I am quite sure the request was for all divine classes (which I guess includes rangers in FR, btw), but you never know if the script actually works on all of them.
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| Author: | fjook [ Mon, Aug 31 2009, 12:49 PM ] |
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Does it affect Champion of Torm class too? or just Pallys and Clerics? |
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| Author: | Nekhy [ Mon, Aug 31 2009, 12:50 PM ] |
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I think all divine classes are included. Paladins, clerics, druids, CoT's and BGs. (BG not being exclusively divine, btw) |
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| Author: | ainjyll [ Mon, Aug 31 2009, 13:45 PM ] |
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Having had a BG that fell, I can tell you it does affect them. So, I'd be willing to bet that it could hit a CoT as well. |
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| Author: | Nekhy [ Mon, Aug 31 2009, 13:49 PM ] |
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I am quite sure the request was for all divine classes (which I guess includes rangers in FR, btw), but you never know if the script actually works on all of them.
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| Author: | Galenson [ Mon, Aug 31 2009, 14:27 PM ] |
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The "fallen" scripts are alignment based. A Paladin will fall (they need to be LG) A CoT will fall (they need to be non-evil) A cleric won't. (They can be any alignment) Mechanically atleast... if you want to get a character to fall RPwise, I would really seriously reccommend speaking to a DM first. |
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| Author: | P Three [ Mon, Aug 31 2009, 15:25 PM ] |
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Isn't a cleric losing the favour of their deity the same thing, essentially? |
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| Author: | QPR [ Mon, Aug 31 2009, 16:49 PM ] |
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Clerics can fall too if they stray from their Deities dogma. As for rangers falling... with 3 ed, i cant really see how that could happen. Except if they start pissing on their deities idol or something similar. In good ol' 2e you could become a 'Fallen Ranger'... which i often became because it was a cool title. |
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| Author: | TormakSaber [ Mon, Aug 31 2009, 17:36 PM ] |
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Galenson wrote: The "fallen" scripts are alignment based.
A Paladin will fall (they need to be LG) A CoT will fall (they need to be non-evil) A cleric won't. (They can be any alignment) Mechanically atleast... if you want to get a character to fall RPwise, I would really seriously reccommend speaking to a DM first. Nope, they're not alignment based at all. And a cleric can fall! |
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| Author: | Basin [ Mon, Aug 31 2009, 18:03 PM ] |
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What about monks? I dont think they 'fall' so to speak but I recall reading that if they were to go against there oaths and say to say they may 'fall' and monk levels will turn into fighter instead, is this true or have a magically concocted this from somewhere. :lol: EDIT : Typo's. |
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| Author: | Nekhy [ Mon, Aug 31 2009, 18:05 PM ] |
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Monks are not included in the Amian fall-system. Might be a fun addition, though. |
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| Author: | IronAngel [ Mon, Aug 31 2009, 18:06 PM ] |
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Nah. Makes no sense. Monks don't fall, monks can be of any alignment. You just can't advance in Monk anymore if you're no longer Lawful. |
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| Author: | Maias227 [ Mon, Aug 31 2009, 18:45 PM ] |
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I would actually go as far as to say clerics are one of the classes alongside paladin most likely to fall. If they fail or directly go against the preached words of their patron their connection with the divine will be severed and they will loose their ability to cast spells. |
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| Author: | QPR [ Mon, Aug 31 2009, 20:18 PM ] |
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And 3.5 rules state that Ex-monks (those that advance in another class or move from lawful aligment) retain all their monk abilities. |
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| Author: | IronAngel [ Mon, Aug 31 2009, 20:20 PM ] |
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You don't exactly forget how to do a backflip if you stop your daily prayers, after all. |
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| Author: | Kraniumbrud [ Mon, Aug 31 2009, 20:28 PM ] |
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can rangers fall and lose thier devine casting abilities? |
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| Author: | 555444333 [ Mon, Aug 31 2009, 21:30 PM ] |
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Nekhy wrote: I am quite sure the request was for all divine classes (which I guess includes rangers in FR, btw),
Emphasis added |
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| Author: | Gunz [ Mon, Aug 31 2009, 22:30 PM ] |
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IronAngel wrote: Nah. Makes no sense. Monks don't fall, monks can be of any alignment. You just can't advance in Monk anymore if you're no longer Lawful.
Yeah, Monks can't fall. They can stop being Monks if they stray from Lawful though. They become Ex-Monks but retain all the levels they've gained. (including all the perks that come with those levels) |
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| Author: | ainjyll [ Mon, Aug 31 2009, 22:59 PM ] |
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I'm sure a cleric has fallen on Amia, but I'd love to see it happen more often. Especially in the really strict dogmas. I think a fallen cleric would be way more interesting than a fallen paladin. Not really sure why, just seems to be a pretty interesting dynamic to me. |
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| Author: | fjook [ Mon, Aug 31 2009, 23:00 PM ] |
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Galenson wrote: Mechanically atleast... if you want to get a character to fall RPwise, I would really seriously reccommend speaking to a DM first.
any suggestion on which DM becuase thats exactly what was going through my head. |
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| Author: | Yurell [ Tue, Sep 01 2009, 0:02 AM ] |
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555444333 wrote: Nekhy wrote: I am quite sure the request was for all divine classes (which I guess includes rangers in FR, btw), Emphasis added Yes! Make rangers fall too! Anyone that relies on a god for their power should run the risk of 'falling'. |
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| Author: | Galenson [ Tue, Sep 01 2009, 0:12 AM ] |
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TormakSaber wrote: Nope, they're not alignment based at all. And a cleric can fall! Ooooh. -Amian- based fallen system. Never knew there was such a thing, must be something that doesn't happen often. |
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| Author: | Metalien [ Tue, Sep 01 2009, 1:50 AM ] |
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Clerics can fall and when they do they can request (or get forcibly given) a "Fall Widget" that weighs a lovely 15lbs and prevents you from casting your spells.. and it has a lovely message that pops up and causes your PC to spazz out whenever you cross a transition.. oh.. and it's bugged (Disco, I'm sending you a PM with regards to this). |
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| Author: | BlackDahlya [ Tue, Sep 01 2009, 2:51 AM ] |
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Metalien_XC wrote: Clerics can fall and when they do they can request (or get forcibly given) a "Fall Widget" that weighs a lovely 15lbs and prevents you from casting your spells.. and it has a lovely message that pops up and causes your PC to spazz out whenever you cross a transition.. oh.. and it's bugged (Disco, I'm sending you a PM with regards to this).
No need. Just bump the thread I made about it. :P Actually, I will do that. I thought I was the only one suffering with the breaking of stealth when going through a transition, so I didn't want to insist on this too much. |
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| Author: | Yurell [ Tue, Sep 01 2009, 4:38 AM ] |
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Metalien_XC wrote: Clerics can fall and when they do they can request (or get forcibly given) a "Fall Widget" that weighs a lovely 15lbs and prevents you from casting your spells.. and it has a lovely message that pops up and causes your PC to spazz out whenever you cross a transition.. oh.. and it's bugged (Disco, I'm sending you a PM with regards to this).
15lbs? Isn't that a little, you know, excessive? |
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| Author: | Metalien [ Tue, Sep 01 2009, 4:43 AM ] |
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Beats me, but that's what it weighs. |
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| Author: | BlackDahlya [ Tue, Sep 01 2009, 4:56 AM ] |
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@ Meta & Yurell, concerning the weight: Responsibility Weighs? Freedom Weighs? The Price of Betrayal? The Consequence For Disregarding The Favor Received? Just kidding! Don't kill me! Anyway, I never noticed the weight. o.O |
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| Author: | ainjyll [ Tue, Sep 01 2009, 5:05 AM ] |
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fjook wrote: Galenson wrote: Mechanically atleast... if you want to get a character to fall RPwise, I would really seriously reccommend speaking to a DM first. any suggestion on which DM becuase thats exactly what was going through my head. I bet Kjetta would love to slap one on ya. He gave my character hers originally and kicked off a quite extensive bit of RP to get her powers back. |
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| Author: | TormakSaber [ Tue, Sep 01 2009, 6:15 AM ] |
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Any DM is suitable. |
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| Author: | Metalien [ Tue, Sep 01 2009, 6:47 AM ] |
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BlackDahlya wrote: Just kidding! Don't kill me!
*Chases Dri around with a knife* I dunno, it doesn't realy affect me because I can carry the extra weight easily, as could most Clerics or Paladins... so it's no big deal. |
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| Author: | Galenson [ Tue, Sep 01 2009, 9:02 AM ] |
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TormakSaber wrote: Any DM is suitable.
Except WonWon. He's getting a suntan and drinking fosters. |
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| Author: | Transcendental Templar [ Tue, Sep 01 2009, 10:30 AM ] |
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Redemption quests can often be quite fun, by the way. I recall running a few, after slapping the fall widget on a couple of PCs in my time (one of which -asked- me for a fall, and elaborated on why he/she felt the fall was deserved) I think some were very entertaining. So asking any DM for a fall, if you feel your character ICly deserves it for some misdeed, is quite alright. |
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| Author: | Nekhy [ Tue, Sep 01 2009, 10:56 AM ] |
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Galenson wrote: Ooooh. -Amian- based fallen system. Never knew there was such a thing, must be something that doesn't happen often.
Falling happens quite a lot, in fact. DMs get messages when a fallen PC logs in, and I've seen those a lot now, though I haven't felled anyone myself lately. But I doubt a lot of characters tell everyone that their deity cut the mana-cord thanks to unpaid bills of reverence. |
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| Author: | Metalien [ Tue, Sep 01 2009, 12:55 PM ] |
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Transcendental Templar wrote: one of which -asked- me for a fall, and elaborated on why he/she felt the fall was deserved
I asked for mine too! Yay me? 
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| Author: | ClockworkRed [ Wed, Sep 02 2009, 7:36 AM ] |
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Is monk a divine class? I thought their powers come from Ki, whatever that is, and are not given to them by a god. |
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| Author: | TormakSaber [ Wed, Sep 02 2009, 7:41 AM ] |
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Monks are not divine but many monk orders are associated with a deity. |
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| Author: | Yurell [ Wed, Sep 02 2009, 8:12 AM ] |
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ClockworkRed wrote: I thought their powers come from Ki, whatever that is, and are not given to them by a god.
You thought correctly AFAIK. |
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| Author: | Magiros [ Wed, Sep 02 2009, 8:19 AM ] |
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Someone mentioned all divine classes can fall. So it means druids can fall too. Would like to see em fall! |
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