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AlphaWaves

Posted: Sat, Sep 05 2009, 16:29 PM

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I have a character that I'd like to roll up as a Strongheart halfling.
As the default Lightfoot halfling is so much more like the official Strongheart than the Amia powerhouses, would it be okay to roll up a lightfoot halfling and just call it a strongheart?

That is to say, it has the proper favoured class of rogue and doesn't have strength that matches half-orcs.

I'm mainly just asking for a DM to okay this choice.

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Maias227

Posted: Sat, Sep 05 2009, 16:42 PM

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I am inclined to say no. Strongheart is strongheart. If you feel it doesn't represent the race presented in the book you can always suggest for it to be changed in the things to change forum and we can take the discussion.

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AlphaWaves

Posted: Sat, Sep 05 2009, 16:46 PM

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Well, yea. A strongheart is a strongheart. Not a strongbody. I've mentioned the massive false representation of stronghearts on the amia module countless times. I generally get people agreeing with me, but fear change. Change, in terms of not actual change. Change more like going back to how things should be.

Stronghearts are merely smaller and weaker humans with a smart and effeicient work ethic. Not ultra-buff mega-warriors that match the strength of the most deadliest orc marauder.

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MoshingChris

Posted: Sat, Sep 05 2009, 20:22 PM

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I think the reason why Amia Stronghearts differ is possibly for flavor.

As in.

Having three halfling Subraces with the exact same bonus' and negatives is about as boring as I could think of.

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Uberuce

Posted: Sat, Sep 05 2009, 20:38 PM

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If your character sheet doesn't match your RP, you are an arse.

Nekhy

Posted: Sat, Sep 05 2009, 20:41 PM

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The race in the sheet should match the RP'd race when possible. There's a few exceptions, when a desired race doesn't exist on Amia and another is used to emulate it, though.

AlphaWaves

Posted: Sat, Sep 05 2009, 21:01 PM

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MoshingChris wrote:

I think the reason why Amia Stronghearts differ is possibly for flavor.

As in.

Having three halfling Subraces with the exact same bonus' and negatives is about as boring as I could think of.

They all differ in the FR rules. Just not massively absurd as ogre strength hin. That's all I'm saying.

Besides, as far as flavour goes, two lightfoot halflings can be as different as (to use a cliché) chalk and cheese.

As far as playing what's on the sheet, I'd play it entirely as described. Biologically, there are no differences between the three halfling races. All differences are merely cultural.

If I can't get permission to just say my character is, and play my character as a strongheart, can't I just get someone to alter just the field that says "Halfling" and change it to "Strongheart Halfling" or whatever?

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IronAngel

Posted: Sat, Sep 05 2009, 21:10 PM

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I'm not sure what your point is.

Yes, Amian Strongheart stats are all wrong. (They're supposed to swap their Saves bonus for a bonus feat at lvl 1, as per FRCS.) Should they have been different, to begin with? Probably, but it's too late now.

Yes, you need to RP the race on your sheet.

I don't quite see why you wouldn't. Stronghearts in our Forgotten Realms (the unique Amian reality) are stronger. What purpose does it serve to deviate from that norm in favor of resembling FRCS Stronghearts more? It doesn't make your PC more accurate, quite the opposite. (Since the Amian Strongheart is the accurate depiction of Stronghearts in our Realms. It's not as if everyone in our Luiren uses the FRCS stats.)

So, all it seems to boil down to is build purposes. And when it comes to that, you're stuck with what we offer. Wanting lower ECL and less Str is rather arbitrary, and you could argue similar justification for any subrace. (Human ethnicities aren't supposed to get any stat boni or penalties.) But we have certain rules and mechanics that define how the game works, and that's what we need to use.

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AlphaWaves

Posted: Sat, Sep 05 2009, 21:18 PM

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Thanks, Iron. That clears thing up a little better.

I get stuck in the FR setting as written, for reference purposes and for RP in PnP.

I just need to remember that Amia is not strictly FR.

My main idea was that I wanted a workaholic efficient strongheart. average strength (that's -8 for a halfer) and with the option of picking up rogue levels on the odd occasion without enduring an XP penalty.

It just bums me out thinking of these weird freakishly strong halflings. It wouldn't be as bad if they had just +0 strength (still 2 more than a normal halfling). I'm sure there's some justification for it somewhere. It's just kinda upsetting for me.

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Selvec Darkon

Posted: Sun, Sep 06 2009, 2:27 AM

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The STR get's evened out by the size penalty when grappling. So the freakish image of a hin tossing around a giant isn't gonna happen usually.

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AlphaWaves

Posted: Sun, Sep 06 2009, 15:55 PM

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Selvec Darkon wrote:

The STR get's evened out by the size penalty when grappling. So the freakish image of a hin tossing around a giant isn't gonna happen usually.

I would hardly say it evens out.

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TormakSaber

Posted: Sun, Sep 06 2009, 20:28 PM

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Considering that in PnP, halflings only get 3/4ths the weight capacity due to being small size, as well as having size mods, yes, it balances out.

I get the point you're trying to make but you're just going to have to deal with it. This is what Stronghearts are on Amia.

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AlphaWaves

Posted: Mon, Sep 07 2009, 1:26 AM

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Aye, Though, balance isn't the word I'd use. Hence the +2 ECL

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