silly question, how can they open doors without hands.

BBoD and invis to farm is cheep, im sure everyone agrees on that.

I dont want BBoD or Invis to get nerfed, im sure everyone agrees on that.

So lets not do things the cheep way, and keep our spells, rather then be cheep, and force them to change our spells.

Take a buddy with you, or simply use spells that dont make you feel dirty.

BBOD + invis

Except any powergamer who thinks that';s the fastest way to 30 needs to turn in their powergaming bage.

Besides, it's fixed.

That's illegal? O.o

Sure, it's cheap. But isn't it the intelligent approach, realisticly away, to the challenge presented in those narrow tunnels?

Give scouts See Invis, then invisible mage disappears.

Those Scouts have dragonsight; it's an AI issue which someone feathered in Holland is working on.

Those Scouts have dragonsight; it's an AI issue which someone feathered in Holland is working on.

Oh, so they're attacking the thing that's actually harming them ad no the shady character in the corner?
I think it's a fairly reasonable tactic ... one that I never use, though.

I rather hope he's talking about something worse. Because there is no way that they can call being invis while using a BBoD an offence in any way, when the "nerf" of GS specifically made it so you become invis.

If it's a clever use of corners/doors, again, I don't think this can be called an exploit. At least, not an illegal one. Use of terrain to gain an advantage is part of the game.

Really, it'd likely be more helpful if the dm's just SAID what the alleged exploit is, because it's genuinely possible that people might be doing it who just don't realise that it's an illegal exploit. Not saying what it is, really means yoo can't do anything to someone you catch doing "it", because they can legitimately say that they had no way of knowing what ya'll were talking about.

Stop exploiting the AI.


Those who know what I'm on about; stop. And don't mention the details in this thread.

Those who don't; you're fine. It's pretty obvious if you're doing it that it's "Not Good", so you won't be doing it accidently.

Oh, so they're attacking the thing that's actually harming them ad no the shady character in the corner?
I think it's a fairly reasonable tactic ... one that I never use, though.

Give the mages more Banishment spells. It works surprisingly well on BBOD's. Like 9/10 times.

If it's a clever use of corners/doors, again, I don't think this can be called an exploit. At least, not an illegal one. Use of terrain to gain an advantage is part of the game.

Those who know what I'm on about; stop. And don't mention the details in this thread.

Those who don't; you're fine. It's pretty obvious if you're doing it that it's "Not Good", so you won't be doing it accidently.

Really, it'd likely be more helpful if the dm's just SAID what the alleged exploit is, because it's genuinely possible that people might be doing it who just don't realise that it's an illegal exploit. Not saying what it is, really means yoo can't do anything to someone you catch doing "it", because they can legitimately say that they had no way of knowing what ya'll were talking about.

Let's clarify a bit: if you are under known effect that would make the beholders not attack you (such as HIPS or GS, to think of two) and they start attacking you when that effect ends, you are not exploiting anything.

If, however, they should attack you by all logic but yet you did some odd trick that caused them not to attack you, then you are exploiting the AI.

If you DID do it by accident, it's a good idea to inform a DM of what happened so that you don't get banned for doing something by accident.

Those Scouts have dragonsight; it's an AI issue which someone feathered in Holland is working on.

I'd rather not advertise an exploit, publically, on the forums if I can avoid it.

a.k.a.: The Scouts should see you in Invis and omnomnom your balls off. AI currently does not.

If you do it, a DM might just possess the monsters and make them act intelligently to your detriment. They are, afterall, beholders; extremely intelligent, logical, rational creatures.

Best solution yet.
At least until someone fixes the AI.

I'd rather have dm's doing rp plots and stuff than playing parents with the one or two people who exploit bugs..so whoever is doing this bug, whatever this bug may be, just stop and don't ruin the game for everyone else because you want that +6 belt of strength or whatever you're farming the beholders for

Best solution yet.
At least until someone fixes the AI.

I'm having serious deja-vu about the original post by Wonwon.

I could have sworn I've seen it before.

"Hmm, I am an incredibly intelligent beholder.I understand magic. This beast here, he's summoned. I've seen my mage dispel one already and another came back. IT also might be a big black floating rift thing that I can't seem to hurt, but holy crap, it just killed by buddy.

Wait, who';s that shady dude standing over there? Ah ha. Clarly the mage controlling these. All it takes is one little eye zap and the bastard's dinner. I have an open shot too. It'd fix all my problems.

Nah, lemme keep chomping on this funny little black sword thi- oh god it stabbed me blargh I'm dead."

I agree in principle, but taken further the logic of this argument would pretty much make levelling impossible, especially in party. Any monster with an ounce of sense who sees two big beefy guys with large swords in fullplate, a ponce in a chainshirt with a lute, a nerdy or pretty guy in a robe, and a wiry wee bloke in black...is not going to spawn in. Fwwwuuuuck that.

Why does this only happens at beholders? Using a summon and invis anywhere else is alright?

I had this happen on another server about 6 years ago which I was DMing for at the time.. A particular player kept soloing some Aranea caves, so I had a dev create a particular Bebilith for me with some ridiculously high stats and alot of immunities.. (One in particular being 30 / - Magical resist to counter IGMS spam, along with death magic and more health than I can remember ).

Popped the Bebilith there when he got towards the end, it also had 'Very Fast' speed, coupled with haste.. I possessed it, proceeded to almost kill him, and he logged out during combat (which was bannable - As the consequences for death on that server were extreme. You'd drop -all- of your equipped gear on a corpse, along with your gold, and you'd lose a level, and the XP was extremely brutal to attain.)

Thus it fixed the problem, and I had alot've fun doing it.