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Godo
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 Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 4:30 AM |
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Joined: 26 Aug 2009
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Banned from about everywhere where players gather to RP then if Godo doesn’t leave he’s instantly killed has finally Gotten to me. Cordor I semi understand even though the thing that got him banned from there was because a elf taunted him and the auto attack kicked in, so there he was banned because of mechanics. Bendir because he shot arrows and used choking powder on a hin that was chasing him, fine except cant even be outside the gates not even to do some trading. The forest is the main one I do not understand, does some faction rigidly control every place on amia?
There are very few places that players of higher levels gather, seems like the only players I can RP with are the low level players, and lately they are the ones I actually can have some fun Rping with. Being told that Godo just needs to be more likable amazes me the most, he is a goblin, he is not supposed to be huggable and likable. I have very rarely gone out to kill anyone in PvP for I would rather have the encounter last and end with both surviving to have encounters later on. Why is there such a need by some to wave the your banned from here stick so leave or be killed as fast as possible, not allowing someone else that is trying to RP a monster race to have any fun for themselves while they are trying to create some fun for others? I now see the reason why there are very few monster races on Amia, well at least the evil annoying types, I do see some kobolds that are the huggable type here and there though.
Apparently the only place Godo is allowed to be to do some RP is in the frontier with the hopes that someone will walk by, about everywhere else that he is allowed in without being instantly killed is usually void of players or in hunting grounds where players are more interested in hunting then RP. Well anyway, I want to thank all those who I have had fun with over time but all this leave or be killed because you are banned from anywhere players gather has finally made amia no more fun for me, time for me to think on why I even show up just to either be alone or be killed as fast as possible because he is so called banned because Godo is not a huggable goblin.
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BrainSplitter
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 4:47 AM |
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Location: Victoria, Australia
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IC Actions = IC Consequences.
You're playing a goblin, as you say. A monster. A character that should never be undertaken lightly due to its expected status. Monsters are, ICly, on extremely short leashes and probably shouldn't be pissing off people; because they -will- react quite sharply once they discover you really are just a damn goblin.
I say the same to Kobolds, Tieflings, Drow, Chromatic DDs, Deurgar, Svirfneblin, Obvious Badguy Factions, and so on. ICly people will be -waiting- for an excuse to murder or remove you, especially common civilians and the governments they uphold - thus if you give them that reason, it's purely the result of your own actions.
If you want these external areas to have more activity; take them there. Drag people from the Frontier to the Brokentooth caves or something to RP. Same as any 'RP Hub' is made; initiative.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 5:08 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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I am afraid Ron's post is right.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 5:43 AM |
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Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Location: Down South and Bent Edge
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You should wear those IC Bans as badges of Honor in my honest opinion.
If your actually playing a non-huggaby monster race, I salute you and encourage more people to follow your lead.
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Nekhy
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 5:46 AM |
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Joined: 29 Dec 2009
Location: A beautiful fowl house in A'dam
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MoshingChris wrote: You should wear those IC Bans as badges of Honor in my honest opinion.
If your actually playing a non-huggaby monster race, I salute you and encourage more people to follow your lead. Idem. It's a rough ride for a properly played monster, but at least you're doing it right.
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soundofastream
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 6:03 AM |
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I've had this same problem with some of my monster race characters. That said, I've played with Godo on two servers and find him one of the best ever played monster race players and memorable characters around.
I do find that surfacer races tend to either treat you with extreme force (trigger happy pvp types) or just get annoyed with you OOC, rather than do what might be best for the RP, giving space so that both parties can enjoy the encounter with a bit of give and take.
I've kind of got annoyed with the pvp mechanics of NWN recently, since the mage class just bullies the rest into submission with very few exceptions to this rule. I like the Godo approach to conflict, whereby the aim isn't to "win" the conflict by extreme violence but to extend it out over several sessions, developing a storyline with it and having many players involved.
On the other hand, I'm extremely annoyed about the Underdark not being overly populated because all these monster races are hanging about in surface areas, which in turn, leads to other monsters having to do the same to interact with their cousins.
If the Godo's of the world and even huggable kobolds would only stay in L'Obsul, a critical mass of monster players would develop and the UD would be a great place to RP.
Godo isn't banned in L'Obsul. But I never see him there!
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Grymia
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 6:13 AM |
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Joined: 14 Dec 2004
Location: Kohlingen, and a Basement in Canada
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I have to admit so far my encounters with Godo, while not pleasant have always run out like they by reasonable consideration ought.
I'm pretty sure he didn't like being put up a tree by Vael after being defeated.
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Geld Yaztran
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 6:42 AM |
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Joined: 05 Jul 2006
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I agree with Grymia on the last note. I never like after death RP. I leave it ambiguous for the player of the character to decide...but that's my own opinion.
I think Godo would make a good addition to L'obsul RP. Believe it or not Godo your name is mentioned even when you are not around.
As for my encounter between Godo and Quar'agh, instead of getting pvp happy I just yelled "Goblin bandit!" and you got nervous and ran off, eventually to sneak up on a hapless couple. I actually liked the way you RP'd it out and give props for being a goblin, even being hated when you're not trying to be.
Believe me being a hated character has some advantages when you consider what villainous types are like. I'm sure you also find some characters who are always willing to communicate...am I wrong?
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Wyjyn
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 6:46 AM |
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I think his real problem is that the bans are so absolute. As someone who plays a character who gets banned very regularly, it can get a bit annoying solely because of the whole NPC guard situation. I honestly have to add that I sometimes wish goblins and even drow could get into Winya just so I could RP getting them out/arguing/whatever, maybe even growing to accept a few exceptions perhaps? However, I also understand that people need relief from that on a server where you cannot perma kill.
Personally, my solution would be less NPC guards. For example, i'd remove the outside golems from the shrine but leave the inner shrine guarded. I would have similiar done for Winya, as well. It gives players something to protect and do as local guard/militia groups. All of that said, I will concede that it would not be me dealing with the OOC complaints when someone comes along, loses a fight, then comes back 15 mins later and keeps hitting redo until they win. I like to have faith in the amian community, though, and in my experience most players respond fairly when you send them a tell asking them to stop being a noob. In fact, the sheer level of cooperation on amia from players is almost an impossibility. Same with most of neverwinter nights roleplay really. 15 minutes in counter strike will cure anyone of the belief that amia has a disruptive community.
To add further, as well, bans are a pretty unimaginative punishment. They may be ICly deserved, but they are a bit boring as well eh? Like, just to use an example, I would much rather an elf who was about to be banned from winya received some sort of more interesting punishment along the lines of a duty or some such rather than just closing the door on them. I'd rather this OOCly, even while my character is ICly more likely to just want a flat ban... maybe.
In short: Bans are bad because the NPCs force them perfectly and it stamps out roleplay, rather than what a more interesting form of punishment may provide.
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Grymia
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 6:50 AM |
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Joined: 14 Dec 2004
Location: Kohlingen, and a Basement in Canada
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TBH?
Ban's are an IC nescessity. You have someone who's doing the things that typically prompt bannings? Yeah, there's no realistic reason the person would be continually allowed where they're banned from.
And not all bans are completely one hundred percent persistant.
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Geld Yaztran
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 7:04 AM |
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Joined: 05 Jul 2006
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I agree with Wyjyn. Bans are mainly sort of player enforced because the players nag the DMs into it.
I will be frank.....I hate NPCs.
Not all of them. Just the many inevitably super strong supreme guards. When the truth is rather than have that, if a situation occured that required such powerful guards, most times something OOC, just don't bother and just hit the OOC kill button.
If the players can't control the situation or the player established guard.......well then it's their own fault isn't it?
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 7:08 AM |
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Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Location: On a Disk, carried by four elephants, which stand on a gigantic turtle.
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It's not really their fault though Geld. Because Timezones exist, and they will effect how things play out, because when an opposing group realises the guards aren't strong or around in a certain time frame, they will run in and abuse that fact. It's hardly fair to punish someone for the fact that they can't be up and on Amia 24/7.
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Dwagin
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 7:13 AM |
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Joined: 08 Aug 2006
Location: The Land of Nod
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I like my monsters to be treated like they are what they are.
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Wyjyn
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 7:26 AM |
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Joined: 11 Jan 2007
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Selvec Darkon wrote: It's not really their fault though Geld. Because Timezones exist, and they will effect how things play out, because when an opposing group realises the guards aren't strong or around in a certain time frame, they will run in and abuse that fact. It's hardly fair to punish someone for the fact that they can't be up and on Amia 24/7. Yeah, that is a valid point as well. A happy medium somewhere might also be nice eh? As in...NPC guards that will stop fighting if it should break out, but nothing more. The rest is up to player militia. Just a rough idea. This way, annoying goblin could enter an area but couldnt run in and pvp everyone in it. That said, not sure how a militia/PC guard force could escort the goblin out if he refused... The thing is that in FR, as well as real life, the police force/guards simply do not have anywhere near the level of coverage they do on amia. It can be a real dampener on RP in amia. While my character hates drow coming to Winya, I OOCly miss it. I miss scenes like the time Klagges the kobold came to winya and a sun elf stood up, broke his neck and chucked him over a cliff. Or the female shrine drow that came to Winya carrying food and flowers and one of the sun elves, same one that got klagges actually lol, just punched her straight in the face in front of everyone. None of this can happen anymore because they are all 100% banned by the fact that entry to the city is counted as metagaming the guards. Just my 2 cents, really.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 7:33 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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It comes about as aconsequence of actions. It's fun the first few times but eventually the DMs are tired of getting called in because that goblin is comnig around for his 30th pass and the players are tired of kicking him out. The players are frustrated because their RP is constantly 'interrupted' and the DMs are exasperated at needing to play babysitter in cities.
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Wyjyn
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 8:49 AM |
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Rarely, though, are choices limited to pure positives or pure negatives. If they were, they would not really be choices at all save for perhaps some of us with self-destructive leanings:D. The cost of having people banned using NPC guards is that you miss out on some potentially great conflict and subterfuge roleplay, as well as the roleplay of your antagonists coming on an off chance for a meeting.
EDIT: There is also a second cost, which is that those who can call in DMs readily to possess NPCs have more opportunities IC. Kind of sucks imo.
For instance, if a drow rescued an elf and was being chased by a massive drow party the drow might think of running to Winya for respite and that could all potentially lead to that drow being accepted to some degree by the sun elves. However, if that drow is banned from Winya by NPC guards that cannot happen despite it being potentially very interesting roleplay.
Even if nothing changes, I get the OP's point.
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 10:23 AM |
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Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Location: On a Disk, carried by four elephants, which stand on a gigantic turtle.
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Perhaps then some PC's need to have the authority to overule the NPC guards? Obviously not all, but those who are given trust perhaps?
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maglorine
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 11:20 AM |
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BrainSplitter wrote: IC Actions = IC Consequences.
You're playing a goblin, as you say. A monster. A character that should never be undertaken lightly due to its expected status. Monsters are, ICly, on extremely short leashes and probably shouldn't be pissing off people; because they -will- react quite sharply once they discover you really are just a damn goblin.
I say the same to Kobolds, Tieflings, Drow, Chromatic DDs, Deurgar, Svirfneblin, Obvious Badguy Factions, and so on. ICly people will be -waiting- for an excuse to murder or remove you, especially common civilians and the governments they uphold - thus if you give them that reason, it's purely the result of your own actions.
If you want these external areas to have more activity; take them there. Drag people from the Frontier to the Brokentooth caves or something to RP. Same as any 'RP Hub' is made; initiative. The Svirfneblin maligned as a "monster" race while you fail to even mention Orogs, Ogrillions, and Hobgoblins? To say nothing of Sun Elves? People waiting in line to murder and remove us? *gasp* I am shocked and chagrined oh dearest Ron. This outrage cannot stand. I demand an immediate retraction or you may find a tunnel under Eary's residence and the fleas of a thousand rothe inhabiting his bed linens! Svirfneblin are *gnomes* and therefore loved and respected the world over. Harmless, lovable, *non-evil*, little bundles of ingenuity and "dirt under the fingernails" work ethic. The only race able to scratch an itch on their shins without even bending over! Obviously if they were not loved, figurines of them wouldn't be decorating lawns in tribute to our greatness. I don't see any "lawn elves" round here but maybe things in upsidedown land are different. For convenience your apology and retraction may be placed here > __________________________ .
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BrainSplitter
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 12:19 PM |
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Joined: 06 Apr 2005
Location: Victoria, Australia
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I apologize for overestimating your ability to be intersting characters, then.
Sorry!
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Godo
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 15:11 PM |
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Joined: 26 Aug 2009
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TormakSaber wrote: It comes about as aconsequence of actions. It's fun the first few times but eventually the DMs are tired of getting called in because that goblin is comnig around for his 30th pass and the players are tired of kicking him out. The players are frustrated because their RP is constantly 'interrupted' and the DMs are exasperated at needing to play babysitter in cities. As far as I have seen there are only really three cities that players hang out in, Cordor, Bendir, and gilderon. Godo doesn’t enter Cordor at all, lately hasn’t been to Gilderon and doesn’t enter inside the gates of Bendir. Outside the gates of Bendir however is considering metagaming the NPC as well, being banned from Bendir shouldn’t include outside their gates especially since its a major crossroads of trade routes. As far as the forest is concerned I can not see any of the forests as bannable or ownable to be banned from, the groves and such yes, the forests no. As far as interrupting others RP, well that is mainly on them for enforcing a ban of a Goblin in the forest that is just there watching them from behind a tree or from running from tree to tree to listen in. Most times they interrupt their own RP just because a Goblin is in the area and want him removed because he is so called banned. The main time Godo initiates hostile actions towards another player is when he comes across the lone adventurer or stalks a group of adventures to try and rob or catch one broken from the group, most other times it is the other players initiates the hostility and PvP actions against him, rarely does Godo do the first strike, barring a choking powder to obscure his running away to hide. The chase I enjoy but that is up to them to do so, it is their own interruptions of their RP for doing so not mine. It is the few that take this banning of a area to the extreme and say you are banned from here so you have to go or we will kill you, even when Godo isn’t doing any harm or hostilities whatsoever that seems to have caused the most problems. One of the main problems I know I create for myself is that I hate killing other players so I go out of my way not to do so. Even in PvP where just one or two more hits I would kill them I back off or try and run away just to be killed most times by death magic or dev crit or even bigbied then beaten to death. Several times that has led to some post death RP for the other players and I enjoy watching that greatly, even though I am not doing anything but moving Godo around to where they carry him as a corpse. Most times though it is just a fast kill, carry to a cliff or something and dumped. As far as going to the UD, since my system went poof and I had to redo everything I have not been able to correct some problem I have with that area and a few others like frozenfar, my graphics only shows me floating above items and there is no floor. I am still trying to figure that out. I also however do not like UD B that much at all. The transition style there is not really player friendly and especially not Rogue friendly, especially to the stalking type rogue.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 15:39 PM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!
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What is gilderon?
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 15:50 PM |
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Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Location: Down South and Bent Edge
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Guldorand
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Godo
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 16:05 PM |
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Sorry for misspelling it.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 16:07 PM |
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Location: Down South and Bent Edge
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Don't worry about it, for a year I thought Winya Ravana was Winya Refanna
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 16:30 PM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!
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I didn't understand that "uhm" was a city until like a year ago also. I just thought people wrote a gulping sound when they said uhm.
So yea, no harm in misspelling.
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Qabbal
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 16:55 PM |
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I feel the need to share a little bit on this subject. Fairly new to Amia so feel free to ignore as some of you will anyway.
Having played a Monster race on a different server I understand the frustration. For this post, lets just call the race Spawn.
To play a Spawn it was clearly stipulated that you were to stay out of ALL cities and in the wild you were kill on sight to any other players. You were a monster after all.
It did make it very difficult to equip the Spawn as you had to rely on using what you could find and finding someone to ID items if you did not have the skill.
Anyway, back on track. What you ended up with was folks not RPing anything, getting PvP happy and you having to kill them and keeping an ear as a trophy.
In relation to Godo's initial post, it sounds like there are two problems really. One has to do with what the players do and the other has to do with game mechanics.
The mechanics side to a banning would require some work to change. I have not experienced it, but it sounds like the banning sets the NPC guards hostile to the character so they are killed if they are noticed. Is that right?
If the monster is not allowed in the city/area due to rules or a banning, why not make it impossible to enter and leave the areas outside the walls alone (mechanics wise.)
This is where the work would come in. Gates or transitions would have to be scripted to check the character upon activation. This might mean moving the player on activation and making the gate not actually openable in order to keep folks from sneaking in when someone else opens it.
Not allowed in the town? Check subrace and ban flag against that area's criteria. Guard says "You aren't supposed to be here! Move along or we'll fill you with arrows."
Player reactions are difficult to regulate and the monster is usually going to be attacked. Sometimes there will be RP to back it up and sometimes not so much.
~Qabbal
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ainjyll
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 18:45 PM |
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I've never really dabbled with a true monster race, the closest I've gotten are my drow and my Banite, both of which are more metaphorical monsters instead of literal monsters. Yet, I do understand the frustration that comes with being banned from areas. It was a massive undertaking to try to get an ammo bag from Kohl when I wasn't allowed in Kohl. Yet, it made it all the more worthwhile once I got it. Playing a monster race isn't supposed to be easy and I'd never recommend it to someone who wasn't a veteran RP'er. I've never really had any interaction with Godo short of seeing him hiding behind a tree trying to listen into a conversation one of my characters was having, but from what others have said, I take it that you're a quite accomplished RP'er and I think you may find that this is just a bit of temporary frustration. You could always start a campaign to get unbanned from whatever area you wish. I can't speak for the rest of the Banite players, but if my Banite ran across a goblin in Guldorand, she'd be curious, but I don't think she'd kick him out immediately. Remember, even a goblin can pretend to be cuddly if it'll get him somewhere.  _________________  "I once took the high road and it took me straight to hell and I stood there all by myself." -Hank III
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Godo
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 19:11 PM |
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Thank you ainjyll, I am sure you are right that it is a temporary frustration. I do not mind the hardships of being a Goblin, especially being one that causes conflicts. Its just the end conflict RP as fast as possible by killing the goblin as fast as you can with instant kills that bothers me the most Kill it, get rid of it, then forget about the pest.
Qabbal, the bans are not enforced by mechanics. I am still able to walk into Cordor and Bendir but since he’s banned from there I try my best to respect that. In the forest however is a different matter as is with outside the gates of Bendir. I do not see why others want to try and force a ban outside the gates of Bendir or in forests themselves, inside the cities makes more sense then saying your metagaming the NPCs when outside the cities, aren’t those guards there to keep things from entering the city rather then remove those not even trying to enter it?
Even in Cordor, aren’t there areas where guards aren’t guarding certain entrances like the sewer entrances? Even posing as a fey I am told that I can not enter there without DM supervision.
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blackvswhite
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 20:09 PM |
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yep. there are definitely ways to reach the inside without encountering guards, but when you get out of the sewers, there they are. even in south cordor *sadface*
and bans completely prevent further RP. its just a bad way to punish someone who is RPing well... sure its ICly logical, but its OOCly anti-fun. Not to say no one should ever be banned.... but its just a pesky little goblin, not some necromancer hell bent on razing the city. A temporary ban or a fine and jail time would be much better for the RP of the group as a whole
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Grymia
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 20:19 PM |
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Joined: 14 Dec 2004
Location: Kohlingen, and a Basement in Canada
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The decision to ban on a permanent basis isn't based off of a singular instance of trouble.
In most cases it's based on a history of sufficient length to justify that the person is not simply being reactionary, tempermental or even facing specific situations.
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Ego680
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 20:36 PM |
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Joined: 12 Jul 2008
Location: Flying Battery Zone
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Speaking from my considerable experience with city banning, I agree that yes it gets irritating, especially with trying to find travel hubs (I HATE portals...) but I'm a stickler for IC consequences. You played a goblin, so my advice is to get creative about it as I don't see bannings going away anytime soon for a variety of reasons, many of which I've likely contributed to.
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Demented Doctor
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Posted: Wed, Apr 14 2010, 21:08 PM |
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Joined: 04 Aug 2009
Location: My mess of a studio
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banings are always going to be a touchy suject. sense they are most often done by a PC guard there is going to be different situations on each ban and because of that the PC guards will all have a different way of dealing with it weather it be perma ban or temp.
now i have to disagree with the statment that drow chramatic are treated the same as monster PCs. sense amia has such a large non evil drow population many PCs don't react to them with hostiled from what i've noticed. infact my human cleric guye has been treated with more hostile actions then drow and teiflings that he has been in parties with. and i hate to say it but RDDs are used so much they don't have much of an effect really with the great number of them people have just started RPing accpeting them unlike monster PCs which are some of the least played.
what the problem is as i see it that people don't want to RP in different areas so anyone outside of the areas is left with little or no RP just like godo has said. so we are forced to start RP up though it does usually end with characters being killed, scorned, and mocked which is ok if theres good reason though many times either the reason escapes me or it's a habbit many people have to act high and mighty after wining PvP. but thats not somthing people like every RP. amia is for role play of many kinds from normal PCs drow and monster, it seems the groups just don't like to RP togather.
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Craig deathwalker
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Posted: Thu, Apr 15 2010, 0:16 AM |
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Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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IC actions have IC consequence. Make the rp come to you instead of going to it, cordor east RP IMO is dull, and consists of people waiting for something to happen. Most of the people who I have talked to merely miss it because it is no longer an option for them.
Look at the banites, they are banned from cordor, khol, bendir and yet they continue to create RP. They havent just started doing this but instead for years have been spreading the influence of bane, and have become very successfull about it.
Im pro realism of the realms on amia, and even a city of tolerance has its limits. However I do believe that amia should now relfect the far greater evil presence on the isles.
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Gunz
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Posted: Thu, Apr 15 2010, 0:34 AM |
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Joined: 01 Jul 2006
Location: The City of Fallen Angels, Ca
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I understand the frustrations of playing a monster race, but you chose to play that race so you should be ready for the horrible things that come with it. You -will- get hostile reactions, you -will- get placed in PvP situations, you -will- get bans handed to you.
That's the way it is. You've done pretty well so far at being a good sport and dealing with the consequences of Godos actions and the consequences of being the race that he is. You should feel lucky you even have the chances of going into Cordor and Bendir Dale at start. Drow don't get that luxury. They have to earn it or lie there way to it. I wish Kobolds, Goblins and others had to do that too, but I digress.
I'm sure this is a momentary feeling of frustration. If not, than you should consider making a new character. There's no fun in playing a character if you're not having fun. I'm an advocate of creating an alt to your main. It helps keep you from getting frustrated about things with your main I feel. That might be something to try. Keep in mind that the point is to create a character that's very different from what you already have.
As for the forest situation, there's nothing megagamey about you going to the forest at all. You're free to go to the forest all you like. -But-, because of the things Godo has done, you should expect trouble from PC's. There's nothing bad, uncool, lame or unfair about Druids, Rangers, etc. trying to keep the forest they call home safe. A forest ban is a ban in the same sense that walking through the Skull Crags will get a Banite foot up your butt or that Underdark Drow are going to beat you down if you go there. In other words, it's all PC driven and there's nothing you're doing that's wrong if you go there, remain there and succeed at doing so. And, to be honest, you shouldn't be surprised that Godo is met with hostility in the forest after all the things he has done -- which I won't mention.
Again, I imagine it's just kinda getting to you right now, just take a break for a bit. There's nothing wrong with that. If something IC is ticking you off that bad, there's something wrong with the picture, imo. A game shouldn't boil your blood like that. So yeah, give it some time. No need in letting it bother you so much.
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speedgrab
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Posted: Thu, Apr 15 2010, 8:09 AM |
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Joined: 07 Apr 2008
Location: That England place (Gmt+0)
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Craig deathwalker wrote: Look at the banites, they are banned from cordor, khol, bendir and yet they continue to create RP. They havent just started doing this but instead for years have been spreading the influence of bane, and have become very successfull about it. there are alot of anites and few goblins n other various races as such which are "monsters" though not saying your point is invalid just saying its alot harder for it to happen with goblins n such _________________ ~ Dill Buck-tooth ~ Alan Snowfall ~
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TeroSNS
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Posted: Thu, Apr 15 2010, 8:24 AM |
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Joined: 26 Jan 2009
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this post reminds me so much of my first months in amia. It seemed I gained a bad mood every other day, due to my character being killed (by cyricists, I hate them so much still) or ooc sayings like "you shouldn't play here, go away". But the difference is, that even if I felt bad for a little while, I decided not to quit becouse I had some hardship. I had experience in PnP, and I think I am way better RP'er than anyone who have recently arrived and have no previous experience(no offense meant to anyone!) So I thought screw others and I just keep playing, there must be someone who likes to rp with me. I started to rp my characters that they are likable by everyone though. I indeed found good rp moments, and I learned the ways of amia and rp servers in general  what I always will remember that I went to hunting into sewers, and I didn't know about the hunting rights rule(is it still missing from the forums?), and there was someone and I just walked through and he/she reported me to dm. I crapped my pants back then lol, thought i'd be banned before level 5 of first character. I think someone asked what TBH means. it's short for "to be honest" And I'd like to rp with godo, if he is a good character(not in alignment sense, heh). I have good experience with nifty goblins xD _________________ My favourite sniper loadout: Huntsman, jarate, bushwacka. Team Fortress 2 is FREE TO PLAY! 
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Thu, Apr 15 2010, 8:24 AM |
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Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Location: On a Disk, carried by four elephants, which stand on a gigantic turtle.
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I have the urge to sing a song about this threads title <_<.
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TeroSNS
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Posted: Thu, Apr 15 2010, 8:26 AM |
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Joined: 26 Jan 2009
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Selvec Darkon wrote: I have the urge to sing a song about this threads title <_<. do it. _________________ My favourite sniper loadout: Huntsman, jarate, bushwacka. Team Fortress 2 is FREE TO PLAY!
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Thu, Apr 15 2010, 8:32 AM |
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Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Location: Down South and Bent Edge
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No place for a monster race, you can't face the realisation that you've been displaced. You started a thread, which will end up dead, like your gobo if he gets it into his head, to try and shop in cordor for his butter and bread!
w3rd!
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Thu, Apr 15 2010, 9:06 AM |
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Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Location: On a Disk, carried by four elephants, which stand on a gigantic turtle.
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I started writing a diddy actually hahaha, but lost inspiration half way. Quote: No place for a monster race.
Where grubby little buggers, who stabbed our own mothers,
No place for a monster race.
Banned from every city, cause we ain't so pretty.
No place for a monster race.
And we ain't takin' it no more, no more.
No we ain't gonna take it no more.
(Goblin)
I was born in a cave with a bunch of little runts.
My mother tried to eat me so I stabbed her in the gut.
My brothers tried to beat me and make me cry,
So I gutted them all and thats how I survived.
I killed my first goody at the age of two.
I ate out his eyes, stole his fingerbones too.
And when his friends came lookin's with swords and spears,
My whole tribe got them, yea we ate good then.
We raided their houses, we attacked their towns,
We killed their woman, and burned the places down,
And we caught the ire of the local paladin group,
and thats when it all started going to poop,
I wanted in to buy some gear,
and a paladin stabbed me in the rear.
Gave me a punch and shoved me outside,
I'm bloody lucky I actually survived,
So when it goes down there this is the truth,
There ain't no place for a monster race.
Yea there ain't no place for a monster race,
Still stabbin them buggers, and like ain't no other,
No place for a monster race,
We runnin'from goodies, cause they wantin' ta loot us,
No place for a monster race,
and we ain't takin' it no more, no more,
No we ain't gonna take it no more.
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Craig deathwalker
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Posted: Thu, Apr 15 2010, 9:57 AM |
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Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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speedgrab wrote: Craig deathwalker wrote: Look at the banites, they are banned from cordor, khol, bendir and yet they continue to create RP. They havent just started doing this but instead for years have been spreading the influence of bane, and have become very successfull about it. there are alot of anites and few goblins n other various races as such which are "monsters" though not saying your point is invalid just saying its alot harder for it to happen with goblins n such When I roleplayed within the banites a year or two ago, there was only a handfull of us who constantly played with each other. Even if there where two of us we still kept to our mission of claiming the crags as ours, and took on whomever came to us. The banites numbers have certainly grown, but what they are doing now is preatty much the same as before. _________________
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Moonangel
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Posted: Thu, Apr 15 2010, 10:09 AM |
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Joined: 28 Nov 2009
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My suggestion would be to just make Godo friendly and more peaceful. You could play him up like a merchant maybe? Or a bard/jester? There's several goblins and kobolds that are doing well and are mostly tolerated.
You said you attack travelers when alone and rob people when they are vulnerable, so course you'll be banned from places even if you ''just hang out/watch people from behind trees'' (ie wait for his chance to strike or attack the weak). Could be wrong but it seems the bans are not due to playing a monster race but because of playing a hostile and conflict seeking character.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Thu, Apr 15 2010, 10:32 AM |
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Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Location: Down South and Bent Edge
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Nice Troll.
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Moonangel
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Posted: Thu, Apr 15 2010, 10:38 AM |
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Joined: 28 Nov 2009
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Serious post, remember Puff the bard, or the tenek tribe? If you play your kobo or goblin like one of the random spawns from the outskirts, people will want to kill you, or seeing they can't, keep you away. You kind of have to make them friendly or at least acceptable and non threatening to work as a pc.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Thu, Apr 15 2010, 10:46 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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The fact that you used the Tenek tribe shows you knw nothing about the Teneks nor kobolds period. Puff I won't comment on since that's Mahtan's character and he can do it himself if he wants. Quote: Could be wrong but it seems the bans are not due to playing a monster race but because of playing a hostile and conflict seeking character. Nyet. Nice try though, Valas.
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Gunz
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Posted: Thu, Apr 15 2010, 11:26 AM |
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Joined: 01 Jul 2006
Location: The City of Fallen Angels, Ca
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There's a place for both good and evil -- and neutral of course -- on Amia. He doesn't need to bend and make his Goblin good. Goblin are evil and he likes it that way. Good for him and more power to him.
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Geld Yaztran
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Posted: Thu, Apr 15 2010, 12:39 PM |
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Joined: 05 Jul 2006
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I agree with guns on this one.
Honestly telling him to be a good goblin is like telling him to RP badly(no offense).
So you're banned from Cordor and Bendir. You SHOULD be banned from Cordor and Bendir based on race alone TBH.
Forest, I'd say no...but it wouldn't mean you'd be safe there.
I used to see alot of "Buck-Tooths". I also noticed a decline, which is sad cause i liked their RP, along with the Flargs, a hobgoblin/bugbear based faction.
I think the problem lies in the fact that said creatures ARE KoS. No it doesn't mean that any player can kill you when they want...it just means almost anyone you will come across will find an RP reason to kill you based on your race(which I find odd honestly because we can't kill because of what race we are...but we can get killed because of it).
What I think IMHO is that most of these factions are driven to death by the mainy goodly characters who feel they can initiate PvP solely based on race/faction ties.
The problem also lies in the fact that most evil characters have to walk on egg shells to intiate PvP, while goodly folks can just do it, get away with it, and somehow still come out clean.
What stems from this is that: The numbers of goodly fanatics>the numbers of evil fanatics...which is odd because fanaticism in and of itself, is actually evil...rendering most goodly fanatics as ones not even playing the alignment right.
So what you have is merciless good guys and merciful forces of evil.....not something I particularly enjoy....when it should be opposite.
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Nysor
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Posted: Thu, Apr 15 2010, 12:50 PM |
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Joined: 03 Oct 2008
Location: Wherever it is, it better not be cold
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Geld Yaztran wrote: What stems from this is that: The numbers of goodly fanatics>the numbers of evil fanatics...which is odd because fanaticism in and of itself, is actually evil...rendering most goodly fanatics as ones not even playing the alignment right.
So what you have is merciless good guys and merciful forces of evil.....not something I particularly enjoy....when it should be opposite. Killing a banned goblin isn't fanaticism. Its doing an IC job, no matter how grisly it is. If the player of the character being killed wants to change things, that's their responsibility; the banning is set in some PC's minds, and if you want that to change, you need to RP it. You also fail to take in the neutral alignments, who just prefer to get things done most of the time. Its not just about the zeal of killing an intruding evil. Rather, its about removing what has been potentially harmful in the past before it can make more harm. In short, as most have said, and as the general rule of role-play goes: IC consequences for IC actions.
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Yurell
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Posted: Thu, Apr 15 2010, 12:53 PM |
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Joined: 06 Jan 2008
Location: ANU, behind the coffee mug (+10 GMT)
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FTR Fanatacism in and of itself is not evil.
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Merrien
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Posted: Thu, Apr 15 2010, 13:03 PM |
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Joined: 03 Jan 2005
Location: Deep in the Heart of Texas
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Geld Yaztran wrote: The problem also lies in the fact that most evil characters have to walk on egg shells to intiate PvP, while goodly folks can just do it, get away with it, and somehow still come out clean.
What stems from this is that: The numbers of goodly fanatics>the numbers of evil fanatics...which is odd because fanaticism in and of itself, is actually evil...rendering most goodly fanatics as ones not even playing the alignment right.
So what you have is merciless good guys and merciful forces of evil.....not something I particularly enjoy....when it should be opposite. While I don't want to derail a good topic, I'm really glad you mentioned this, Geld. I've had more ooc issue with how folks are playing good than evil as of late, simply because the fanaticism. I understand paladins, etc. being more fanatical, but so many good aligned are more . . . well, it's lawful stupid vs. chaotic stupid. I enjoyed what I saw of the Bucktooth as well, and definitely think he should not change his character's alignment just to fit into the cities. I'd say with the other posters to try and hang in there and see if your frustration eases up; dunno if you like alts or not, but a big reason I have several characters is so I have something else to do/play if I'm tired of or frustrated with a capacity of another of my characters' RP. Don't do anything rash during your temporary frustration though! Hopefully it will get better. It'd be nice to see less knee-jerk RP . . . you can express your digust/hatred, etc. for a monster race without resorting to PvP. EDIT: seeing as I'm apparently a slow typer this morning, I'd say no, fanaticism in and of itself is not evil. But it sure is annoying. _________________ 
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