Anyways, this sounds completely awesome. An actually secret faction.

Color me intrigued. The only problem being, I don't know what the Sharrans are (although I gather that is good in the fact that their very successful at being secret). Not knowing who they are, nor would any of my characters, I haven't a clue as to whether or not any of my pc's would fit. But I am intrigued, and I love the perma-death, or potential of perma-death idea.

Faerunians, as a whole, generally fear and respect Shar as a Greater Deity. Sharran clergy in the FR setting are the ones who seek out people who've suffered losses great and small. They sow seeds of retribution in the unwary hearts and minds of commoners and nobles alike, and are often sough out by those seeking revenge for a slight, however great or small. Lay worshipers keep an eye out for others who might be susceptible to conversion or manipulation in such cases. There are even a couple of cities where Sharrans can be found quite easily, just by asking around, and publicly at that.

How common are Priests of Shar?

so i could make a new character and make them a sharran to get in on this rp?

It never was a secret, and it certainly isn't now.

Aye, secretive, not secret.

Having said that, whilst i've known about the sharrans for a long time now, IC'ly, I wouldn't know if one was staring me in the face, I'd say they're one of the most secretive factions I know of.

There's another, more secretive faction!

Shh! *shifty eyes* No one's sposed to know about that one...

IDK really but Harpers seems the obvious choice.

That being said any players who consider joining the Sharran cell should know we are unlike the majority of factions that the player base knows of. We take pride in our achievements, we take pride in secrecy as such to reduce meta gaming and infiltration of our ranks we require an OOC agreement to be made. This agreement consists of the perma death of your character if they are ever found to be betraying the faction.

Lastly, over the years we have come to know the player base very well, some of you will have a reputation for meta game, some of you will in our eyes not be suited for the faction, others might play in a style that is not suited for the Sharran Cell, this is just a small list of reasons as to why some of you will be rejected

Factions may have different requirements for membership. Faction leaders decide these requirements ultimately, and they may choose to delegate decisions to other members within their faction.

:!: Faction leaders have the responsibility to make sure their chosen new members are trustworthy players. In case the leader has reason to suspect the player abusing information available to him via a faction, or 'metagaming', he or she may choose to not accept this player into the faction.

I really don't like the RP elitism vibe this post is giving off.

I find it personally rude and maybe a little arrogant to ignore someone that RPs with you on the basis that they don't accept "perma death" or your own special rules.

I also fail to understand how opening up a call for applications to a player base you obviously find incompetent for role paying with is a good idea? To me, it seems as if you are advising your secret club and saying "Cool kids only!"

I really hate it when RP has to be neutralized or undone because feel they were metagamed or unhappy with the outcome and this faction seems to scream of this type of behavior.

I might be far off from the mark but the rampant distrust, open calls of player incompetence, and elitist tone seem to persuade me.

I am mostly concerned over this "RP Immunity" you seem to be touting by demanding non server rules to carry out RP. I would be rather angry if I started some RP and had someone message me that if we were to continue I would have to accept permanent death. I am assuming this is allowed by a Dm since they are the conduit of this message but I will at least voice my concerns.

I am posting mostly because I want my fears either confirmed or proven horribly false. I had just recently been thinking on hunting down the Sharrans or learning more about them ICly but this post changed my opinion of the faction. I hope my view is a distorted one.

I am assuming this is allowed by a Dm since they are the conduit of this message but I will at least voice my concerns.

I'm pointing this out, because the post is in no way meant to offend you personally, but the way you responded to it seems like you took personal offence about the ways another faction wishes to handle its internal affairs, to which they have every right in the world.

The reason being this faction this faith is based entirely around secrecy, if Amia was played in a more realistic setting we would be a more open faction.

But this is not the case, everyone on Amia knows all the lore on deities there secret agenda’s the true purpose, because of this we have to play in a different style as to what players may have read in FR novels.

No one needs to be a lore-junkie IC to know: Shar = baaaad and secretive.

Speaking of "what Sharrans are known for".....not to sidetrack from your Shadow Weave topic, but what the Amian populace (PCs) think of Sharrans differs -greatly- from what the general Faerunian populace thinks of Sharrans. Both as a player, and a DM, I would like to see the two viewpoints come closer together than what they are now.

Faerunians, as a whole, generally fear and respect Shar as a Greater Deity. Sharran clergy in the FR setting are the ones who seek out people who've suffered losses great and small. They sow seeds of retribution in the unwary hearts and minds of commoners and nobles alike, and are often sough out by those seeking revenge for a slight, however great or small. Lay worshipers keep an eye out for others who might be susceptible to conversion or manipulation in such cases. There are even a couple of cities where Sharrans can be found quite easily, just by asking around, and publicly at that.

Amians characters, on the other hand, seem to instinctively "know" all about Shar and her secret agenda to revert everything back into oblivion, when in reality, not even all of her (FR) followers really understand even that wide-ranging ideal.

Shar is a goddess who essentially embodies the worst nightmare imaginable to the common folk of Faerun. They grow up hearing stories about your sins coming back on you, of revenge being taken for the merest slight, and are told to treat others as they would be treated....or else bad things will come back on you. All this they attribute to several deities, but the most widely known one is Shar. As such, the majority of the gods-fearing populace of Abeir-Toril pay at least lip-service to Shar to appease her, and keep from being sought out for revenge.

I'm not sure, but I don't think raise dead work like that. I think it's the raisee, not the raiseer, who will gain insight about the patron deity and aligbment of the raiser and can refuse to be raised on those grounds. However, if he/she accepts, he will not carry with him/her that information back into life.

Nobody who is alive knows this either. So you can't go, "Well, he raised me, that means that my dead self approves of him; he can't be all that bad" either.

I think.

I'm not sure, but I don't think raise dead work like that. I think it's the raisee, not the raiseer, who will gain insight about the patron deity and aligbment of the raiser and can refuse to be raised on those grounds. However, if he/she accepts, he will not carry with him/her that information back into life.

Nobody who is alive knows this either. So you can't go, "Well, he raised me, that means that my dead self approves of him; he can't be all that bad" either.

I think.

That's correct, if you'd've cited your sources you'd know but it is correct, having had a cursory glance at a few older threads this was the defined legit, DM team approved answer.

As for metagamers, I just avoid them. If I have to RP with one, I give them the absolute minimum of information.

since this has turned into complete spam im going to go ahead and say i wish i was psychic *tear drop*