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| Author: | TheNamelessUnknown1 [ Sat, Jun 13 2009, 16:59 PM ] |
| Post subject: | expertise and improved expertise |
are they disabled during spellcasting? By default they can be used while your casting spells, but that can be disabled so that while your casting you drop out of the expertise mode. I was wondering because i dont want to waste the two feats if it's disabled |
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| Author: | Gravemaskin [ Sat, Jun 13 2009, 17:01 PM ] |
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you can't use them and cast at the same time to my knowledge. Was done to keep the multiclassed sorcs and wizzies that hit 64 AC from hitting 74 and such, if I remember right. |
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| Author: | Dwagin [ Sat, Jun 13 2009, 17:39 PM ] |
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there is a hook that was included in one of the patches to allow them to be disabled with spellcasting but it is not the default state, Chickn or someone else is gonna have to say for sure. |
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| Author: | Uberuce [ Sat, Jun 13 2009, 17:43 PM ] |
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No casty. |
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| Author: | drahgon [ Sat, Jun 13 2009, 20:54 PM ] |
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nope, I tried it on a power lvl server once, when you cast the spell it turns off IE and E |
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| Author: | TormakSaber [ Sat, Jun 13 2009, 21:41 PM ] |
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Yeah, it's disabled when you cast, thank god. Now if Obsidian would fix this for NWN2. |
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| Author: | Selvec Darkon [ Sun, Jun 14 2009, 0:35 AM ] |
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Both are very nifty feat's if you plan on taking a corner sneak. |
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| Author: | maughter [ Sun, Jun 14 2009, 1:19 AM ] |
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the idea is cast spells when you aren't being attacked, and use expertise to keep them from hitting you if they target you |
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| Author: | ILoveIceCream [ Sun, Jun 14 2009, 1:31 AM ] |
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if you're a mage, and you're getting hit....you're doing it wrong, unless your opponet is a monk you can't outrun him |
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| Author: | Yurell [ Sun, Jun 14 2009, 2:14 AM ] |
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ILoveIceCream wrote: if you're a mage, and you're getting hit....you're doing it wrong, unless your opponet is a monk you can't outrun him
Mestil's Acid Sheathe BoT'd to frost vs Fire Giants? |
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| Author: | ILoveIceCream [ Sun, Jun 14 2009, 2:33 AM ] |
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I was meaning in PVP instances |
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| Author: | Yurell [ Sun, Jun 14 2009, 2:38 AM ] |
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ILoveIceCream wrote: I was meaning in PVP instances
Again, it depends what you're fighting. If your enemy can't hurt you, and does sixty damage to himself every time he tries, why not? |
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| Author: | ILoveIceCream [ Sun, Jun 14 2009, 2:45 AM ] |
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anyone worth his salt is going to have a couple of mord scrolls ready.....so unless you're fighting a newb or something.....chances are it's just a waste of a spell slot |
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| Author: | Yurell [ Sun, Jun 14 2009, 2:49 AM ] |
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ILoveIceCream wrote: anyone worth his salt is going to have a couple of mord scrolls ready.....so unless you're fighting a newb or something.....chances are it's just a waste of a spell slot
Right, can you tell me how my character with no UMD uses a mord scroll? |
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| Author: | TormakSaber [ Sun, Jun 14 2009, 3:03 AM ] |
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If you're a mage and using scrolls to Mord's people, you're not doing it correctly. You can cast it hasted and more effectively yourself. |
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| Author: | ILoveIceCream [ Sun, Jun 14 2009, 3:14 AM ] |
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Yurell wrote: ILoveIceCream wrote: anyone worth his salt is going to have a couple of mord scrolls ready.....so unless you're fighting a newb or something.....chances are it's just a waste of a spell slot Right, can you tell me how my character with no UMD uses a mord scroll? well....that's the problem there, you don't have UMD |
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| Author: | ILoveIceCream [ Sun, Jun 14 2009, 3:16 AM ] |
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TormakSaber wrote: If you're a mage and using scrolls to Mord's people, you're not doing it correctly. You can cast it hasted and more effectively yourself.
I wasn't speaking about mages using mord scrolls of course, most mages have the spell itself and dont need the scrolls |
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| Author: | Galenson [ Sun, Jun 14 2009, 3:17 AM ] |
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TormakSaber wrote: Yeah, it's disabled when you cast, thank god. Now if Obsidian would fix this for NWN2.
Difference is that Expertise and Imp expertise is only +3 and +6 AC respectively in NWN2. |
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| Author: | Yurell [ Sun, Jun 14 2009, 3:18 AM ] |
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ILoveIceCream wrote: Yurell wrote: ILoveIceCream wrote: anyone worth his salt is going to have a couple of mord scrolls ready.....so unless you're fighting a newb or something.....chances are it's just a waste of a spell slot Right, can you tell me how my character with no UMD uses a mord scroll? well....that's the problem there, you don't have UMD So, by that logic, anyone without UMD is a newb or not worth their salt? Edit: Actually, by that logic, anyone without UMD and more Mords scrolls than a mage has buffs is. |
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| Author: | ILoveIceCream [ Sun, Jun 14 2009, 3:21 AM ] |
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yep, pretty much. though some builds can do without. |
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| Author: | Yurell [ Sun, Jun 14 2009, 3:24 AM ] |
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ILoveIceCream wrote: yep, pretty much. though some builds can do without.
So if I got Ruce to make a build without UMD, he'd be a newb? Or would he be not worth his salt, I'm not sure which applies where? And all those with level 30 clerics, for example, are also newbs, or not worth their salt? |
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| Author: | Selvec Darkon [ Sun, Jun 14 2009, 3:25 AM ] |
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And that is one of the things that grates at my nerves about this wonderful server. At times, it does feel like UMD is expected, rather then optional. |
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| Author: | ILoveIceCream [ Sun, Jun 14 2009, 3:29 AM ] |
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Yurell wrote: ILoveIceCream wrote: yep, pretty much. though some builds can do without. So if I got Ruce to make a build without UMD, he'd be a newb? Or would he be not worth his salt, I'm not sure which applies where? And all those with level 30 clerics, for example, are also newbs, or not worth their salt? some builds can do without, that's one of them |
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| Author: | Yurell [ Sun, Jun 14 2009, 3:34 AM ] |
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ILoveIceCream wrote: Yurell wrote: ILoveIceCream wrote: yep, pretty much. though some builds can do without. So if I got Ruce to make a build without UMD, he'd be a newb? Or would he be not worth his salt, I'm not sure which applies where? And all those with level 30 clerics, for example, are also newbs, or not worth their salt? some builds can do without, that's one of them Then how can you say: ILoveIceCream wrote: well....that's the problem there, you don't have UMD
without first knowing my build? |
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| Author: | ILoveIceCream [ Sun, Jun 14 2009, 3:42 AM ] |
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hmmm good point, only assumed it wasn't a pure cleric. Not much of those around. |
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| Author: | Dwagin [ Sun, Jun 14 2009, 4:11 AM ] |
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let us join hands and sing songs. Being strife-filled and snarky is so last month. Promote the community. *Puts on a red beret* |
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| Author: | TormakSaber [ Sun, Jun 14 2009, 5:29 AM ] |
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Let he who beith not the n00b, cast the first stone. |
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| Author: | Uberuce [ Sun, Jun 14 2009, 7:16 AM ] |
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Selvec Darkon wrote: And that is one of the things that grates at my nerves about this wonderful server. At times, it does feel like UMD is expected, rather then optional. I fought against it for a couple of years, but now I've given up. The ability to read arcane scrolls is a pre-requisite for an effective PvP platform. Wish it wasn't, but it's a feature of NWN that isn't going to go away.
Tumble 30 is likewise a pre-requisite for a good meleer. Likewise I wish it wasn't, but that's NWN for you. I dunno if it's specific to Amia. On a server where your builds need vetted by DMs first, I guess they could veto melee types taking a dash of Rogue or Bard, but on such a server, the disincentive to play tanks would be huge. |
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| Author: | Jan Busta [ Sun, Jun 14 2009, 8:01 AM ] |
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*head scratch* uuuhmm...correct me if I'm wrong and call me a noob if you like- and it's true, I've never played a UMD dumped pc - BUUUUUUUUT, from my understanding of the mechanics of spell res, and the save rolls connected to Mord's if cast from a scroll against a level 30 pure caster (especially one with spell res)....Mords will have about as much effect as a spit ball in Hell ...... then again, I'm nprobably a noob to all this mechanics 
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| Author: | TormakSaber [ Sun, Jun 14 2009, 8:13 AM ] |
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Jan Busta wrote: *head scratch*
uuuhmm...correct me if I'm wrong and call me a noob if you like- and it's true, I've never played a UMD dumped pc - BUUUUUUUUT, from my understanding of the mechanics of spell res, and the save rolls connected to Mord's if cast from a scroll against a level 30 pure caster (especially one with spell res)....Mords will have about as much effect as a spit ball in Hell ...... then again, I'm nprobably a noob to all this mechanics Mords works because it functions as a Greater Spell Breach + an uncapped dispel rolled into one. Even if you don't dispel anything, you're guaranteed to Breach off 6 spells off the breach list, and give -10 to their SR |
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