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Author:  Nekhy [ Sun, Apr 04 2010, 8:24 AM ]
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OK, now that we got a shiney new forum with superb functions, I am going to add proper moderator groups to faction forums to make maintaining rosters and what have you a ton easier.

For this, I need names of people who should be moderators in which forums. This probably means current faction leaders, but can also mean other people. The open-to-all city forums will also get mods.

Anyway, the hidden factions can send me a PM if they don't want names in public, but for the public forums it's easier if you just post here to make my job a bit easier! :D



The faction/city moderators can lock and merge topics, clean up posts and remove unneeded crap to keep their assigned forum neat and nice. It doesn't mean unnecessary censorship or editing of people they don't fancy or anything else nasty, of course.
Author:  hendrack [ Sun, Apr 04 2010, 8:28 AM ]
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I'd ask myself and Mosh for Khem moderator status.
Author:  Jes [ Sun, Apr 04 2010, 8:39 AM ]
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Mystra's Monolith forum Moderators, if you would: Nivo, Grymia, Koragi Mydnite
Author:  Mr Mago [ Sun, Apr 04 2010, 10:27 AM ]
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Banites. Gurth (762) and myself.
Author:  Selvec Darkon [ Sun, Apr 04 2010, 12:51 PM ]
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Me (Selvec Darkon) and Iteries for Order of the Flaming Blade.
Author:  BrainSplitter [ Sun, Apr 04 2010, 15:05 PM ]
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Oakmist Vale - Amarice-Elaraliel
Shrine of Eilistraee - Gers & Ramika
Cordorian Guard - WonWon & Burningoutbright
Author:  Herra Tutteri [ Sun, Apr 04 2010, 16:22 PM ]
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Herr Tuts, Eccleastical Troika forum.
Author:  Herra Tutteri [ Sun, Apr 04 2010, 16:23 PM ]
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Herr Tuts, Eccleastical Troika forum.
Author:  LordAzack [ Sun, Apr 04 2010, 16:39 PM ]
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strife, and myself, lordazack for the Hoa/CA forums...
Author:  Jes [ Sun, Apr 04 2010, 19:09 PM ]
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A quick question! Is it at all possible to add the ability to Sticky/Unsticky to the forum moderators' options? Not sure how it works, myself, so I'm just wondering if we're still gonna have to badger DMs for such things. :D

Edit: Well, the Mystran forums won't be bugging DMs for it, since I discovered the long way to Sticky, but for future reference and such, in case a simple "Sticky Topic" button can be added. If not, ah well. Just wondering!
Author:  Lally [ Sun, Apr 04 2010, 19:42 PM ]
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Hexx=Flaggers
Author:  Nekhy [ Sun, Apr 04 2010, 19:48 PM ]
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Koragi Mydnite wrote:
A quick question! Is it at all possible to add the ability to Sticky/Unsticky to the forum moderators' options? Not sure how it works, myself, so I'm just wondering if we're still gonna have to badger DMs for such things. :D

Edit: Well, the Mystran forums won't be bugging DMs for it, since I discovered the long way to Sticky, but for future reference and such, in case a simple "Sticky Topic" button can be added. If not, ah well. Just wondering!



Yes, this I forgot for some groups. But you'll get to sticky things.
Author:  Nekhy [ Sun, Apr 04 2010, 23:19 PM ]
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Folks who posted so far, have a look if it seems about correct. Now you should be able to sticky/announce, merge, lock, edit, delete, approve (we don't actually use this right now, but it's for possible future use), move (this one you also probably don't need right now, but you never know what happens tomorrow) and split topics. Slicing, cubing, julienning and liquidising we'll add later.

If the panel feels weird or you don't know how something works, ask away.

You can also add more moderators, if you think they are needed. Removing works, too.
Author:  Anade_Evriana [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 3:33 AM ]
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Can I get Bendir Dale mod? It'll help so I don't always have to grab a DM to move/erase/sticky/unsticky/etc. It'd be a huge help.
Author:  Selvec Darkon [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 3:44 AM ]
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Apperently I missed a post some place. Iteries is not a moderator of the Order of the Flaming Blade forum anymore.
Just me. Least till I can find some other poor soul to curse with it.

Edit: Iteries need's to be removed as group leader of the Order of the Flaming Blade and replaced with me.
Author:  Nekhy [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 8:36 AM ]
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Done and done.
Author:  colanah [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 8:54 AM ]
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Hidden Glade, Eowmir Te Baru and colanah.

Yes..this is a surprise to many.
Author:  Torzeng [ Tue, Apr 06 2010, 3:35 AM ]
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Northen Alliance: Lutra

They were previously the moderator for removing/adding.

If it's alright, I'd like to be added for moderator as representative of Salandra's. I used to do that when it was the Sally and Kelly forums. Aka: Torzeng

Will be making topic in faction to be sure nobody would have reason to be against it. But it would save me from needing to bother Lutra when Salandra's populace changes around.
Author:  Enelya Ancalime [ Wed, Apr 07 2010, 2:18 AM ]
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Enelya Ancalime, demoneyes, and Charles1810 for The Shadowflame forums based out of Caraigh. (leader, law lord, and foreign affairs leader)
Author:  Nekhy [ Wed, Apr 07 2010, 8:18 AM ]
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Have a look again, if you have access as should, please!
Author:  Nekhy [ Sun, Apr 11 2010, 21:12 PM ]
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Bumping to remind that mod rights are available to those factions who didn't yet say anything, as well!
Author:  colanah [ Fri, Nov 12 2010, 4:57 AM ]
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two questions.

1. Can faction boards have more than one leader? If not, that's fine.

2. Can moderators grant access? If not, that's fine. If so, is there a moderator tutorial? If not, that's fine.

Thank you!
Author:  Weylyn_SotW [ Fri, Nov 12 2010, 8:33 AM ]
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Myself for the My'ana forums.

Already have the limited mod access, but I don't think I can sticky/unsticky any thread that is not my own.
Author:  Greyweaver [ Fri, Nov 12 2010, 10:22 AM ]
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colanah wrote:
two questions.

1. Can faction boards have more than one leader? If not, that's fine.

2. Can moderators grant access? If not, that's fine. If so, is there a moderator tutorial? If not, that's fine.

Thank you!


(I'll use admin and mod for sake of simplification.)

Good questions, the HoA forums has an Admin already and he can add and remove forum access, but, he's not around as much lately and I'm respectful of that since he's in school. All I'm wanting is to be able to add and remove new members. As of late with all the new memberships most of this has been passed off to Khylaria and she does it no problem, I just don't like having to ask her since I know she's got more things to deal with than just forum access. Soo yeah what she said. lol
Author:  Nekhy [ Fri, Nov 12 2010, 10:25 AM ]
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Yes and yes. Umm, not sure about a mod tutorial but I can run people though the basics if needed.
Author:  Greyweaver [ Fri, Nov 12 2010, 10:28 AM ]
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sweet and sweet! Well I'd like to be set up as either of those in that case. :) I'm already a Mod of HoA so the ability to grant access is all I'm needing. I'm not sure what all admin entails but I'll give it a try too. If you want just send me a pm with any steps needed, I'm sure I could figure it out but any help I'll take lol.
Author:  colanah [ Sat, Nov 13 2010, 3:05 AM ]
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Yes please on the tutorial for granting forum access or others. I've been playing around with thread merging because frankly, there don't need to be 20 threads covering the same bloody thing.

But every time I tried to grant forum access, it just added people to the moderator board and that wasn't the desired outcome. So a step by step for those who aren't sure how to steer the car would be glorious please when it's able to be done.
Author:  Selvec Darkon [ Sat, Nov 13 2010, 3:15 AM ]
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Um, I think I just found a bug in the User Control Panel that allows me to see faction membership numbers and the players in that faction. I may even be able to delete peoples memberships to these groups.

I can view every single faction that is visable's memberships...

I just found this out now, as I haven't touched the UCP in a few months.

Edit: On review it looks like it may just be for certain factions, though I can't see why I can see the memberships of these factions and not others. In truth I shouldn't be able to see any but the War Knights.
This is a major security bug.
Author:  Yurell [ Sat, Nov 13 2010, 3:50 AM ]
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Its been that way for months (ever since we got the new forum I think), and I assumed that's the way it was meant to be.
Author:  Selvec Darkon [ Sat, Nov 13 2010, 4:11 AM ]
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That seems like a massive issue, since it means people can meta when someones online, jump on their character, and start following them around. It also means people can meta the faction numbers for those groups. Furthermore you can find out if someone in your group is playing someone in another group, allowing you to pick out potential spies.
Author:  Nekhy [ Sat, Nov 13 2010, 9:13 AM ]
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Being able to view who's in what groups is intended for public factions, hence the "public" faction thingy.

I guess you're a moderator Selvec, you add and remove people to one group?
Author:  Selvec Darkon [ Sat, Nov 13 2010, 9:15 AM ]
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I do, but only for the Order of the Flaming Blade (mods) and Order of the Flaming Blade. I haven't tried it on the other faction area's because I don't want to screw with their stuff.

Most of the groups who's memberships I can see are not public, but closed. A few of them are open.
Author:  Nekhy [ Sat, Nov 13 2010, 9:21 AM ]
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Yeah, open and closed public are visible. Open means people can apply for membership and are either approved or not by the group mod. Closed means they're listed but nobody can apply for membership, only group mods add them. Hidden is the option where they're neither listed nor can people apply for membership. Hidden groups are the only ones you don't see without global moderator/admin permissions.
Author:  Selvec Darkon [ Sat, Nov 13 2010, 9:24 AM ]
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Is there any way to have an option that lists you on the main page, but doesn't allow people to see your memberships or numbers?
I really don't want people to be able to see that, espically in terms of faction conflict. It's a pretty hefty tactical advantage to not show your full hand.
Author:  Nekhy [ Sat, Nov 13 2010, 9:29 AM ]
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Yes, it's possible to make the usergroup hidden but keep the forum visible (not readable). Unless I'm mistaken group mods can actually set this themselves for their own group, the visibility of their usergroup.
Author:  Selvec Darkon [ Sat, Nov 13 2010, 9:33 AM ]
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Um, just checked, no option.

Just the the types option.

Open, Request, Closed and Hidden.

The first three I can see peoples memberships, and the last would hide you from everyone I believe. Though clearly your right, because I can't access the Church of Bane, but I can see them on the faction forum list.
Author:  Nekhy [ Sat, Nov 13 2010, 9:45 AM ]
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Selvec Darkon wrote:
Um, just checked, no option.

Just the the types option.

Open, Request, Closed and Hidden.

The first three I can see peoples memberships, and the last would hide you from everyone I believe. Though clearly your right, because I can't access the Church of Bane, but I can see them on the faction forum list.

This is for the usergroup options, right? That's what I meant, you can choose the settings for the group but not the forum. Those are defined with separate settings, forum settings are only done by forum admins.

Though I forgot there's four options, not three. Nobody has requested the fully open option in ages, everyone goes for either "request" or "hidden" nowadays so it's a nonoption as far as my manual labour mind is concerned...
Author:  Didi [ Sat, Nov 13 2010, 9:47 AM ]
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So if we don't want people to be able to see who is in our faction, we should set it to hidden?
Author:  Nekhy [ Sat, Nov 13 2010, 9:51 AM ]
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Correct. You can set it as you prefer. I guess for most it's set as originally requested, I wasn't actually aware group mods can set it as they please until one group mod told me recently that they can!
Author:  Nekhy [ Sat, Nov 13 2010, 9:58 AM ]
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All right, we tested the weird remove/demote options with Selvec and it looks like they're ghost options that have no functionality beyond the groups you should be able to moderate. For some reason they hang there, as if they were real options with functionality for all groups. But they don't. Don't ask me why they're there, though, that's a visual bug. Maybe Disco can do something about it, or maybe it's just how the forum is built and it'll remain there, confusing people because it's how it's meant to be.

Weird devs.
Author:  Selvec Darkon [ Sat, Nov 13 2010, 10:09 AM ]
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Tested, no options to make the player-list invisible...looked everywhere through the Usergroups. Tried the Moderator Control Panel, every option in the User Control Panel, every option in the Manage Groups area.

Nothing.

If I click Hidden, it will remove the faction from sight on the boards however correct? I'd like to have the faction visible, but not the player list for my faction. Which seemingly sounds like what the closed option should be.

I'll just keep it hidden till this gets sorted.
Author:  Nekhy's Test Account [ Sat, Nov 13 2010, 10:37 AM ]
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So you want the faction listed under the usergroups but don't want the member list to be visible under usergroups? That's not possible.

Open = anyone can join on their own, group and members listed publicly
Request = anyone can apply for membership, group and members listed publicly
Closed = membership only by invitation, group and members listed publicly
Hidden = membership only by invitation, group and members not listed publicly

And we're talking ONLY usergroups now, not how the forums are listed under the Faction Forums listing accessible from the index page. That cannot be set by group moderators. I can set Flaming Blade to appear on the forum listing if it's not there right now.
Author:  Selvec Darkon [ Sat, Nov 13 2010, 10:39 AM ]
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Its there to anyone in it, I don't know about people who aren't in it.
Author:  Nekhy's Test Account [ Sat, Nov 13 2010, 10:41 AM ]
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It's set to "view" for everyone, which means it appears in the listings (index page legend and faction forums subsection) but cannot be accessed by non-members.
Author:  Selvec Darkon [ Sat, Nov 13 2010, 10:44 AM ]
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Okay cool.

So having it set to hidden still means people can see it in that faction list at the bottom of the webpage?
Author:  Nekhy's Test Account [ Sat, Nov 13 2010, 10:47 AM ]
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Correct, the usergroup settings are separate from the forum settings.
Author:  Selvec Darkon [ Sat, Nov 13 2010, 10:49 AM ]
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Alright, I'll leave it as hidden then. That solves my issue.
Author:  Lutra [ Sat, Nov 13 2010, 13:13 PM ]
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Myself and CelestialDante for the Northern Alliance forum please.

I guess Peeves will manage the Salandran part.
Author:  Nekhy [ Sat, Nov 13 2010, 20:54 PM ]
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Lutra wrote:
Myself and CelestialDante for the Northern Alliance forum please.

I guess Peeves will manage the Salandran part.

Group mods (=folks who add people) or lock-mods? I see you already are in both.
Author:  Nekhy [ Sat, Nov 13 2010, 21:06 PM ]
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colanah wrote:
Yes please on the tutorial for granting forum access or others. I've been playing around with thread merging because frankly, there don't need to be 20 threads covering the same bloody thing.

But every time I tried to grant forum access, it just added people to the moderator board and that wasn't the desired outcome. So a step by step for those who aren't sure how to steer the car would be glorious please when it's able to be done.

Alright, you see two groups (because phpBB3 isn't smart enough to allow this done with just one group without editing each user individually): one ends with (Mods) and the other just has the faction name. You want to edit the one without (Mods) when adding people access to read the forum.

Go to User Control Panel at the top right corner.

Select Usergroups from the left hand panel. You see a list of all public groups, both yours and others. Don't bother with the long list now, but look at the left hand panel again. Go to Manage Groups.

Next to Manage Users from the right panel. There's a list of groups you can edit (or, groups you are a group moderator of). Just add the name of the member in the field below. Default group option isn't needed, as it just overrides some other privileges and may result in funkiness for the user, depending on their groups.

Here's also the option to approve group members, for groups such as Glade that take requests for membership. Approve members by ticking the box next to their name and choosing the approve option from the pull-down menu on the left bottom side.

Does that make it any easier?
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