its always empty O_o)

idk though im stuck for thoughts, tarkuul comes to mind being for all intensive purposes neutral, of course they are mostly undead but they ain't stabbing people on sight. I had a bit of trouble RPing being around a half dragon due to my backstory, and IC I choose to deal with it because compared to the monsters this particular dragon was another ally, and was not being unfriendly either.

I forsee the tension between good and evil in whichever place the faction would reside, causing RP that can't be resolved without a fight or distancing from the faction, I notice now that you don't include chaotic good and evil though, and the goal is to make a better world using logic how? its dnd, logic doth not apply. this does give me an idea though, like tarkuul is the place of free knowledge and none shall be stopped in attaining said knowledge, what if the faction was about technology? in the way that adamantium is an improvement from steel, and that magical fire is turning that wheel which turns the mill (I am not sugesting guns nor actual internal combustion engines...ok maybe dwarvern guns...maaybe...or not...stat wise its an over hyped sling...i'd imagine...ok yea it would be kool but like, one gun maximum, total. if that...requiring lv30 to weild...ok ill stop.)

however thats more of a job system thing, unless your picky about the skills people in the faction have, or you need alchemists to make...some epic looking thing...

I'm hearing grey alot and I do like that, but, what symbol would you use? wheres the secret handshake, is it secret at all? will the faction members be listed or will they quietly solve amia's problems?

I guess I have alot of questions. I do think your onto something though, keep it up and keep bouncing those ideas.

ps: is this the dnd equivilent of scientology or something? cause even if your faithless it doesn't stop the deitys reacking havok with lightning/fire/hoards of monsters etc around you, which regardless of your irl veiws, makes being faithless in game a LITTLE bit hard to do. unless your just refusing to pray to a god because your character wants to gut each one of them or something.

pss: is lapis philosophorum (philosophers stone) an alchemist item yet? use it to make potions of invunrability (temp) aww yea. thats what i'm thinking along the technology lines anyways, like egypt before it became a desert...or atlantis, whichever floats your boat.

Not too bad of an idea, but what's the point?
Too many factions on Amia.
Too many gods to choose from.
If anything, we need to scale some of this back. Too many players/characters are spread too thin across the numerous factions.

O.o really keeping me on my toes.

I've already decided to allow certain faiths in the group. It would be nearly impossible to make a group otherwise without a lot of people who found it interesting and made new characters, and I REALLY doubt that.

No its not a secretive group at all. We do plan on working alot with other groups to solve problems . Our symbol is of course the "Raven". These birds a known for observing and watching.

Solving Amia's problems will be determined by a couple factors. This is how I see it....

((this is of course a example))


1. A member of Silens Fraters brings information on a possible war between Triad and Banites.

2. The Judge will either assign certain members to go an discuss reasoning behind the war from both of the factions and if there is any way that it could be stopped; we would then...

3. If both Factions seem to not come up with a reason to compromise, then we would either A) Sit back and see what happens or B) Get involved with a side we believe would of course be in our favor. When I say "our favor" I mean the RavenCourt in whole is a group who believes that the Island is too focused on the wants and needs of Patrons and they are creating too much Chaos. We are trying to create a "perfect environment" through a new way of thinking.

4. Once the said "War" is over, or it is lowered to what see as not a further threat to our goals. we would continue on with our duties.

So what happens if a faction decided to declare war on you?

So the large majority of this faction is gonna end up in the wall...fun.

I have a suggestion, rather then a faction, due to the large number of factions already existing, why not make it a sort of unofficial council?
This would take allot of effort player wise, not that running a faction is any easier. Ask Gurth.
The council could be composed of members from various factions of which ALL have a standing/say. There would be one, or a few mediators who are neutral that would oversee any conflicts or such and offer logical and/or insightful solutions, the core members of your "faction" basically.

This would allow you to create a micro faction of sorts that plays off the preexisting factions and PCs, thus eliminating the need to further fracture the player base as someone put it.
It would require a dedicated few to oversee the events that are happening both ingame and on the forums as well as establish connections/alliances and gain IC information with the various factions and their going ons.