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| Author: | The1Kobra [ Sun, May 02 2010, 12:51 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Paladins + Negative Energy |
I was wondering, would use of negative energy spells cause a paladin to risk falling? I know that spells with the 'evil' descriptor would be out directly, and spells like create undead would also be a no-no for a paladin. But there were some that were in the 'iffy' territory. I know mileage may vary between paladins of different orders, but the spells I were thinking of were: Negative Energy Burst(Negative), Finger of Death(Death), Horrid Wilting(Death), Harm, and the inflict wounds line of spells(Negative), Slay Living(Death, Negative), Energy Drain(Negative). Would use of these, any or all, cause a paladin to risk falling? I can think of some arguments for or against, but I'd like some other opinions on the matter. Also, on a related note, would a paladin using a weapon with negative energy damage attached risk falling as well? |
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| Author: | TormakSaber [ Sun, May 02 2010, 12:59 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
Horrid Wilting isn't death, it's sucking out the moisture from living things. Negative Energy is itself a neutral entity and you will probably not get in trouble for using it on a cosmic level, depending on what deity you worship. Probably. Maybe. Do you want to gamble with your Divine Blessing in such a manner? From other characters is an entirely different story, of course. |
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| Author: | hendrack [ Sun, May 02 2010, 12:59 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
Go ask some of the Kellies. They have a nice book ingame about that stuff. |
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| Author: | Dieu_Le_Fera [ Sun, May 02 2010, 12:59 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
AFAIK a paladin using negative energy is a big No-No... it's a kin to necromancy. I am sure if the Eternal Order saw a Paladin using a weapon with negative energy there would be quite a reckoning. |
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| Author: | TormakSaber [ Sun, May 02 2010, 13:03 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
Again, Negative Energy 9and Positive Energy) are, despite their uses, 100% neutral entities. What happens between character sis IC and should stay that way. As I said in the DM topic, do what your PC will and let us handle the deities. |
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| Author: | Silvarus [ Sun, May 02 2010, 13:57 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
Entirely in character speaking: Gagis would probably recommend death magic over evocation since being instantly magically slain is far less painful than being slowly burned alive by fireballs. His view of necromantic spells differs slightly from that of the rest of the Order. |
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| Author: | MoshingChris [ Sun, May 02 2010, 14:47 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
Negative energy weapons are fine with the Kellies I think, I remember my Paladin Tauronemhet running with Richard and Vanora with a Neg energy scimitar. Mind that may have changed since then. That said the Kellies wont allow control undead whilst the the church of Osiris will (the clerics do of the house of Osiris will control undead to clean undead out of tombs etc since Osiris has complete control over all undead). Both will kill you for raising undead obviously and conversely Osirants find Horrid Wilting a totally offensive spell, since as Tormak said it sucks the moisture out of you and dying of thirst is a terror weapon in Mulhorand aswell as a device of torture and evil. Just an example of different strokes for different blokes. |
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| Author: | Dieu_Le_Fera [ Sun, May 02 2010, 15:13 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
Quote: Negative energy weapons are fine with the Kellies I think, I remember my Paladin Tauronemhet running with Richard and Vanora with a Neg energy scimitar. You sure? Sometime ago I remember when the Kelemvorites were running around Winya on a witchhunt for Arcane Archers who imbued their arrows with negative energy... just reminded me of this. |
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| Author: | TormakSaber [ Sun, May 02 2010, 15:19 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
Characters have different thoughts and ideas, even worshippers of the same deity. See: Kelemvorite Topic. |
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| Author: | MoshingChris [ Sun, May 02 2010, 15:54 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
If i recall those imbued arrows have drain effects on them, perhaps thats it? Not that it matters different strokes for different blokes. My Pally will assualt you for multiple uses of Wiltings, whilst others wont. |
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| Author: | BrainSplitter [ Sun, May 02 2010, 17:16 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
Either way. Negative Energy, along with Positive Energy, are both just that. Energy. Different forms and origins, but neither is good nor evil. How your character percieves these two directly opposed energies, however, is completely up to the character. Does this thread need to exist longer? |
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| Author: | Azure_Lord [ Sun, May 02 2010, 20:37 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
Undead use negative energy to continue existing. Undead absorb the energy of life all around them, and thus around them it is usually cold. (This is from a D&D supplement, 3.5, Libris Mortis). Positive Energy is life, and Negative Energy is death or the draining of life. All in all, it's your view point that matters. Are all Undead evil? No. (Don't argue, they aren't. [Baelnorns will slap you if you argue! Srinshee to name a famous one.]) The act of animating undead, is it evil? It varies on view point, once again! So as usual, view point and/or Religion will dictate this! |
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| Author: | Wyjyn [ Mon, May 03 2010, 0:25 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
To be fair, Baelnorns are quite a bit more complicated though. Elves tend towards Chaotic Good and while Baelnorns may not be evil overall, it wouldnt suprise me if their innate undead status is. Greater good type of thing, to my mind. |
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| Author: | Yurell [ Mon, May 03 2010, 1:20 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
It seems one of those things that could be debated for paragraphs on end. |
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| Author: | Grymia [ Mon, May 03 2010, 1:40 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
IMHO, because of what they are Baelnorn shoulda been classified under Deathless, NOT Undead. That, however is just me. |
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| Author: | Galenson [ Mon, May 03 2010, 7:15 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
Simple fix: Make sure your Paladin's worshipping Ilmater, declare the plea of rest and you can do whatever the hell you want for 10 days. Act responsibly though! |
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| Author: | Lutra [ Tue, May 04 2010, 21:51 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
Hehe...people believe that the EO is the most strict faction regarding necromancy. The Triunity of Necromancy what the Eternal Order made to use it as a guideline is not necessary acceptable for a paladin. I would rather say that some paladin may have stricter codes regarding necromancy then the EO. The difference is the way how they execute their duties. Yaston for example is definitely stricter then the Eternal Order in many way. The character who is using finger (which is considered as grey necromancy in the EO book) in front of him can end up as a pile of sausage. He would not burn, torture or anything like that. He will give you quick death. |
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| Author: | Yurell [ Tue, May 04 2010, 22:58 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
I love the combination of Black & Grey Morality in this game. |
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| Author: | Halecta [ Tue, May 04 2010, 23:10 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
Yep, negative energy is one of the 6 elements of creation: Fire Water Air Earth Posative Negative Neither are good or evil, just energy |
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| Author: | Lutra [ Tue, May 04 2010, 23:34 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
Yurell wrote: I love the combination of Black & Grey Morality in this game. *shrugs* if you compare it with modern day philosophy then you may be right. |
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| Author: | Yurell [ Tue, May 04 2010, 23:39 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
Nope, in comparison with High Fantasy, and other texts where the good guys are an unstained White and the sun shines out of their arses. Actually having a sense of grim reality to the game makes it all the more fun. It wasn't an insult at all, by the way, just a comment. I really do love it. |
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| Author: | DolphinRacer [ Wed, May 05 2010, 0:08 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
I can tell you I see Kelemvorites punish (not violently) people who use lower level negative energy spells. There was a huge argument in the square about this not long ago. I have to assume they frown on the use of weapons that are powered by the same energy. Something to do with it being against Kelemvors laws. That said negative energy is inherently not evil, but it ain't good either and since it is capable of most of nastiest spells and types of magic, and is most frequently wielded by evil people, it is usually considered evil. |
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| Author: | Gunz [ Wed, May 05 2010, 2:02 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
To be fair, positive energy can be just as destructive as negative energy. There's nothing worse about negative energy than positive energy, it's just the look and the connotations of the word itself, I believe. Negative, has it's obvious connotations of, well, negativity. And, of course, the deep red color which is the color of "Evil", demons, devils, blood, gore, etc. It's just the way certain people look at it and, in fact, how people are -trained- to look at it by society. |
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| Author: | Azure_Lord [ Wed, May 05 2010, 2:20 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
Regardless, it's not a Hit Or Miss subject, there is a lot of gray. And, you'll never find a definite 'correct' answer. As it is based upon your views. |
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| Author: | DolphinRacer [ Wed, May 05 2010, 2:24 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
o0GuNz_N_RoSeZ0o wrote: To be fair, positive energy can be just as destructive as negative energy. There's nothing worse about negative energy than positive energy, it's just the look and the connotations of the word itself, I believe. Negative, has it's obvious connotations of, well, negativity. And, of course, the deep red color which is the color of "Evil", demons, devils, blood, gore, etc. It's just the way certain people look at it and, in fact, how people are -trained- to look at it by society. There is also the whole association of negative energy with creating and fueling undead and positive energy harming them, coupled with the common belief, however wrong or right it is, that all undead are evil. |
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| Author: | Yurell [ Wed, May 05 2010, 2:27 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
DolphinRacer wrote: o0GuNz_N_RoSeZ0o wrote: To be fair, positive energy can be just as destructive as negative energy. There's nothing worse about negative energy than positive energy, it's just the look and the connotations of the word itself, I believe. Negative, has it's obvious connotations of, well, negativity. And, of course, the deep red color which is the color of "Evil", demons, devils, blood, gore, etc. It's just the way certain people look at it and, in fact, how people are -trained- to look at it by society. There is also the whole association of negative energy with creating and fueling undead and positive energy harming them, coupled with the common belief, however wrong or right it is, that all undead are evil. In another topic, Iron and I (amongst others) debated about whether the act of creating undead is evil. We finished with an agreement to disagree, I believe, each understanding the other's stance and approach. I do remember it was quite enjoyable, though. |
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| Author: | TormakSaber [ Wed, May 05 2010, 5:26 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Paladins + Negative Energy |
Creating Undead is Evil, it is in the spell's descriptors. It is not up for debate. Negative energy itself is not evil, but it is often used for evil things. |
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