Well. I was thinking of making a knight like character. One who does it sort of the medieval way you see. I was thinking either a fighter, fighter/cleric or a fighter/cleric/champion of torm. Here's the thing. I was thinking of going cleric as my main class, what I'm wondering is - what deity should I choose? I was thinking helm, yet I wanted this knight to not really care much for either of the sides of good or evil. He'd be dutiful, and serious much like Helm, not afraid of a fight, but would attack those he feels deserve it. I'm not saying like chaoticly doing so or anything. But basically like that. Any suggestions? Should I be a lawful evil cleric of helm? A neutral alignment? Been thinking on this for a while and I'm kind of wondering what others would think. Suggestions?

P.S. I'm not a huge fan of any paladiny type things. I like the code of conduct, yet he wouldn't harbor any hatred for undead, like he might not really like them to much, but he doesn't necessarily care one way or the other. He's not going to go out of his way to kill it, unless it's upsetting others around him.

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Every alignment could work.

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Davion Telemos - Monk of the Four Winds
Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham

This whole chivalry thread would have been a good place to ask this...

But yes, Knights, in a historically medieval sense were, well, people. Some did "good" things, some did horrible things, some liked the law, some slighted it at every chance.

It's...and open-ended question. Think of what you'd like to play. Find lore that makes sense and would support it. Go from there. I can't tell you that a LE knight of Helm is right for you. I can't tell you that a CG knight of Gwaeron Windstrom isn't up your ally.

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Since "knight" is just a title, even a Chaotic Evil maniac could be knighted by the right ruler.

Hm, that makes sense... Hm. I'm kind of confused on what I'm going for here. When I think about it, I might end up going with Lawful Evil, yet my summons would be devils, hmm. I suppose that doesn't matter much, I'd do chaotic neutral if helm allowed it.... Hm. I'll have to decide between Lawful Evil and True Neutral.

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You can worship any good no matter your alignment. Now whether or not they accept you is a different story.

If he has no divine classes, you can have a CN Helmite....but why at that point? Helm is LN. Why would your character even want to call himself a knight of a god that is utterly opposed to his ethos? Think from the ground up.

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If you're going to play a Cleric the most important aspect of the character is the entry in the Deity field. With that in mind I'd suggest you stick with your gut and play a Helmite, rather than end up with any convuluted mismatch anyone could come up with. Would probably give you a better feel for the character.

If you do go LE I'd also suggest working with the nature of the summons rather than handwaving it. Thats the impression I'm getting from your last post there, and I dont like it none! Come up with some sort of devilish reason for this guy to be summoning that sort of thing. I'm sure there is some interesting reason you can think of for a character to be both devilish and dutiful. Could open up all sorts of sidelines.

Yeah, I was thinking more along the lines of a Lawful Evil Helmite. Respects the law, respects authority. Tries not to break promises, and is loyal and dutiful. Kind along the lines of this Lawful Evil code, with a few omissions.

http://easydamus.com/lawfulevil.html

One would be that this character cares for the weak, but not the weak that try to hide themselves behind strong figures. As for using the law to advance himself, he would yet not often. Basically a more neutral Lawful evil. He is generally kind. He doesn't see himself as evil, yet he does not see himself as completely good. And he will kill others if he sees the need arise, or they constantly disrespect him.

And just saw Cloak and Dagger's post as I clicked submit. I kinda liked the devil summoning idea too. I'll see how he turns out.

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I think that it has been discussed on the forum already that Helm may not approve devil thingies even if he has LE followers as well, after all his domain is in Celestia and such.
I would go for a LE Hoarite with the poetic justice thingy.

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Lord Hector Sylgerand
Glendil Fettian, the black bard

Hm.... that may be a problem. Hoar is alright, but I'm not that fund of him.

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Do any DM's know about this at all? As in does Helm accept any devils?

Either way at this point I think I'm going with Hoar, but my character will still have high respect for Helm.

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Helm doesn't do devils.

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Davion Telemos - Monk of the Four Winds
Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham

yea dont go with helm...evil helmites does not equal undead and demons/devils..more a uncompromising devotion to thier duty..no matter what it is..(within the parameters of helms dogma ofcause)

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-Ja'acira Arrows'R'Us
-Balorin Wolfhammer- A dwarf so old he remember when the Beer stein was invented
Saisha Jai'diem Knight of bahamut, and abit of a looker

First this. Normally the title of knighthood is a title bestowed upon a warrior class by some sort of monarch or ruling body. In a church this is the templar. Now, Forgotten Realms screwed this up a bit, mixing up the titles by just an undesire of accuracy, by not knowing enough or because in the FR the title is something different. In other words, there is no real line, even though certain examples hold the more original sense. One can just assume that it may have different meaning in different places, and that for instance saying you are a Knight in Cormyr (because you are a part of the TKs) would not be recognized by those people and that state, while Cormyr would recognize knights of Tethyr.

The Order of the Silver Chalice are tethyrian nobles (templars of siamorphe) who are now recognized knights of the monarchy of Tethyr (by degree of the queen) and the Purple Dragon Knights are also not a religious but title bestowed by the monarchy of Cormyr. In order to become a fully-fledged knight of the Order of the Radiant Heart, paladins who wish to enroll must also have two sponsors: a member of the royalty of his homeland and an active member of the order.

So the title is really difficult to define, if it is just a title with noble background (heriditary knight) and a station bestowed by a sovereign ruler, or if it is a title in the FR that is used as a synonym for paladins, templars and such. I draw the line between templars and knights, and a paladin does not have to be either. So for instance in my opinion, the Triadic Knights are templars (with exception of the founder who was bestowed a title of knighthood) that aspire to chivalric ideals (or are supposed to), unless the sovereign of Kohlingen (Justicar) recognizes them as knighthood.

The second part, what type of knight to play, you can do many. Historically it is a broad term (there were bad knights and great knights). From the ideal more arthurian theme (I go with it with Robert), to the many tyrants that existed in the knighthood in history (LE) or even knights who used their station to raid and delve into bandity (CE). The religion is not as much as a factor, and neither is the class, as you can be a ranger and a knight, a blackguard and a knight. Of course martial would be better, but there is no clear requirement for that either. (Wizard bestowed knighthood by the sovereign of Cormyr or Wiltun is thinkable.)

Play a Purple Dragon! I wanna see a Purple Dragon! If you RP it wrong, I will stab you while you sleep!

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Minor clarification: a wizard being bestowed knighthood in Wiltun is actually not very thinkable, since there is a hidden undercurrent of distrust towards arcanists (there is only ONE working for the Jarl, apparently, and not as a knight, but a court magician) due to very, very old historical reasons. That can be considered general knowledge if you have a few lore ranks, really.