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Author:  Nekhy [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:02 AM ]
Post subject:  Weight Watchers of Amia - for people with large file sizes
Now that the topic of big file sizes came up, I ran a search for characters active in the past month, and came up with some interesting results. There's over 20 people with files bigger than 1MB, and a few closing to 2MB. There's also a ton of people with way over 600KB. Imagine what 50 of those does for the server that has to deal with them all, as well as all the other stuff. NWN isn't built for such.

Ideally, it should be somewhere around 500KB to make the load easy for the server. We'll be picking people for checks to see what they could lose.

This isn't a joking matter, btw, despite my fondness for funny topic titles. These characters can lag and crash the server and make rebuilding nigh impossible, because a DM avatar almost always crashes with such amounts of stuff. And backups are not always available.

So, if you got a lot of stuff, start checking through it now. Items with long descriptions are big culprits, and so are gems, plants and other non-stackable items.

Thanks
Author:  Kjetta [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:04 AM ]
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I still say: make the best magic bag on the market have a maximum of 60% weight reduction, maybe have bags of holding as epic loot, then you'd see this problem vaporize, I bet. ;)
Author:  Yossarin [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:05 AM ]
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Grumble, I'll log my PC in and parse it up somehow. Ideally IC!
Author:  Nekhy [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:06 AM ]
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Take Bags of Holding out completely. They're nothing but a nuisance when it comes to keeping the server running smoothly.

I'll bet that if we removed all Bags of Holding from the shops and the people, we'd have significantly less lag with 50+ players logged in.
Author:  ticket [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:08 AM ]
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Just to chime in... maybe it would be nice to teach people how to find out how big their character's file are.

The only way I know on how to check it is by going to options and then choosing save character. Then browsing to my local vault and checking up on the file.

Is there a faster way?
Author:  Torzeng [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:09 AM ]
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:O

I wonder how badly I scored now. Hehheh. A lot of my "junk" is all memories. It's a habbit of mine in any game to hold onto memorabilia, regardless I could sell it and buy it back from any vendor. It's the little detail in the back of my mind that, to my character, it's the very same item still.

... not to mention all the questy stuff sitting on my last page so I don't accidentally do something to them somehow.
Author:  hendrack [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:10 AM ]
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Run Teshar, ruuun!
Author:  Kjetta [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:10 AM ]
Post subject: 
Nekhy wrote:
Take Bags of Holding out completely. They're nothing but a nuisance when it comes to keeping the server running smoothly.

I'll bet that if we removed all Bags of Holding from the shops and the people, we'd have significantly less lag with 50+ players logged in.


I like this.
Author:  TormakSaber [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:11 AM ]
Post subject: 
Kjetta wrote:
Nekhy wrote:
Take Bags of Holding out completely. They're nothing but a nuisance when it comes to keeping the server running smoothly.

I'll bet that if we removed all Bags of Holding from the shops and the people, we'd have significantly less lag with 50+ players logged in.


I like this.


I don't, and I'm the one it matters the least for, being an STR fighter.
Author:  Lally [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:14 AM ]
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Cerri would be screwed. As would a lot of low str peeps. I'd vote no on that, sorry. I only have a few bags of holding by the way, but I need them.
Author:  corypx [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:15 AM ]
Post subject: 
Nekhy wrote:
Now that the topic of big file sizes came up, I ran a search for characters active in the past month, and came up with some interesting results. There's over 20 people with files bigger than 1MB, and a few closing to 2MB.


yeah I bet I'm near 2MB, I know this is not a joking matter but I cant help it..... I'm I the winner or maybe in this case losser?
Author:  Torzeng [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:16 AM ]
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TormakSaber wrote:
Kjetta wrote:
Nekhy wrote:
Take Bags of Holding out completely. They're nothing but a nuisance when it comes to keeping the server running smoothly.

I'll bet that if we removed all Bags of Holding from the shops and the people, we'd have significantly less lag with 50+ players logged in.


I like this.


I don't, and I'm the one it matters the least for, being an STR fighter.


It's just too impractical to remove them entirely. I can see us being cut down to a max percentage. But you'll find me carrying less heal kits to make room for my precious tiddlywinks.

Mind, I carry 120 healkits a run in an 80% box with potions.
Author:  Selvec Darkon [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:18 AM ]
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Take away those bags, say goodbye to most of the Rogues and Mages on Amia.
Author:  Nekhy [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:20 AM ]
Post subject: 
ticket wrote:
Just to chime in... maybe it would be nice to teach people how to find out how big their character's file are.

The only way I know on how to check it is by going to options and then choosing save character. Then browsing to my local vault and checking up on the file.

Is there a faster way?


The size you see on your computer from an exported file is a bit smaller than the size on Amia. We got a lot of information stored on the character, which adds up some bulk but also gets deleted when you export.

But no, there isn't any other way to see the size.
Author:  CTX [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:23 AM ]
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Yeah-huh. My Sorceress is a complete wimp. Wimp! With a capital "W"!

If I lost all my Bags of Holding, which are only three, I would be screwed, too. Not even casting Bull's Strength would help.

Of course, if you guys would like to give an exchange for surrendering the bags, like let's say....a belt that gives plus ten to strength, I would be happy to give them over. :D That's the only way I can be able to carry anything at all.

Sadly, giving such an item is both impossible and bad.
Author:  Selvec Darkon [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:23 AM ]
Post subject: 
Nekhy wrote:
ticket wrote:
Just to chime in... maybe it would be nice to teach people how to find out how big their character's file are.

The only way I know on how to check it is by going to options and then choosing save character. Then browsing to my local vault and checking up on the file.

Is there a faster way?


The size you see on your computer from an exported file is a bit smaller than the size on Amia. We got a lot of information stored on the character, which adds up some bulk but also gets deleted when you export.

But no, there isn't any other way to see the size.


Including all your tells!

They know which of you cybers! :twisted:
Author:  Gunz [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:24 AM ]
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::sigh:: I know I'm guilty... but I can't help it! I'm a pack rat!
Author:  soundofastream [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:27 AM ]
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Illithira is in the top ten, but I hardly log her in and she sits on B-mia 90% of the time these days. Still, if need be, I could do yet another cull of stuff to help lose some gear and thus increase space again?

I find a lot of stuff hardly gets used, it just sits in the inventory just in case...

Then there is all that stuff you're saving for some PC, for when they log in, yet you never seem to meet up with them.

Do stacks of say 10 potions count as 10KB (that is 10 items?).

What about 99 bullets? What counts and adds to the problem and what doesn't?

If 99 bullets is 10 times worse than 10 potions, then get rid of Magic Ammo bags...
Author:  FA_Frey_XC [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:27 AM ]
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I've already removed stuff I can.

Don't take away bags of holding, you cruel cruel people.

*sigh*

Oh STR of 10 don't fail me now!

*grumblesmurf*

Regards,
Author:  Nekhy [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:29 AM ]
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Well, taking away the bags is a radical solution. SOMETHING should be done, I don't care what it is as long as it means leaner files.
Author:  Selvec Darkon [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:30 AM ]
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Make them actually use the storage system at Kempo's and in the Temple of Waukeen?
Author:  Magnum Opera [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:33 AM ]
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Dexxer says: "How do I carry loot"?
Author:  soundofastream [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:33 AM ]
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Get rid of Ammo Bags, that'll reduce the amount of useless ammo we all have but hardly ever use. Make Ammo bags available only to those whose primary weapon is a missile weapon (by DM request).

That's 99KB per stack reduced I think?
Author:  soundofastream [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:35 AM ]
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Make Yuant-ti Gems sellable in other places other than the Abyss and the Gauntlet store. I'll guarantee I'll sell all my gems then!
Author:  Magnum Opera [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:37 AM ]
Post subject: 
soundofastream wrote:
Get rid of Ammo Bags, that'll reduce the amount of useless ammo we all have but hardly ever use. Make Ammo bags available only to those whose primary weapon is a missile weapon (by DM request).

That's 99KB per stack reduced I think?


That's some serious micromanagement right there.

I'd say write up some guidelines on how to help reduce file size. Increased knowledge and awareness goes a long way.
Author:  TormakSaber [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:38 AM ]
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I honestly don't see it as an issue. Despite these filesizes, we don't seem to lag. It only comes up during rebuilds, and, well, all you packrats should know about how that goes by now. We'll trim it ourselves on the spot, and you probably won't like it, so slim it down yourself first.
Author:  ticket [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:41 AM ]
Post subject: 
Nekhy wrote:
The size you see on your computer from an exported file is a bit smaller than the size on Amia. We got a lot of information stored on the character, which adds up some bulk but also gets deleted when you export.

But no, there isn't any other way to see the size.


Damn, then I'm definitely over the 500kb limit by now.

What we need is a bigger storage system! Something like the Job System's merchant boxes. Charge the players 5000 for every item deposited and 1000 for every item withdrawn. :D
Author:  soundofastream [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:42 AM ]
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Right O. Umm one question, do archived PCs count? I've plenty of those...I'd be happy to delete a stack if that helps?
Author:  Nekhy [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:48 AM ]
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It's really quite simple to reduce the size in the end:

- Get rid of most of the consumable stuff you don't need daily. This includes ammo, potions, foods etc. Do you really need a stack of 100's of potions at hand every given moment, or could you instead do some planning before you go adventuring and buy the stuff only when you are gonna use it?

- Get rid of books. You can scribe them into a journal on the forums, for example. Long descriptions add a lot of KB's to the size. Or read books in the library.

- Get a storage item for stuff like gems. You won't be able to see the gems in your inventory, but they're safely tucked away nonetheless. You can't see your DCs and they're still there, so why do you need to see your gems or herbs?

- Regularly check for items you don't really need but carry around "just in case". The chances are you won't be needing them. Only keep stuff like plot items and historical trinkets.

- The bottom line: prioritise!








Archived characters don't count. I only looked at characters used in the past 30 days. The size is only a problem when you're logged in to the server, when the server has to do something with the file.
Author:  Pony [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:55 AM ]
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Before I will start doing those things, are any of my characters even affected by the large size?
Author:  corypx [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 8:56 AM ]
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yeah post the list :D

if not Nekhy could you tell me my size, you can post it here I dont mind.

Am I 2048kb unbuffed :wink:
Author:  Nekhy [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 9:43 AM ]
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Alright. Cory, you're the sixth worst offender, at nearly 1200KB. Time for a bit of cleaning.

Phear's not on the list.
Author:  Azrael [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 9:57 AM ]
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Could we have the top ten list posted publicly? :P

...only to be removed from the list after trimming. Then they know for sure, to do some cleaning up. :wink:


p.s. Am I in the clear? ^^
Author:  Nekhy [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 10:21 AM ]
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Azrael wrote:
Could we have the top ten list posted publicly? :P

...only to be removed from the list after trimming. Then they know for sure, to do some cleaning up. :wink:


p.s. Am I in the clear? ^^


Nah, but I will post anyone's size if they so wish.

You're in the clear so far.
Author:  xordae [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 10:23 AM ]
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Any of my characters exceed 500KB? There's a few who should at least approach it...
Author:  mairacle_ninja [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 10:23 AM ]
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Could you post my file sizes Goose? I have a feeling that they're gonna be a bit oversized, although it could just be me. Might as well check in case.
Author:  Ziacat [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 10:30 AM ]
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If you are worried about the amount of items you have, you can ask DMs IG to check how many items you have in the inventory. Though be warned that it may not be in everyone's top priority list, but it doesn't hurt to ask politely.
Author:  FA_Frey_XC [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 10:39 AM ]
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Frey should be under the 1MB line now... he's a wizard / PM tho.. so he's suppose to have a bunch of "useless" stuff!

:P

Feel free to tell me his standing , oh Mother Goose.

Regards,
Author:  herkles [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 10:43 AM ]
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I want to know the standing for my charachters, lualyrr tinnerai, amareth norre'altin, and Fariha. I am not concerned that they are over the limit, as I seriously doubt it.

Also what of allowing the storage system to have more than one page, I believe that is the biggest limitation. Their is only one item page there, and thus that is only so much you can store there.
Author:  Yurell [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 10:45 AM ]
Post subject: 
Nekhy wrote:
Azrael wrote:
Could we have the top ten list posted publicly? :P

...only to be removed from the list after trimming. Then they know for sure, to do some cleaning up. :wink:


p.s. Am I in the clear? ^^


Nah, but I will post anyone's size if they so wish.

You're in the clear so far.


Oh yes, yes, I'd like to know.
Author:  Yurell [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 10:45 AM ]
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TormakSaber wrote:
Kjetta wrote:
Nekhy wrote:
Take Bags of Holding out completely. They're nothing but a nuisance when it comes to keeping the server running smoothly.

I'll bet that if we removed all Bags of Holding from the shops and the people, we'd have significantly less lag with 50+ players logged in.


I like this.


I don't, and I'm the one it matters the least for, being an STR fighter.


I agree with Tormak ... removing magic bags would suck. Anyone with low str would be horribly, horribly nerfed.
Author:  herkles [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 10:48 AM ]
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Problem with removing bags of holding is that if we were to remove them, and toss all the items on the character, some characters would not have the strength to move anywhere. thus they would be stuck where they are when previously with bags of holding they could move.
Author:  Dev Disco [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 10:56 AM ]
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Mind that I can detect when you have more than 500 items on you (or whatever the number is when you get a warning). If I can detect it I can also block you from entering the server...
Author:  Gunz [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 11:14 AM ]
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I'm pretty sure I'm still on the list with Willow. But I promise, I got rid of a ton of junk when I rebuilt. >.>

I was at... like, 2MB >.>

Now, I'm probably half that. I'll see what else I can trim.
Author:  BlackDahlya [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 11:14 AM ]
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I have too many characters, even though I only play 5 currently. If it's not a hassle, pray tell if any of mine are above the limit?

If it's too much of a hassle, I will check it next time I log on.
Author:  Xiru [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 11:42 AM ]
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Allow muling. I think it's totally unreasonable to ask us to get rid of stuff while not letting us have mules.
Author:  Nekhy [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 11:46 AM ]
Post subject: 
Xiru wrote:
Allow muling. I think it's totally unreasonable to ask us to get rid of stuff while not letting us have mules.


I find it more unreasonable to ask to clutter up yet more of someone else's server storage capacity, when the service you get is free, nonetheless.

It's not that MB's here and there matter, it's the principle that matters.
Author:  Xiru [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 11:47 AM ]
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Good point, but I still don't think it's fair.

EDIT: In any case, you should post a list of characters with their filesizes.
Author:  Selvec Darkon [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 11:56 AM ]
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*Coughs*

Um...might have been me when Calin had a whole armory in his inventory.

My bet is that Yos is up there xD, and most other Traders heh.
Author:  Nekhy [ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 11:56 AM ]
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It's not fair to cause DMs excess work, when rebuilds go wrong thanks to big file sizes. It's not fair, that DMs have hard time possessing NPCs to run events when the server is full, because it's lagging so much (some DMs get lucky, like Tormak, but he seems an exception or maybe he's just saturated with lag). It's not fair that other players might get extra server lag from all the scripts running through massive inventories, hogging resources.

Nope, none of that is fair, just like losing some items isn't fair.
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