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| Author: | Mahtan [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 5:38 AM ] |
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Nuffink to see here... |
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| Author: | O'Raghailligh [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 6:55 AM ] |
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Shyte happens, no biggie really, thanks for the info/warning |
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| Author: | Torzeng [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 9:48 AM ] |
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Quote: Old Trog Spear
That explains why this seemed so odd to get! And for where I found it, since it's being removed, don't think it hurts to say it was Electric Castle. I do notice it's marked "Stolen" at least. I wager that was intentional, although do no know. Some of those items looked so nice too... *sigh* But! This explains a lot. Thanks for giving an early warning to it all. |
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| Author: | QPR [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 10:16 AM ] |
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Noooooooooooo! My Spellista! *sobs* |
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| Author: | bluntpencil2001 [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 10:30 AM ] |
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I thought the Sergeant's Chain looked on the powerful side, if not more powerful than my Champion armour bought at the Temple of Salandra. A shame for the person I offloaded it onto then, I guess, since you wouldn't have caught me wearing it. 
I think I did the same with a Crystalline Shield too... Hmm. |
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| Author: | Bjorn [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 11:15 AM ] |
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bluntpencil2001 wrote: I thought the Sergeant's Chain looked on the powerful side, if not more powerful than my Champion armour bought at the Temple of Salandra.
A shame for the person I offloaded it onto then, I guess, since you wouldn't have caught me wearing it. I think I did the same with a Crystalline Shield too... Hmm. Yeah, you gave shiled to myself... pity I hadnt have a chance to use it... Looked like badass item, being green and all. |
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| Author: | mairacle_ninja [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 11:42 AM ] |
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Hrm... This doesn't appear to affect any of my characters, but out of curiousity, will players receive compensation in return for the removal? |
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| Author: | Gunz [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 11:50 AM ] |
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Damn you! Damn you all! I knew that "Elk Tribe Hide Armor" was too good to be true... 
Do we get replacement goodies? |
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| Author: | TormakSaber [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 12:02 PM ] |
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mairacle_ninja wrote: Hrm... This doesn't appear to affect any of my characters, but out of curiousity, will players receive compensation in return for the removal?
No. Sorry. Most of them were incredibly overinflated GP wise anyways, so call it "balancing the amian Economy". |
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| Author: | maglorine [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 12:55 PM ] |
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bluntpencil2001 wrote: I thought the Sergeant's Chain looked on the powerful side, if not more powerful than my Champion armour bought at the Temple of Salandra.
A shame for the person I offloaded it onto then, I guess, since you wouldn't have caught me wearing it. I think I did the same with a Crystalline Shield too... Hmm. Yeah, I saw some of these items in the shop in Wiltun. Too pricey for my lowbie but I'm glad I didn't see them on my ranger because I would have been tempted to buy a couple and he can't afford losing that amount of gold. |
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| Author: | Mimiron_Old [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 12:56 PM ] |
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I think vendoring them is enough of a reimbursement. I know when I sold one of the weapons for 120k the first thing that popped into my mind was "wtf?" |
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| Author: | maglorine [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 13:05 PM ] |
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I know if you put some of these items in a high end shop somewhere, pc's without epic loot would buy them. The gap in quality between epic loot and the old +4 loot is large. That's why the BC stuff is so popular. In fact I hope the staff will consider adding some of these to high end/hidden shops. The items they don't deem overstep power vs Epic Loot and DC items of course. If putting them in loot is too "economy inflating" then putting them in a shop and having money exit the economy via sales of these is an alternative option. |
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| Author: | Gunz [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 13:34 PM ] |
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Well that kinda sucks... I spent quite a bit of money to buy one of those items. I suppose it would be okay to sell right before a reset so it goes into Amia bye-bye zone? |
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| Author: | Kamina [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 16:26 PM ] |
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Is this really going to be removed? I personally don't see anything wrong with it, could someone explain to me why? I'd love to roll a Goblin at one point and have a Flail with a Rat on the end, but this is the only model in my knowledge... |
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| Author: | maughter [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 16:37 PM ] |
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If your going to just remove them, can i at least get something back >.> Like if a DM were to supervise me selling it just before a reset, so they can guarantee it being gone? My Bard spent mostly all of her gold to get some Pheonix plate and One of those Green Tower Shields. (having said that, she didn't have much to start with, not the millions you see these crazy people carrying) I know it's a mistake, and it's a bad one at that. it's just... why me, why now? It could have been worse, i could have picked up a complete gearset of the new items, sold off all the old ones for collateral and then really be left with nothing. >.> |
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| Author: | IronAngel [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 19:13 PM ] |
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There are a few definetely overpowered items, and some we're not sure about. We're fixing them and putting the stuff back in. I suggest you sell your items before the removal, I guess. You'll make good buck out of it. |
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| Author: | Amarice-Elaraliel [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 20:01 PM ] |
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Pheonix plate is missing on that list above (unless I am blind) And oh boy that Armor is Uber O.o |
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| Author: | Dark Immolation [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 20:11 PM ] |
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Amarice-Elaraliel wrote: Pheonix plate is missing on that list above (unless I am blind)
And oh boy that Armor is Uber O.o It's on the list. |
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| Author: | IronAngel [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 20:14 PM ] |
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One of the prime offenders, indeed. |
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| Author: | drahgon [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 21:47 PM ] |
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the gems will still come back right? sapphire of water and such, my dragonkin had one of those and it was his prized gem... lol, wouldnt ever dream of using the spells on it though |
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| Author: | Gers [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 21:53 PM ] |
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I think it very likely that the gems will be comming back, if perhaps in a slightly modified form. |
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| Author: | Mr Mago [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 22:29 PM ] |
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The gems in their current incarnation... I hope not. Most of the items were unbalanced in one aspect or another. Most of them had a much higher gp value than intended, which caused an inflation to the economy. The fact that we got new loot, in general, was awesome though. The initiative and intentions of the DM staff who suggested and contributed were therefore highly appreciated, even if the outcome wasn't quite as intended. |
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| Author: | Torzeng [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 23:32 PM ] |
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Yaster Galer wrote: Is this really going to be removed? I personally don't see anything wrong with it, could someone explain to me why? I'd love to roll a Goblin at one point and have a Flail with a Rat on the end, but this is the only model in my knowledge... I look at this and think Rat Flail! -- As for the reinbursment; why should we be compensated for something we were never meant to have in the first place? Tsk, if you got to sell it already I think is lucky enough. As I know the item on the list I found is marked "stolen". Which is fine, I found it free, I loose it free, no harms done. |
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| Author: | Gers [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 23:38 PM ] |
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Yeah, I don't know how some of them got marked stolen. It's a minor bug that needs correction. |
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| Author: | drahgon [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 23:42 PM ] |
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Gers wrote: I think it very likely that the gems will be comming back, if perhaps in a slightly modified form.
works for me
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| Author: | Torzeng [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 23:43 PM ] |
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Gers wrote: Yeah, I don't know how some of them got marked stolen. It's a minor bug that needs correction.
Frankly, having them marked "stolen" is a good way to keep them from just piling in too much gold back into the player economy if some were selling 120k! It might be fair to make notes in them however that are like "OOC: Item cannot be sold to merchants" so people know what kind of investment they are making. But it then only circulates the player-economy with items of such quality. Small thought. |
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| Author: | TormakSaber [ Thu, Dec 31 2009, 5:14 AM ] |
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Torzeng wrote: Gers wrote: Yeah, I don't know how some of them got marked stolen. It's a minor bug that needs correction. Frankly, having them marked "stolen" is a good way to keep them from just piling in too much gold back into the player economy if some were selling 120k! It might be fair to make notes in them however that are like "OOC: Item cannot be sold to merchants" so people know what kind of investment they are making. But it then only circulates the player-economy with items of such quality. Small thought. So much more elegant to just mark it stolen. KISS. |
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| Author: | blackvswhite [ Thu, Dec 31 2009, 5:18 AM ] |
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can we keep the rat flail? even a mundane version? PLEASE? |
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| Author: | TormakSaber [ Thu, Dec 31 2009, 5:30 AM ] |
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It will come back. |
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| Author: | Murex [ Thu, Dec 31 2009, 14:09 PM ] |
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I do think that putting some of these in high-end shops would help. It requires some effort to get them that way. That rat flail doesn't seem very powerful to me. I actually think it kinda stinks. 
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| Author: | P Three [ Thu, Dec 31 2009, 14:18 PM ] |
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Of course it stinks. -2 Cha, baby. But seriously. RAT ON A STICK. What's not to love? |
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| Author: | Gers [ Thu, Dec 31 2009, 20:39 PM ] |
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Figured that the rat flail would be great for some of our more repulsive PCs, such as the farting orckin and grimy goblins. 
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| Author: | Mr Mago [ Thu, Dec 31 2009, 21:18 PM ] |
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Or just a good addition to the adventure's campfire, for a little snack in the evening before going to bed. |
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| Author: | P Three [ Thu, Dec 31 2009, 23:56 PM ] |
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Leave it to fatty to think of food. |
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| Author: | mairacle_ninja [ Fri, Jan 01 2010, 4:18 AM ] |
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...Rat flail? Edit: Wait, no, morningstar. |
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| Author: | gorgometh [ Fri, Jan 01 2010, 5:11 AM ] |
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Oh VG-Cats...How you slay me. |
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| Author: | Torzeng [ Fri, Jan 01 2010, 9:42 AM ] |
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TormakSaber wrote: Torzeng wrote: Gers wrote: Yeah, I don't know how some of them got marked stolen. It's a minor bug that needs correction. Frankly, having them marked "stolen" is a good way to keep them from just piling in too much gold back into the player economy if some were selling 120k! It might be fair to make notes in them however that are like "OOC: Item cannot be sold to merchants" so people know what kind of investment they are making. But it then only circulates the player-economy with items of such quality. Small thought. So much more elegant to just mark it stolen. KISS. I meant the OOC tag ON TOP OF "marked stolen" so players trading between eachother might know, but not think they somehow get to meta knowing it's stolen if it's just the mechanics of how that goes. To be clear. It is K'nISS |
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| Author: | TormakSaber [ Fri, Jan 01 2010, 11:37 AM ] |
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The stolen tag alone accomplishes the purpose: There is no selling to merchants. An OOC tag is inelegant, breaks immersion, and doesn't add to or fix anything being marked stolen alone doesn't already do. |
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| Author: | Estatica [ Fri, Jan 01 2010, 11:52 AM ] |
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I feel sorry for the people who bought these items from people and are going to lose them. Selling them off to other people would be difficult - but then again, you did say they sold for quite a good price. Thanks for the heads up. |
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| Author: | Dev Disco [ Fri, Jan 01 2010, 13:04 PM ] |
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I am going to try to remove them soonish. I guess some financial restitution will be in order though. I obviously can't check if an item has been auctioned or whatever. |
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| Author: | Yurell [ Mon, Jan 11 2010, 14:50 PM ] |
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If they're going to be removed from the module, can they please stop being dropped as loot first? I keep coming across this stuff. |
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| Author: | Dev Disco [ Mon, Jan 11 2010, 15:41 PM ] |
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Not everything needed to be removed. These items should not drop anymore and should have been removed from inventories. Maskasrran Regalia Battlerager's Banded Mail Phoenix Platemail Shamanic Headdress Spellkiller Chain Undead Hunter's Scale Tracker's Armor Sergeant's Chain Shirt Elk Tribe Hide Amror (oops, misspelled it) Large Shield of Absorption Manticore Hide Shield Shield of Tactical Mastery Green Dragonscale Shield Glory Protector of the Meek The Hangman's Noose Haedrian's Shield Paladin's Best Friend Milil's Delight +2 Sunburst Earring Emerald of Absorption Rapier of Sharpened Wit The Bard's Bombastic Blade Ascending Star: Rod of Many Eyes Spellista Heaven's Wrath Assassin's Strike Amythest Hammer Sunblade Grinding Edge Mindrender Greater Venomedge Duelist's Parrying Dagger Shekat Fang: Dwarven Kneecapper |
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| Author: | Yurell [ Mon, Jan 11 2010, 15:42 PM ] |
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So is the rest of the stuff on the list of 'to be removed' going to be removed? |
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| Author: | Dev Disco [ Mon, Jan 11 2010, 15:44 PM ] |
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Well, not that I know. I processed the list I just posted and I think that was that. |
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| Author: | Yurell [ Mon, Jan 11 2010, 15:46 PM ] |
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Okay, then can the stuff that's not going to be removed be edited out of Mahtan's list? Whenever I see anything nice I look at the list, see it on there and sell. |
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| Author: | Dev Disco [ Mon, Jan 11 2010, 15:49 PM ] |
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Well, I guess this whole thread is pretty redundant atm. |
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| Author: | Yurell [ Mon, Jan 11 2010, 15:56 PM ] |
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Okay, but thought you should know that the Old Trog Spear is still marked as stolen (or at least can't be sold). |
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| Author: | Lord-Hadeis [ Mon, Jan 11 2010, 16:53 PM ] |
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I demand that the dire rat flail is left in the game. It's way to awesome and commical not to have in the game, besides it isn't all that powerful and just like the fish clubs you can buy just really damned funny. If you remove it I hope you get the plague and die :) |
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| Author: | TormakSaber [ Mon, Jan 11 2010, 17:04 PM ] |
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Well, luckily for you, we've re gone over the items and they'll be integrated again shortly. |
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| Author: | Gunz [ Mon, Jan 11 2010, 22:12 PM ] |
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You mean to tell me that I could have kept my Necromancer's Best Friend ring after all? JWBLDKUGBWKJBHJVDHJ@BEIU!@GEUO:!!!!!!!!!!! |
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