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Faction Vote Inquiry Take 2
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Author:  The Peacock [ Wed, Oct 28 2009, 5:03 AM ]
Post subject:  Faction Vote Inquiry Take 2
I have a question regarding vote counts in faction groups.

I believe that the vote counts, for IC related events, such as elections, and polls in general should be limited to 1 PC per player for each faction you're in.

I don't believe that people who have multiple PCs should be allowed to vote numerous times on one certain topic of event, and in such turn the tides in their favor (if that's what the seek to do).

The primary PC of that faction should be the vote that counts, not a character that you've played once or twice that is involved in that faction. Because, what stops me, to say, make four or five elves that I rarely play, to then vote on a topic to turn that in my favor?

I would and do consider it meta-gaming, and was wondering if this is already put in place regarding faction PC votes, and if not - then I believe it would be fitting, in the most sincere way possible, without forcing this upon the citizens and players amongst Amia, to instate this defacto so as meta-gaming in such a manner may be culled.

Furthermore - what does one do when such an act has been done already? Is their second vote obsolete?
Author:  BrainSplitter [ Wed, Oct 28 2009, 5:06 AM ]
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Thanks Lath.


Anyway; I believe it to be situational, and while sometimes completley innocent and IC - alot of people do use it for a dick move.


My personal preference is this;

You can vote with every character (to a minimum of 1) that is active at the time of posting. The vote co-ordinator can determine what is classified as active.

Admittedly, that's easier for me as a DM, since I can easily just look at a player's times on certain characters.
Author:  TormakSaber [ Wed, Oct 28 2009, 5:09 AM ]
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As far as I'm concerned this is a matter for factions to handle individually.

I personally consider it unsporting to have more than one character in the same faction.
Author:  The Peacock [ Wed, Oct 28 2009, 5:09 AM ]
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True. The problem I foresee with this is that Winya Ravana is not a faction for the purposes of 'faction' definitions. It's a city, a place where noone really needs to work or be initiated into the place.

Therefore new PCs can be new, and still, being those of the People, have the right to vote on certain matters.

Given this point, does the player, who's previously voted with a known character, who then votes with their potentially 'new' character that's just moved to Winya Ravana, have that second vote disregarded?
Author:  Mr Mago [ Wed, Oct 28 2009, 5:11 AM ]
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"Oh... a vote... wait, why is Lisa suddenly making 7 new Winyian elves?"
Author:  FA_Frey_XC [ Wed, Oct 28 2009, 5:11 AM ]
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Mr Mago wrote:
"Oh... a vote... wait, why is Lisa suddenly making 7 new Winyian elves?"


That's like stuffing the ballot box, man.

And people, mark your calendars, me and Mago might actually agree on something.

:)

Regards,
Author:  BrainSplitter [ Wed, Oct 28 2009, 5:11 AM ]
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I'd simply say use the same reasoning I did when I ran it last year.

Took a list of every Winya-Bound PC before I posted.

Ditched those with less than a few hours play time (gimmick characters, unused characters, etc)

Then said int he post "You must, at the time of this posting, be an Active Winyan to vote"

That's using DM Tool, though. Admittedly trickier for a player.
Author:  The Peacock [ Wed, Oct 28 2009, 5:14 AM ]
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Ah, then that's sorted - I just wanted to know before I get all rage on and end up realising that I've made a mistake. I'll pm you WonWon.
Author:  BlackDahlya [ Wed, Oct 28 2009, 5:15 AM ]
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lathandier wrote:
Given this point, does the player, who's previously voted with a known character, who then votes with their potentially 'new' character that's just moved to Winya Ravana, have that second vote disregarded?


I think that Ron's answer still applies, though if the PC is "openly" new to the city, he cannot possibly have an idea of the bigger picture to think he knows exactly what should be the vote.

It is one of those situations where I think neutrality should prevail.

Still, it is tricky and a tad delicate to be approached IC or OOC.

Perhaps having an IC measure like... dunno, asking that only residents that have been living for X years/months in the city will have a right to vote.

EDIT: Ron ninja'ed me.
Author:  Sylfwe [ Wed, Oct 28 2009, 5:25 AM ]
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BlackDahlya wrote:
Perhaps having an IC measure like... dunno, asking that only residents that have been living for X years/months in the city will have a right to vote.


I wouldn't like to think that I need to be around again with a PC that I've played a lot but haven't played for a while in Winya just to vote. She's familiar with most faces, avoids others and knows who she'd vote for should elections come up.

I always find it silly when people vote/support one of their character's views with another character. If I did have more than one Winyan their votes would probably have differed.
Author:  SacredOak [ Wed, Oct 28 2009, 6:03 AM ]
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In my opinion things like that should be 1 vote/PC. In factions, we can leave it up to them to decide, but for city groups like Winya Ravana it just isn't fair for someone with multiple characters to have many votes.

Otherwise you'll have situations where more PCs are voting for something, but more characters vote the other way.
Author:  The Peacock [ Wed, Oct 28 2009, 6:07 AM ]
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I think you mean Players, not PCs... PCs are the same as characters.

I do agree, and thanks for the prompt replies everyone. Cleared a few things up.
Author:  Dev Disco [ Wed, Oct 28 2009, 7:47 AM ]
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As far as I'm concerned this is a matter for factions to handle individually.


I'd even say: your problem, don't bother us.
Author:  The Peacock [ Wed, Oct 28 2009, 9:05 AM ]
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Disco, you know well and good that player interaction and asserting authority over other players is a zone that will only end in tears or flamewars...

I don't think that's an approach or attitude that's going to validate a nice response. Terrible advice even.
Author:  Dev Disco [ Wed, Oct 28 2009, 9:19 AM ]
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Well, a faction asks us for a place to conduct their own affairs. I am quite sure we'd have less faction forums if that included the DM team being cast in the nanny role. We don't make a player moderator for nothing, you know?
Author:  The Peacock [ Wed, Oct 28 2009, 9:26 AM ]
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Player moderator? Does that mean the leaders of the faction? E.g. Councillors and what-not?
Author:  Nekhy [ Wed, Oct 28 2009, 9:35 AM ]
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Every faction forum has one group moderator, who can add and remove folks to access the forums. Winya as a public forum has this poll group, or people who are able to vote in Winya's forums. That results in only one vote per person, because the amount of accounts allowed voting is controlled.

I wouldn't mind doing the same for other forums, if they think it should be done. Though with closed forums... I don't see the need myself.


On topic: it's something that each faction should decide themselves. I don't mind helping by checking for double identities, for example, but I am absolutely against the staff enforcing one custom for all factions.
Author:  SacredOak [ Wed, Oct 28 2009, 10:00 AM ]
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Oops. Lath is right, I meant only 1 vote per player. My mistake, got the lingo wrong. :)
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