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Author:  Nekhy [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 11:39 AM ]
Post subject:  Categories or subforums?
This is now a subforum thingy. Is it good or bad? Terrific or terrible? Should we get rid of it or do some changes to the other forums, too?

Btw, the "Players (OOC)" doesn't need to be the parent forum. It could be General for example, and OT could be General's subforum. But I didn't do it yet, this is just for a testing now.
Author:  Yurell [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 11:43 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: Categories or subforums?
I find this new structure annoying tbh. I like the separation before, though.
Author:  Nekhy [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 11:45 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: Categories or subforums?
I'm making a bit more changes, so you can all compare better. (Yeah I said I won't bother now, but I changed my mind in 5 minutes...)
Author:  Sylfwe [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 11:58 AM ]
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Previous style seemed better.
Author:  Nekhy [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 11:59 AM ]
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Also have a look at the faction forums now. The page displays as the old kind when you click "Factions of Amia".
Author:  Peeves [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 12:08 PM ]
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This is a little bit too subforum-y. I liked how you could access every forum from the front page. I don't want to have to click through two forums to find what I want.
Author:  Dev Disco [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 12:13 PM ]
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I don't really like this for the general forums, it doesn't make much sense to have Off Topic or Requests as a subforum of General. Wouldn't be the place where I'd search for those.

The factions one I like. Cities could also be subforums, and the last 6 forums could be put under "Various" or whatever.
Author:  Mr Mago [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 12:22 PM ]
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More or less what Disco said.

The subforum system for general (requests and off topic), just doesn't appeal to me.
Author:  Nivo [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 12:23 PM ]
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Prefer the old format.

I like being able to see if there are new posts in the faction forums as well as the others, general, off-topic, etc without having to click another link.
Author:  Metalien [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 12:25 PM ]
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I'm an advocate of "If it aint broke, don't fix it" and the old style wasn't broke. Sorry Nekh, this new way is frustrating, cluttered and gives little ease of navigation.
Author:  Nekhy [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 12:26 PM ]
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I don't have a preference myself (except for the faction forums), I am just looking at the options and offering them.
Author:  Yurell [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 12:26 PM ]
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Poorvincente wrote:
This is a little bit too subforum-y. I liked how you could access every forum from the front page. I don't want to have to click through two forums to find what I want.


I think Vincente phrased it well for what I was thinking too. Having to dive through even more options just to see what has been posted is somewhat annoying. It doesn't appeal to me at all.

Also, this message occurring ad nauseum is rather irritating:
"At least one new post has been made to this topic. You may wish to review your post in light of this."
Author:  IronAngel [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 12:28 PM ]
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The subforums don't really help much. Unless you want to make everything a subforum. If you have a title, you shouldn't have sub-titles underneath it if you also have other text, IMO. But then, if you want to move everything under a single category into subforums, then that's fine.
Author:  Dev Disco [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 12:28 PM ]
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Metalien wrote:
I'm an advocate of "If it aint broke, don't fix it" and the old style wasn't broke. Sorry Nekh, this new way is frustrating, cluttered and gives little ease of navigation.


The old way is broken, though. At least, I call scrolling down 4 screens to get at the bottom broken. Faction forums take up half that size, so stuff 'em.

edit: I am mistaken: I normally have to scroll down 8-9 screens. The current setup brings it back to 4.
Author:  Herra Tutteri [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 12:29 PM ]
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Nivo wrote:
Prefer the old format.

I like being able to see if there are new posts in the faction forums as well as the others, general, off-topic, etc without having to click another link.
Author:  Selvec Darkon [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 12:35 PM ]
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Substructure is good. Organization is good. The more, the better.

Err, just double checked. Subing the General part may be a bit overboard.
Author:  Mathias of Constantinople [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 12:40 PM ]
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Herra Tutteri wrote:
Nivo wrote:
Prefer the old format.

I like being able to see if there are new posts in the faction forums as well as the others, general, off-topic, etc without having to click another link.
Author:  Metalien [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 12:41 PM ]
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Dev Disco wrote:
The old way is broken, though. At least, I call scrolling down 4 screens to get at the bottom broken. Faction forums take up half that size, so stuff 'em.

edit: I am mistaken: I normally have to scroll down 8-9 screens. The current setup brings it back to 4.


I think the idea of Subforum-ing the Faction stuff isn't so bad, but doing the same to General Discussion is a waste of time considering there's only 2 catergories in it.

Perhaps Towns and Places could also be made into a subforum tab, but I don't see it as essential.
Author:  Sylfwe [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 12:42 PM ]
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Mathias of Constantinople wrote:
Herra Tutteri wrote:
Nivo wrote:
Prefer the old format.

I like being able to see if there are new posts in the faction forums as well as the others, general, off-topic, etc without having to click another link.
Author:  Nekhy [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 13:04 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Categories or subforums?
Subbing the general forums is more of a "this is what can be done" thing. That's why half the forums are in the old format, too. It's not an "either or" thing.
Author:  Maias227 [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 13:26 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: Categories or subforums?
The faction subforum is fine, neutral about the town subforum and ditch the general discussion subforum, request and off-topic will be hipsing if they're placed there.
Author:  Herra Tutteri [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 13:29 PM ]
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Sylfwe wrote:
Mathias of Constantinople wrote:
Herra Tutteri wrote:
Prefer the old format.

I like being able to see if there are new posts in the faction forums as well as the others, general, off-topic, etc without having to click another link.


(Damn pyramid vandals...)
If not this, then:

Metalien wrote:
I think the idea of Subforum-ing the Faction stuff isn't so bad, but doing the same to General Discussion is a waste of time considering there's only 2 catergories in it.

Perhaps Towns and Places could also be made into a subforum tab, but I don't see it as essential.



Hau, I have spoken.
Author:  Jes [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 13:41 PM ]
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I liked being able to see all the forums on one page for the sake of seeing if there were any new posts, which would in turn determine whether I click into the forum. However, I'm sure I'll manage if it's easier subbed for most others. It's just two more clicks if there aren't any new posts. Not a killer.
Author:  IronAngel [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 18:45 PM ]
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Maias227 wrote:
The faction subforum is fine, neutral about the town subforum and ditch the general discussion subforum, request and off-topic will be hipsing if they're placed there.


What he said. I'm in favor of doing to towns what you did to factions. Everything else keep on the first page under main categories.
Author:  Dwagin [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 20:02 PM ]
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I like the Separation of IC and OOC forums for general. I think that should stay.

I do not like the subforum thing. I typically browse the forums by seeing if there are new posts on each respective forum, extra clicks are less efficient.
Author:  Silvarus [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 21:19 PM ]
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Dwagin wrote:
I like the Separation of IC and OOC forums for general. I think that should stay.

I do not like the subforum thing. I typically browse the forums by seeing if there are new posts on each respective forum, extra clicks are less efficient.
I concur. I want to reach information with the smallest number of clicks possible.
Author:  TormakSaber [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 21:24 PM ]
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Not really arsed either ay, tbh
Author:  Xaviera [ Tue, Apr 06 2010, 0:23 AM ]
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IronAngel wrote:
Maias227 wrote:
The faction subforum is fine, neutral about the town subforum and ditch the general discussion subforum, request and off-topic will be hipsing if they're placed there.

What he said. I'm in favor of doing to towns what you did to factions. Everything else keep on the first page under main categories.

Thirded.
Author:  MoshingChris [ Tue, Apr 06 2010, 1:12 AM ]
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TormakSaber wrote:
Not really arsed either ay, tbh
Author:  BrainSplitter [ Tue, Apr 06 2010, 2:16 AM ]
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Herra wrote:
Prefer the old format.

I like being able to see if there are new posts in the faction forums as well as the others, general, off-topic, etc without having to click another link.


This.
Author:  Gunz [ Tue, Apr 06 2010, 2:31 AM ]
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I'm used to and like the old way, but this way if fine too. I'm neutral. Whatever is fine. Not a big deal to me. I do like the separation currently used though: Information, Players (OOC), Players (IC), Towns and Places of Amia and Forum (Factions of Amia w/subforums).
Author:  Torzeng [ Tue, Apr 06 2010, 2:31 AM ]
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I like the current changes except for all the factions being subfoldered, so I can't tell which updated and if I need to be digging into it or not.
Author:  Gunz [ Tue, Apr 06 2010, 2:38 AM ]
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I think there's a bit of confusion -- I know I was confused at first. For the faction subforums, click on "Factions of Amia" and you'll open a page that shows you the list of all the factions forums and if they have recent posts and all that just like in the old forum. All that happened is that the list is on a different page now.

I would say it would be best to remove the linked subforums from the main page so people don't think that's the only way to get to them. It can cause confusion.
Author:  Dwagin [ Tue, Apr 06 2010, 5:58 AM ]
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If there was a way to display wether or not the faction/towns had new posts in them, by their names changing color when listed on the subforums shortlist, this would be best. IMO.
Author:  Nekhy [ Tue, Apr 06 2010, 7:57 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: Categories or subforums?
I notice I am loving the current setup where I don't need to scroll through 8 screens (and I have my mouse set to scroll an entire screen at once only because of Amia's forums). Gonna see if there's a mod to make browsing the Faction forums a bit nicer, so that we get a setup that answers to everyone's needs.
Author:  StandingBehindYou [ Tue, Apr 06 2010, 8:02 AM ]
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Nekhy wrote:
I notice I am loving the current setup where I don't need to scroll through 8 screens (and I have my mouse set to scroll an entire screen at once only because of Amia's forums). Gonna see if there's a mod to make browsing the Faction forums a bit nicer, so that we get a setup that answers to everyone's needs.


Would it be possible to set up so you can click on the forum list and expand it, without moving to a new page?
Author:  Nekhy [ Tue, Apr 06 2010, 8:10 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: Categories or subforums?
At least not without mods, else I would have set such up already. But I don't know what the modworld has to offer yet. Gonna trawl through the offerings.
Author:  Dev Disco [ Tue, Apr 06 2010, 14:33 PM ]
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Cties! Cities!

Subforums, pretty please?
Author:  BlackDahlya [ Tue, Apr 06 2010, 22:22 PM ]
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o0GuNz_N_RoSeZ0o wrote:
I'm used to and like the old way, but this way if fine too. I'm neutral. Whatever is fine. Not a big deal to me. I do like the separation currently used though: Information, Players (OOC), Players (IC), Towns and Places of Amia and Forum (Factions of Amia w/subforums).


This.
Author:  colanah [ Wed, Apr 07 2010, 7:39 AM ]
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*was actually noticing that if you let your mouse hover over the links in the faction forums or the other subforums, you get a nice little tooltip that says "New Posts" or "No New Posts" without having to actually click on the link itself.*

Though...yeah....it's shrunken but on whole seems workable if only because the forums seem to be evolving. Hopefully a nice middle is found. The oddest thing I noticed wasn't even this really. It's that the edit button is at the bottom of the post instead of up top. :lol:
Author:  Mobile_Svensk [ Wed, Apr 07 2010, 8:14 AM ]
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...What annoys me, is that the "Quote" click is in the down-right corner of the Post, instead of the upper-right as it was. It had made me misquote a LOT OF times now
Author:  Nekhy [ Wed, Apr 07 2010, 8:16 AM ]
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Very_Svensk wrote:
...What annoys me, is that the "Quote" click is in the down-right corner of the Post, instead of the upper-right as it was. It had made me misquote a LOT OF times now


Has made me delete posts since the delete button is also next to the edit and quote buttons, which isn't funny either. Thankfully they were posts I could replace.
Author:  Mobile_Svensk [ Wed, Apr 07 2010, 9:25 AM ]
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One thing. Can stuff like "Chief fungineer" "Developer" or "Tester" Be highlighted a little more?

As of now, i overlook posts they make as if they were new players or stuff...
Author:  TormakSaber [ Wed, Apr 07 2010, 9:32 AM ]
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rainbows plz
Author:  Yurell [ Wed, Apr 07 2010, 9:34 AM ]
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It's in big text right under their portraits.
On top of that they have their user names, and join dates.
Author:  MoshingChris [ Wed, Apr 07 2010, 9:34 AM ]
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I was much cooler when I was MonsterChris.
Author:  Nekhy [ Wed, Apr 07 2010, 9:56 AM ]
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Very_Svensk wrote:
One thing. Can stuff like "Chief fungineer" "Developer" or "Tester" Be highlighted a little more?

As of now, i overlook posts they make as if they were new players or stuff...


Blame Disco for this setup.



The colours don't show up in the posts themselves, though they show up in the forum categories... If we want rainbows Disco has to add it to this stylesheet. It's not a default function.
Author:  Mobile_Svensk [ Wed, Apr 07 2010, 9:57 AM ]
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C'mon, im serious... The Testers and developers posts get overlooked, at least by me, because of that.
Author:  Nekhy [ Wed, Apr 07 2010, 10:03 AM ]
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Well, there's little to do about the fact they appear below the picture, unless Disco changes the styles a bit more. It was quite a pain to get it to appear like this, so you should ask nicely.

It's possible to give a colour to devs and designers, but it won't make reading any easier since the colours show up just the way they do for DMs: on the front page and the forum pages, but not in topics themselves.
Author:  Mobile_Svensk [ Wed, Apr 07 2010, 10:14 AM ]
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Pleeeeease :(
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