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My head hurts. A tale about DCs
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Author:  AlphaWaves [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 6:06 AM ]
Post subject:  My head hurts. A tale about DCs
Okay, I've moaned about DCs in the past, and here it comes again.

Surely there's got to be a different system that doesn't rely on rare DM availability / being in the right place at the right time etc.

Now, I shy away from large DM events, or large PC crowds in general, so straight away I can see part of the reason I seldom get DCs. And of course, my RP is arguably a major part.

It kinda bums me out when I see loads of folks with some fancy DC item waving around or something for their special race and I'm still saving up for a familiar reskin for near a year. (last year, that was. Not any more)

I feel left out, and I'm sure there are many others too. There has to be, right?

Over the years I've had plenty of ideas but get put off by the fact that it costs X CDs.

I know this entire post is a whine and whinge blah blah blah, but seriously, can't I have cool stuff too please?

Are DCs really the only way to be granted things? I'm really losing heart.

Edit: I must add: I don't play to get DCs. I play to have fun etc, to enjoy RP with others. But it's just disheartening seeing others with stuff that'd take 2 years of constant play (at my rate.. and I play pretty much all day every day, and have no job or school to go to!).
Author:  Yurell [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 6:37 AM ]
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I find it mostly to be a DM coverage issue myself. Huzzah for timezones.
Author:  Peeves [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 6:38 AM ]
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We do try our very best to be everywhere at once, but it can get taxing.
I know you don't like to play to get DC's, but if you think that someone around you deserves a DC, take the time to whack them with your wand! It gets our attention, and we are more likely to come round. Everyone wins! Yay.
Author:  AlphaWaves [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 7:02 AM ]
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Heh. Don't take it the wrong way, but I expected both those answers, Yurell & Poor Vincente.

The trouble is with your suggestion, Peeves, is that I use it a fair amount, and I am sure DMs are generally busy with other things. Either setting up a plot or dealing with hundreds of PC maintenance issues. Also depends on which of the two servers you're on.
2 or 3 days ago there were 5 DMs on A, none on B. And I'm sure all of the DMs on A had a perfectly good reason to be on A.

In other words, it's not any fault of DMs or players that aren't using the wand ,which to be fair, and I've said a few times before, before the wand came to exist I recieved more DCs per month than I did after its introduction.

It's the whole DC system. It's flawed, and it bums me out.
Author:  Peeves [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 7:14 AM ]
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I'm sorry that you feel that way. Do you have an idea for a better system? We are certainly open to suggestions.
Author:  AlphaWaves [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 7:18 AM ]
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I don't really play on other servers to how other people do things. Therefore, my suggestions are nil.
Author:  P Three [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 7:46 AM ]
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Honestly, I totally agree.

After telling Arcane I had zero DCs and have gotten but three or four in the last few months, there was a moment of silence before the reply of...

"But all you /do/ is RP. You hate grinding."

I don't know if it's coverage, or you all don't like my RP, or whatever it is, but I also don't RP to get DCs, but when it'll reasonably (at this rate) be six months before I can afford Ana's summon reskin, IF I don't spend /any/, yes. It /is/ disheartening, and when others are pulling down DCs left and right for the same RP I'm doing, well....

It's not pleasant.
Author:  Roppi [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 7:53 AM ]
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I share your sentiment and do agree that it is disheartening when you cant afford a DC for a placeable, much less 10 DCs to change a summon skin etc.
With how rare DCs are given out, the high cost for the "cool stuff" just comes across as an insult to injury.
Something gives hopefully, be it the DMs loosening up with handing out DCs or the price for fancy stuff like skin changes drops abit.


At the risk of being flamed, i read the economy topic and frankly, that system where one farms and proportionally gets a chance for loot is far fairer then the DC system.

But on a brighter note, I appreciate Amia doesn't have a "DC to level up" policy like some servers do. :lol:
Author:  jenmeme [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 7:58 AM ]
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Personally I wouldn't mind some sort of DC to level up policy. Less mobs, more DM events, and more outright RP could be awesome....

*No I am not one of those ppl who get DC's all the time, and havn't gotten but like 10 since I started on the server, and I do like to think I am a descent roleplayer*
Author:  HellScourge [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 8:21 AM ]
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I remember a day when I got about 3 DC's in a single Rp sessions. Luck? perhaps. Chance? probably.

But that was in 2008.

So far I have seen only 1 or 2 more DC's I think.

(I still could bite my ass for spending some of them for leveling)

Overall have I been saving my DC's up for more than 6 months to make a tail request for my Tiefling (Am still 5 DC's off from it).

I would suggest a request system without DC's, but I can imagine that people would instantly spam and request all sorts of stuff without any RP or without regards to the power of it, etc. Plus it would open up a whole can of other problems which I can't imagine right now, but know will arise.



jenmeme wrote:
Personally I wouldn't mind some sort of DC to level up policy. Less mobs, more DM events, and more outright RP could be awesome....

*No I am not one of those ppl who get DC's all the time, and havn't gotten but like 10 since I started on the server, and I do like to think I am a descent roleplayer*


Forcing people to RP?

Players would just create a character to participate in this even and then that character would be gone, they would just come for the DC's and then use these for their Main Character.

It happened often enough in faction wars. Banites stir up some trouble, BAM, suddenly we got an influx of lots of new Banite PC's who all ride the wave of terror to hog some DC's. And as soon as it vanishes or becomes less rewarding are they gone too.
Author:  MoshingChris [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 8:26 AM ]
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Could do something with the wands.

But alas you would have to make the system so complicated it will far outweigh the benefits.
Author:  Yurell [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 8:28 AM ]
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Are the wands still 1 use / 2 resets?
Author:  P Three [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 8:31 AM ]
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Agreed, HS. been there for that. Kats must have brought in fifteen people in her short leadership that just....vanished after a few PVPs. Same can be said for the TKs, where people come and go fast enough to make the head spin.

And sadly, jenmeme...our opinions of our own RP, when it comes to this, don't mean diddly. We all thinkl we're great, and most of us are damn good..I've seen only precious few people whose RP /I/ have thought is /bad/, most of /them/ being people I've known from other servers. But it comes down to what the individual DM likes, and if any are even available...for a community this size we really do have precious few DMs.
Author:  TormakSaber [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 10:35 AM ]
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Here we go again.
Author:  Nex_addo [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 10:39 AM ]
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Quote:
I know this entire post is a whine and whinge blah blah blah, but seriously, can't I have cool stuff too please?


I'm just curious as to what cool stuff do you expect? You after epic powerful weapons? After custom races? Just Reskins?

DC are just another form of currency take that away and you get a system where the favoured would get even more. It's about fairness.

As for the how rare DCs are. I like it. Through all my time on Amia I am yet to redeem any kind of speical something through DCs. Two reasons behind that.

1. Back when I did get a few I burnt them on alts
2. I just don't really get that many 'Shrugs'

As for 2. I don't think i'm any worse of an RPer then the guy next to me maybe I am maybe i'm not. But to see other people complaining that they arn't getting many makes me feel that all of us don't get a huge amount. This I like that way when the time comes when we do redeem it will be a wonderous day.
Author:  TormakSaber [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 10:49 AM ]
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We don't intentionally make DCs rare. They are given out. The rate is ever increasing.

Players giving DC swill not happen. It is exploitable. Heavily. Ridiculously so.

No one ever seems to come up with a better idea, they just prefer to complain about the current one. This causes everyone invovled to become really tired, really fast, of the complaining. There is nothing we can do that will satisfy your complants other than to shower you with DCs, which means you are no longer being treated the same as any other player and we have thus broken the cardinal rule of the DC system.

Could we go to a DCless request system where you simply ask and possibly recieve?

Yeah.

But it would also mean the standards go WAY UP. And you all would have to deal with the fact that "No, because we say so, now go away" would be a viable answer, because of sheer volume. Many requesters today have... explicit issues dealing with a No answer. Even when given a real reason. I doubt it will be much better when we have to handwave requests because they do not meet an astronomically higher standard.

They are a way to regulate as well as make custom requests possible. Regulation is a side effect and not the intention. The latter is the intention. Perfect does not and will not happen, of course, but I have been around other servers, and not vey many of them allow "Requests" at all, and the alternate systems I have seen (I hate to be That Guy who brings up Arelith's level 30 diceroll thingy) are not very appealing to me, at all, and I suspect a lot of Amians would feel the same way. Our request system is simple: We have a lot of things you cna ask for, from the very cheap (1 DC gets you any placeable in the game that we can set down, 3 DCs gets you an imported appearance, custom visual, name and bio'd item, 5 for any visual effect) to the moderate (10 DCs gets you a custom skim for a creature, 15 a tail, cheaper scripted items end at about 20 [and custom scripting is basically verboten on any server aside from Amia, even those with requests]), to the expensive (very powerful items and armor (30-40 DCs), wings, that sort of thing).

In short, we do the best we can with what we have, this topic comes up every few months and does nothing but discourage people, cause bragging and ego issues and makes all the DMs feel bad because what we do is never enough and never will be for you, ever. No one has come up with a better system that doesn't involve DMs slogging through a slew of 'free requests', which we know woud happen because ever since the "Free" thing went in with rebuilds rebuilds are a good 65-70% of all requests made.
Author:  raskelf [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 11:33 AM ]
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Ive not been here that long... although ive dabbled with amia for a few years ive never played more than a few days at a time.. until a couple of months ago....when i decided to make it my new home

I love the fact that you can get dc's and use them for special things...
i think its one of the more atractive things this server has...

i ~do~ think timezones effect dc give aways, im british and yes i see only 1 or 2 dms on at a time.. i only play the busy times for my timezone too.. 7pm till 11pm.. coz i work and have a family life and i only play when my kids go to bed. I think the dms here do a great job also...

everything ive asked for ive gotten in so far as help etc etc.. from the dms i have talked to... and the responses have been so fast too.. (ive played other servers where youd be lucky to even get a reply from a dm in a week) but i know that the dms are doing stuff for players a lot and they sometimes dont have time to give out dc's ....

now my main characted is a female paladin and i rp about 75% or her time and hunt only 25% .... i have gotten 1 dc since ive been here.. dont get me wrong im gratefull for that... but i do think im unfortunate in the fact that some timezones are less covered than others...

Id love to get my something special... but its a long long way off... to get the dcs ive worked out at 1 every 2 months would take me 4 years and 2 months... now if youd rp'd your lil heart out for that length of time would that special something be all the more special...


And lets face it you can have uber stuff made with a good mage and some mythals..
if you want instant good weapons or items...

my 2 penny's worth..
and yea id like more dc's ..... but then wouldnt we all.....
Dont knock it.. its a lot better than other places.... believe me..

~nikki~
Author:  BrainSplitter [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 11:38 AM ]
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The Dream Coin system is flawed, however it is the least flawed system available to us.
Author:  IronAngel [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 11:42 AM ]
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Well, it wouldn't be impossible to implement a system to support the current DC system, in which players without DCs could request something special via DM quests with possibility of failure, if the DMs deem their merit high enough despite them having fallen through the cracks of the DC system.

It'd be no more impartial, though. I just like the idea of having to work for special DM loot, but it's not viable as the primary method of requesting on such a big server. It's probably easier to just stick with what we have.
Author:  Yurell [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 12:00 PM ]
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I like the current system, it works well. That isn't to say it is without its flaws, such as the timezone issue that seems to crop up a lot. Still, that is a matter of availability of DMs, and I'd much prefer the DM team remain with their current manner of hiring new DMs than to pick every Tom, D1ck and Harry just to cover the DCs in a timezone.
Author:  Sylfwe [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 12:10 PM ]
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Can't think of a better system that's not ridiculously complicated and just as ridiculously time-consuming.
Author:  P Three [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 12:45 PM ]
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I agree with Ron, but I also feel if you only play a couple hours a week, well, yeah, you're /going/ to get less DC's, so getting the same number as, like....my addicted ass, isn't really saying it's "fine".

I'm not suggesting we change it. I don't think there /is/ a more fair way to do it. All in all, even the DMs I argue with give me DCs, so I can't bitch and say they're "unfair" or whatever. I just feel like there are some times it (necessarily, but still) gets put on the back burner whereas, say, people who regularly RP with DMs end up getting more, even if the DMs aren't DMside.

Just a bit of input. I like the DMs. I think overall they're fair, and when I have issues, I don't feel afraid of bringing them up. I don't think they spend a lot of time being favouritist about DC's, and in the end, that's really all we can ask for.

Doesn't stop me from wishing I had more for all the time I spend RPing. But at the end of the day, I'm still gonna RP, 'cause I'm here for that. DC's are just a fun added bonus.
Author:  Ummma [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 13:03 PM ]
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The cool kids get the shiny things, the rest of us can just enjoy the game for what it is.
Author:  Mobile_Svensk [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 13:11 PM ]
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No DC's would reduce segregation.
Author:  Merrien [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 13:33 PM ]
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I do say we have a great DM team, and I don't want you guys/gals to feel unappreciated. I do think Alpha tried to emphasize that in his original post though, that this isn't a blame anyone post.

I agree it's a flawed system; I also agree that it's a helluva lot better than a lot of servers, and the DM team IS MUCH MORE responsive here, which is awesome. *Mad Kudos*

I do have a suggestion. It may be nixed and everyone will find 1,000 things wrong with it, but since everyone said there's no solution, here is a possiblity, if it can be tweaked or has any merits, we'll see:

I do like how you can nominate in game, that helps-- I believe I got one DC from a player nomination once and that was nice (and I haven't gotten many either, so each one is special :D) but perhaps we could have a nomination process on the forums as well. If a public forum for it would be too . . . buddy-buddy cliquish, perhaps there could be a PM account for it. And I know you wouldn't be able to catch that EXACT RP someone was nominated for, but it would be... example:

"Format for PM title - Your name/Player name/ Nominating: CharacterName/PlayerName: Usual Time Playing

PM body - Sam Screwy, played by RandomGuyX, is an awesome hin player, I saw him doing blah blah blah, and he did this and he's awesome-blossom and this is why"

*end example.

Not that such would compell any action, but makes the DMs (esp. those within those usual timezones) aware, so that they can try and watch for these RPers, and assuming they're not going //lol, omg port to me// when the DM sees them, perhaps they'd be doing something worth a DC.

AGAIN, still has flaws, still not perfect, but it is an alternative nominating system in addition to the in game one, and might help with coverage. If it seems like too much trouble, I'd understand that as well, but, just trying to come up with something to help a bit, for whatever that's worth :)

<3
M
Author:  Mobile_Svensk [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 13:35 PM ]
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#1 Flaw
Support back to back behaviour. When people cover each other's backs, and support each other.
Author:  Merrien [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 13:37 PM ]
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Very_Svensk wrote:
#1 Flaw
Support back to back behaviour. When people cover each other's backs, and support each other.


True, but just because the PM exists, doesn't mean they'd be doing anything DC worthy when the DM finds them in game.
Author:  AlphaWaves [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 13:48 PM ]
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Nex_addo wrote:
Quote:
I know this entire post is a whine and whinge blah blah blah, but seriously, can't I have cool stuff too please?


I'm just curious as to what cool stuff do you expect? You after epic powerful weapons? After custom races? Just Reskins?


Nothing in particular. I'm on about 4 years of seeing it. Though, to be honest there was a particular thing recently that prompted me to post this. But I won't get into it.
Author:  Nekhy [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 13:51 PM ]
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I find the DC system a bit like democracy: it's flawed and imperfect, but at the size of a server we got it's the best system we could possibly have to facilitate custom goodies at all as a reward for RP (excluding DM event stuff, but having such DM coverage for every player is out of this reality). Of course, we could just toss stuff out for the sake of it, but I think that would lose the game aspect of it all a bit.
Author:  Merrien [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 13:52 PM ]
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Nekhy wrote:
I find the DC system a bit like democracy: it's flawed and imperfect, but at the size of a server we got it's the best system we could possibly have to facilitate custom goodies at all as a reward for RP (excluding DM event stuff, but having such DM coverage for every player is out of this reality).


Agreed. I think that's why the only real suggestion I could come up with is above. It is a good system, just . . . some problems with it, of course.
Author:  Pony [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 13:53 PM ]
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I can understand the frustration of certain players who do not get nearly the amount of dream coins they deserve. I am sure the system is not completely balanced and fair (which is mostly my assumption based on what I heard from other people, as I do not have access to any statistics and so forth) and if I had any idea how to make it more so or had an idea for another system which would be better, I would of course suggest it right away. And pretty much what Nekh said.

I think the DMs have a better oversight than us players. They can see which people get the most Dreamcoins, why they do so more than others and see if there is a way for them to include others who they know to be just as deserving of such an amount.
Author:  Selvec Darkon [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 13:56 PM ]
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Tell them about the DM thing Tormak! Thats always fun to watch! I can have my little whine again, I felt really special after that :lol:. I think I still have the two paragraphs saved some place on my computer from last time around. :twisted:

There will NEVER be a perfect system for DC's. Thats that I'm afraid. Its the flaws of a system that requires humans to give the DC's. Trust me though when I say the flaws of a computer system doing it are 100x worse.

I think something that may aid in the coverage however could possibly be a dumping of inactives. Yes it's harsh and sounds mean, its nothing against the DM's who are inactive personally, but inactives are just that, inactive, and don't do anything. Spots in the DM team that could be given to people who could be doing something. I'm assuming that there is a theoritical ideal number of DM team members after all, and inactives count towards it given that they could come back and take a spot.
Author:  BrainSplitter [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 14:05 PM ]
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Inactives don't affect the Active DM Team at all, because we don't have a "Maximum" amount of DMs, nor hours, or anything of the sort. Inactives just look ugly on the DM List.
Author:  Selvec Darkon [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 14:07 PM ]
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BrainSplitter wrote:
Inactives don't affect the Active DM Team at all, because we don't have a "Maximum" amount of DMs, nor hours, or anything of the sort. Inactives just look ugly on the DM List.


Ugliness is a deformity that needs to be purged. Begin the purging.
Author:  Yurell [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 14:29 PM ]
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This may sound like a silly question, but if there are no DMs on on you have some RP that you think was grand, can you screeny and send to a DM? I wouldn't expect the sender to get DCs, but the others involved, if they would have deserved, surely deserve them when a DM is on or not.
Author:  Merrien [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 14:32 PM ]
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Yurell, that is an example of why/when my suggestion might be a helpful one. Is that something that the DMs think would be helpful to implement?
Author:  Geld Yaztran [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 14:55 PM ]
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I RP. I hate grinding. I would say my DC intake has mainly been relatively low, though my count has been picking up recently.

Now I can't expect a DM to be watching everytime I RP...whether good or not.

Also mind that while a DM has to handle player issues, fix stuff, answer questions, AND be able to watch that your RP has depth(For ALL 65 players)....


Yeah...it ain't happening. A Large reason I stopped complaining about this issue.

What I suggest is a DC payment plan. In this way instead of a DM having to grant one or two DCs, the player can get a rate of one DC per week for good RPing.

Those who prove not to be good RPrs or foul up...would lose pay.

The one thing that would change would be the DCs prices for items...as DCs would be more numerous due to the pay system.

In effect it would be almost a cross between Arelith's and Amia's reward systems.
Author:  Vaylek [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 15:02 PM ]
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I don't think this would work, guys. If it became the culture of the server to screenshot any RP we thought was good and send it to a DM with the hope of picking up a DC, the DMs would literally get overloaded with screenshots and lists on who to give DCs to. It would just clog up their duties and turn them off being a DM, well I imagine it would.

Only solution I see is more DM activity and perhaps more liberal distribution of DCs, but that's really an unfair thing to ask of an already very hardworking team.
Author:  Yurell [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 15:04 PM ]
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Vaylek wrote:
I don't think this would work, guys. If it became the culture of the server to screenshot any RP we thought was good and send it to a DM with the hope of picking up a DC, the DMs would literally get overloaded with screenshots and lists on who to give DCs to. It would just clog up their duties and turn them off being a DM, well I imagine it would.


Hence why I suggested not giving a DC to those who sent it, to discourage DC 'farming'.
Author:  Merrien [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 15:07 PM ]
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That's kind of why I was thinking of a set PM account or forum thread or something where it goes, and then if a DM has time or whatever, can look through. Or if one of the DMs wants to take it on more than the others, sort of like how some deal with requests more, some deal with X more, etc. it could be on their plate more. It is still an additional deal though, so maybe not desirable, but hey, I was making a suggestion for something that might help with coverage which seems to be the largest complaint.
Author:  Geld Yaztran [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 15:13 PM ]
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I like the constant pay idea better.

The whole submit a screenshot thing works to create player clique attitudes....


It already occurs on the RP praise thread.
Author:  Merrien [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 15:15 PM ]
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Geld Yaztran wrote:
I like the constant pay idea better.

The whole submit a screenshot thing works to create player clique attitudes....


It already occurs on the RP praise thread.


I don't think the current powers that be will like the constant pay idea . . . But the 2nd point is why I think a PM account would be better than a forum *nods*
Author:  Geld Yaztran [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 15:20 PM ]
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If the whole problem lies with how many DCs go out.....then the pay would be a great idea.

If it lies with you just not getting one when you think you deserve it...the problem lies with the fact you think so highly of your own RP....and that all boils down to opinion.
Author:  Merrien [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 15:24 PM ]
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Geld Yaztran wrote:
If the whole problem lies with how many DCs go out.....then the pay would be a great idea.

If it lies with you just not getting one when you think you deserve it...the problem lies with the fact you think so highly of your own RP....and that all boils down to opinion.


I'm actually trying to address coverage, as that seems to be more of what people are talking about . . . I have a pretty high opinion of most of the players RP here. I suppose I prefer to think of it as a coverage issue more than a DM standing around going "I see this person is RPing, but they suck." I dunno, maybe that happens, but . . . just trying to give benefit of the doubt on this.
Author:  Demented Doctor [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 15:35 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: My head hurts. A tale about DCs
The DC system seems to have it's flaws yes. and i dislike it myself. but as other have stated it's the least flawed. when I've played amia for about 9months now and not untill the last month have i really gotten many DCs. before then I RPd in remote places. within the last two months i started RPing in the forest and with the bucktooth and in both places i have been given more DCs then i got in 6 months and honestly some of the times i don't see why i was given a DC. places where DMs know theres good RP will be looked at before other places from what i've noticed. the DMs have a massive job trying to run the server and deal with all the problems and peoples troubles on the server. so I'd guess they'll try to keep things as easy for themselves as possible which they have every right to. if your looking to have your RP noticed maybe try posting in the RP priase thread so people hear about that RP. as for requests why not set up a choice from players(whiles this would be complicated) they chose between getting DCs or another system where they give up getting -any- DCs in exchange they would be alowed to make a request every so often say 3-4 months like with the free rebuilds. the request would be posted and they would be required to get references of sorts, people who can vouch for the RP behind the request. if the request seems reasonable and well done then the DMs could ask the refernces about the request and the player to see if they think the request should be approved or not. finaly to throw this out there while we're on the topic of requets, it seems some people request a special character and play them for a while before oging back to other characters. i have RPd with several special characters, but i have only seen two of these special character in later RP or even on the player list.
Author:  Selvec Darkon [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 15:35 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: My head hurts. A tale about DCs
Constant pay idea is dumb. If someone doesn't go on all week, and gets a DC, it's lame. If someone doesn't RP and spends it grinding or farming bosses all week they don't deserve a DC. I'd rather be rewarded rarely then encourage someones bad behaviour by rewarding them with everyone else.
Author:  Geld Yaztran [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 15:38 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: My head hurts. A tale about DCs
But Tormy expalined why that request system would not work. It would rely even further upon a DMs ruling.

With DCs, a player can say "I earned this"...and fork over the Dcs for it.

And with the DC pay system...the DMs wouldn't have to watch the same players who they know are good RPrs, allowing them to look at the RP of new players.

Though each DC would eventually be less in worth than the ones of old, and the prices for dc items would be increased, more people would have better oppurtunities to seek special DC things.


*edited* people who grinded wouldn't receive DCs at all. Also pay would be by amount of time spent in game. A DM that checks up on a person and sees them not RPing and such, can easily take that pay away.


If someone doesn't go on all week, then how would they receive the pay you are speaking abou when they are not even on?


Also based on this system, DCs could also be stripped, negating the idea that someone will get paid and never show up until they have rounded up DCs.
Author:  Demented Doctor [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 15:45 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: My head hurts. A tale about DCs
I simply threw an idea out there. with the system i had there you would have to say you don't want DCs and as i said 3-4months. if your not on then how can you get people to vouch for the RP? and if you do get somone to lie for you about it then it would be clear when they are asked about it? i know this idea isn't good but at least it's an idea.
Author:  Selvec Darkon [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 15:46 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: My head hurts. A tale about DCs
Geld Yaztran wrote:
But Tormy expalined why that request system would not work. It would rely even further upon a DMs ruling.

With DCs, a player can say "I earned this"...and fork over the Dcs for it.

And with the DC pay system...the DMs wouldn't have to watch the same players who they know are good RPrs, allowing them to look at the RP of new players.

Though each DC would eventually be less in worth than the ones of old, and the prices for dc items would be increased, more people would have better oppurtunities to seek special DC things.


*edited* people who grinded wouldn't receive DCs at all. Also pay would be by amount of time spent in game. A DM that checks up on a person and sees them not RPing and such, can easily take that pay away.


Checking up again. It sounds just as bad as the current system, except people will get away with it if they pop on during DM offline time and don't do much, then jump off when a DM comes online. Seriously, its not a good system. Auto payment never works on servers, its been tried before. Worse still, you can't tell if someone was grinding before you came online unless you check the logs, and thats even more of a hassle then DCing people and having decent coverage.

Also, quality of RP counts. People shouldn't be rewarded for RP thats trash. Such as RP thats a coversation on a gnomes lovely new pants, or cybering, or even the dreaded kiss kiss hug hug RP that so rarely ever gets DCed because its generally considered trash RP. The auto payment system is a very flawed system. More so then the current, and ends up causing as much if not more issues. Sticking with the current seems a better idea honestly.
Author:  Geld Yaztran [ Fri, Apr 23 2010, 15:50 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: My head hurts. A tale about DCs
Let me see if I can make this clear...all the things you are mentioning are things no player would get paid for...so please to explain how they'd get paid in the first place...to even receive pay?

See....the huggle people don't even get a first payment to receive ANY payment at all.

Also, if a player did go out of the way to avoid DMs/Grind/what have you...then...well....WHY would they get paid in the First place?

If they did good enough to get paid at all.....then well guess what? The player already proved themselves worthy enough to be allowed maybe one intance of huggles and such if they choose to..right?
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