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First off - If you mule Black Caravan wares, you aren't ever getting them again at all. Not by trading with your friends on the sly, not by purchasing them from PC Black Caravan merchants.

Twinking constitutes as follows: giving another player items or gold that they did not deserve. Gifts are allowable so long as the person will be able to use them within 2 levels. For example, giving a level 10 a sword or armor he will need to be level 12 to use is acceptable (or a roughly equivalent value in gold). Giving said level 10 an epic drop off Windreaper, or from the epic store for free or a miniscule price, or something he'd need to be 21 to use, is not. It is also best to limit the number of such gifts to maybe one per RL month. Upon reaching level 25, the caps go away. Remember though, if you are at all concerned about weather some gift or aid rendered to a friend might get you in trouble, ASK A DM. If you're selling a high level item, and happen to run across a rich lowbie who wants to buy it, screenshot the transaction in order to protect yourself.

Muling constitutes as follows: passing items and/or gold from a character to another, when both characters are in the possession of the same player. The characters being on different GameSpy ID's or CD keys does not negate the act being muling. The methods for this are varying, but any method where the items end up from one of your PCs to another, is muling.

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First off - If you mule Black Caravan wares, you aren't ever getting them again at all. Not by trading with your friends on the sly, not by purchasing them from PC Black Caravan merchants.

Are you saying that if someones PC, ICly mules wares from the Black Caravan to another PC, they are going to be OOCly prevented from acquiring them ever again?

I was told if someone purchased an item at the BC, and then gave it to someone as a gift, that was alright?

Is this correct?

Regards,

Mule-the short version. "Oh wow nice sword! I could use this on my weaponmaster." *drops in a remote location*....*Logs in as weaponmaster and gets sword in remote location*..."Weee! I'm slick as oil on a duck's patoot boy howdy."

I appreciate you Won.

Author:	BrainSplitter [ Tue, Dec 29 2009, 16:09 PM ]
Post subject:	Black Caravan Plot.
I swore to myself I'd never go out of my way to make a post like this as it's purely OOC, but it seems such things are a necessessity. A few, simple, notes about the Black Caravan. Mostly OOC. First off - If you mule Black Caravan wares, you aren't ever getting them again at all. Not by trading with your friends on the sly, not by purchasing them from PC Black Caravan merchants. There's a far lot more to the Black Caravan than there is to just the wares, including extensive work on my part to make everything make sense, and to handle the actual plotline and overarching arc of the little 'plot'. I accept that people will use it just to kit out their characters and leave it at that. That's fine. But if you use my work to cheat, I reserve the right to be rather annoyed. The IC Rules. They're purely IC Rules. You can break them. Just don't get caught. Black Caravan Power. Okay. I'm going to admit it in the open. The Black Caravan is beatable. Two factions have done it so far, in regards to making them back down entirely from a conflict (one before it even got to start). There's quite a few weaknesses. However. I will completely ignore your powerbuilds, and as such, brute force isn't going to work. As for the IC as to why it won't work - you will need to find that out yourself. Again, all part of the overarching plot. Continuing on from that. If you try and muscle the company around, they'll warn you. Three times, usually. Once directly at the situation. Then Twice in public. If you don't like the conflict, either don't get into it in the first place, or back down. I honestly really dislike when the Black Caravan gets into these wartime situations - it shoots down my own morale for both DMing and Plot Running. However, as a continuity and heavy on the IC minded DM, I'll roll with whatever punches are thrown IC, and the company will react in kind. With all that in mind; Permadeath is a possibility. I'm laying it out there. You'll get plenty of IC warnings when you're walking into a situation that is well beyond your capabilities. Whether they be verbal or situational. I'll make it as obvious as I can. This only applies to people who actually try to get involved into the event, because due to the nature of the Black Caravan, they fall into the simple rationale of... Epic Risk = Epic Reward. So obviously this won't apply to you lot who just sit in the queue and nic your stuff. This more applies to those who try to constantly destroy them every third day and - after subsequently getting pwned - get back up with a smile on their face. The Black Caravan is an intrigue based plot that came about as a result of the outcry for less 'random hack and slash' events. There's alot of machinations at play, and believe it or not - if you uncover the full picture (which can take some rather rewarding work) you can find out the whys and hows to everything. From why the Black Caravan seems capable of employing and outfitting soldiers, to the giant playout between the Calishite Navy and the Black Caravan, to why the company seems oh-so-ready to use extremely uneven force against supposed threats. The entire point of this post is to let people know what they're getting into so there's no more OOC grumbling. If you like this sort of stuff with the very high risk / reward possibilities, the political and social intrigue, and all the rest - feel free to hit me up in a PM if you want to get involved. I'm more than happy to make tweaks and openings here and there for those who are really interested. If it isn't your cup of tea, that's great too, just know that you may be getting in over your head if this really isn't your choice flavour of plots and events. The plot is purely player-driven (in regards to the fact it soley reacts to what players do, for the most part), and always has been. All I control is how the company decides to react to what you do.

Author:	Gunz [ Tue, Dec 29 2009, 16:37 PM ]
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WonWon wrote: First off - If you mule Black Caravan wares, you aren't ever getting them again at all. Not by trading with your friends on the sly, not by purchasing them from PC Black Caravan merchants. You mean buying and giving them to your other character, right? Not asking a friend PC ICly to pick something up for you? Just double checking here.

Author:	BrainSplitter [ Tue, Dec 29 2009, 16:38 PM ]
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You mule BC wares, you never ever ever get to touch them again. Note, I don't publicize who's been busted for this (because that'd be just plain socially inappropriate, even for me, so I don't expect other players to know.) I simply expect those who did to not ask for them. If a player accidentaly passes one to a muler or whatnot, I'll just reimburse 'em for the item.

Author:	BrainSplitter [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 3:43 AM ]
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Cleaned and re-opened the thread, since it was posted for a reason other than addressing a single individual.

Author:	O'Raghailligh [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 4:11 AM ]
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Quote: First off - If you mule Black Caravan wares, you aren't ever getting them again at all. Not by trading with your friends on the sly, not by purchasing them from PC Black Caravan merchants. Are you saying that if someones PC, ICly mules wares from the Black Caravan to another PC, they are going to be OOCly prevented from acquiring them ever again?

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Author:	FA_Frey_XC [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 4:20 AM ]
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I was told if someone purchased an item at the BC, and then gave it to someone as a gift, that was alright? Is this correct? Regards,

Author:	The Cobbit [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 4:25 AM ]
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Quote: Twinking constitutes as follows: giving another player items or gold that they did not deserve. Gifts are allowable so long as the person will be able to use them within 2 levels. For example, giving a level 10 a sword or armor he will need to be level 12 to use is acceptable (or a roughly equivalent value in gold). Giving said level 10 an epic drop off Windreaper, or from the epic store for free or a miniscule price, or something he'd need to be 21 to use, is not. It is also best to limit the number of such gifts to maybe one per RL month. Upon reaching level 25, the caps go away. Remember though, if you are at all concerned about weather some gift or aid rendered to a friend might get you in trouble, ASK A DM. If you're selling a high level item, and happen to run across a rich lowbie who wants to buy it, screenshot the transaction in order to protect yourself. Muling constitutes as follows: passing items and/or gold from a character to another, when both characters are in the possession of the same player. The characters being on different GameSpy ID's or CD keys does not negate the act being muling. The methods for this are varying, but any method where the items end up from one of your PCs to another, is muling. http://www.amiaworld.net/phpBB2/viewtop ... 771#347771 Being OOCly barred from buying BC merchandise is a consequence for cheating.

Author:	BrainSplitter [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 4:27 AM ]
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O'Raghailligh wrote: Quote: First off - If you mule Black Caravan wares, you aren't ever getting them again at all. Not by trading with your friends on the sly, not by purchasing them from PC Black Caravan merchants. Are you saying that if someones PC, ICly mules wares from the Black Caravan to another PC, they are going to be OOCly prevented from acquiring them ever again? No. I mean muling in the rule context as Cobbs' posted. IF you ICly sneak them across to other people (As long as you aren't twinking or muling your own characters in doing so), you're fine.

Author:	Lally [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 4:32 AM ]
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Twink-the short version...."here's a million gold friend! that should make lvl 2 really easy har har har. Oh and here's some gear for when you hit lvl 20." Mule-the short version. "Oh wow nice sword! I could use this on my weaponmaster." drops in a remote location....Logs in as weaponmaster and gets sword in remote location..."Weee! I'm slick as oil on a duck's patoot boy howdy."

Author:	Selvec Darkon [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 4:39 AM ]
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Isn't there rules against Twinking/Muling anyway? It shouldn't be done regardless of the item being dropped.

Author:	FA_Frey_XC [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 4:47 AM ]
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FA_Frey_XC wrote: I was told if someone purchased an item at the BC, and then gave it to someone as a gift, that was alright? Is this correct? Regards, So as long as this is NOT muling, then it's cool. Rgr rgr. Just wanting to make sure. Hate to see someones wife get wacked due to a anniversary present bought from the BC Actually... Regards,

Author:	FA_Frey_XC [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 5:14 AM ]
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Thank you for the confirmation, Ron. Regards,

Author:	LordAzack [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 6:14 AM ]
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Lalelilolu wrote: Mule-the short version. "Oh wow nice sword! I could use this on my weaponmaster." drops in a remote location....Logs in as weaponmaster and gets sword in remote location..."Weee! I'm slick as oil on a duck's patoot boy howdy." What if the item is sold to a store by one toon, then purchased by the other?

Author:	BrainSplitter [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 6:21 AM ]
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Still muling.

Author:	soundofastream [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 11:03 AM ]
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Thanks Won Won, one of -the- best long term plots I've seen on Amia to date.

Author:	Zanthair [ Mon, Apr 05 2010, 6:54 AM ]
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missed the day the caravan was outside ultrinnan

Author:	Mobile_Svensk [ Tue, Apr 13 2010, 7:57 AM ]
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I really need to ask; even tho it goes against my standards. Are the caravan in amia forest, or not? Because i haven't seen them in a while, and there's no forumpost to say otherwise,.

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Author:	BlackDahlya [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 8:11 AM ]
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I remember asking a PC to get something for Auron because he did not have enough gold. IC, I negotiated with the PC, but OOC I asked Ron if that could be done. I also paid the PC back later. Did this change?

Author:	BrainSplitter [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 8:24 AM ]
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It's fine. It's just the -rules- Muling/Twinking I'm concerned about.

Author:	D-Finitiy [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 9:32 AM ]
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I appreciate you Won.

Author:	Dakotaen [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 11:07 AM ]
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D-Finitiy wrote: I appreciate you Won. Me too. I appreciate you hard.

Author:	Gunz [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 11:46 AM ]
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D-Finitiy wrote: I appreciate you Won. I don't, I hate you. Just kidding!... But not really... Yeah, I am... Na, I'm not... Yeah... Na...

Author:	ShadowSoul89 [ Wed, Dec 30 2009, 16:45 PM ]
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Heh, feel free to stop by for lunch at the Dale!

Author:	BrainSplitter [ Tue, Apr 13 2010, 8:13 AM ]
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...Oops. My bad. I forgot to post that they have, indeed, vacated the area. Thanks for pointing it out!