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brooksthegreat
 
PostPosted: Sun, Mar 15 2009, 23:58 PM 

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I've always been under the impression elves/drow didnt grow facial hair..

..so.. why is there a bearded elven head in the game?

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PostPosted: Mon, Mar 16 2009, 0:02 AM 

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An oversight, most likely.

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PostPosted: Mon, Mar 16 2009, 0:03 AM 

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its the magic in a bottle.. *waves around vial* just paint the ointment on on where you want to grow that hair.. trim to shape.. Just grows in a matter of a day! no more worries of hair loss!

Come get your hair toxic! For them Ladies.. hair removal without a blade! just spread it on where you no longer want hair! baby smooth skin! Hair removal ointment!

(they really did make those potions in 2nd ed pnp)

those heads are mainly drow. forgotten the lore why males were able too grow little facial hair.


 
      
herkles
 
PostPosted: Mon, Mar 16 2009, 0:06 AM 

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as per one of Ed Greenwood's replies, technicly THO((The hooded One)) but she plays with ed in his own game so she relies messeges for him, I believe in 2004, found on candlekeep.


Ed Greenwood, via THO wrote:
Now, as for the rather delicate matter of elven body hair, kuje, you KNOW Ed isn’t the guy to go to for WotC rules battles. The PHBs rule, of course, with one note Ed added (as we laughed together on the phone, remembering the “Do dwarven females have beards?” furor that arose at least thrice, down the years), to whit:

If you always treat the comments in rulebooks as “racial norms” rather than absolutes, and as DM encourage your campaign to be roleplaying-heavy and rules-light (so that book-quoting rules-lawyers can be calmly replied with, “Oh? Really? That’s odd, because standing right in front of you is an individual you can clearly see to be the elf lord you were just introduced to, and yes, he has a pencil-thin moustache and razor-edged, line-of-chin beard. Are you going to tell him to drop the silly magical disguise, or ask him why he’s a freak, or just trust your eyes and accept that he has the hair and go on with life?”), you can ‘explain away’ variants from the ever-changing game rules as “individuals who are different, that’s all.”

As it happens, all of the Knights can attest that Merith Strongbow has both (scant, but dark in hue and definitely present) facial and body hair (though unlike human males, he doesn’t get facial stubble if he doesn’t shave every morning, and in fact never needs to shave) and Torm of the Knights can tell you that certain elf ladies of his acquaintance definitely have genital hair abundant enough to be trimmed into shapes. A subject I’d probably better say nothing more about. :}"

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PostPosted: Mon, Mar 16 2009, 0:11 AM 

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The only remaining question is "What shape?"

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PostPosted: Mon, Mar 16 2009, 0:22 AM 

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TormakSaber wrote:
The only remaining question is "What shape?"


Kitty-Shape?

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PostPosted: Mon, Mar 16 2009, 0:46 AM 

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It's the shape of an arrow.

Pointing up.

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PostPosted: Mon, Mar 16 2009, 2:40 AM 

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It's if people want their half elves to look more elven... and cheating by getting the elven bonuses...

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PostPosted: Mon, Mar 16 2009, 9:27 AM 

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None of the 3.0 rule books say anything about elven races unable to grow facial or body hair I believe. I believe that little tidbit of information is from the Tolkein universe. Which probably got muddeled back when DnD 1.0, where everything was basically a Tolkein copy.

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brooksthegreat
 
PostPosted: Mon, Mar 16 2009, 10:04 AM 

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Selvec Darkon wrote:
None of the 3.0 rule books say anything about elven races unable to grow facial or body hair I believe. I believe that little tidbit of information is from the Tolkein universe. Which probably got muddeled back when DnD 1.0, where everything was basically a Tolkein copy.


..I may actually be thinking of the 1st ed. handbook entry for elves.

I've got such a weird collection of mental reference.. I used to play 1st edition D&D.. and then I experimented with it a little in 2e... then I got away from it and I'm not sure I've ever read the complete 3e/3.5e rule set as most of my reading for it has been doing research for this server..

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PostPosted: Mon, Mar 16 2009, 10:15 AM 

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I can't imagine WoTC turning anything remotely popular down. Gotta give the Johnny Depp fanboys/girls angular elf-features and sexy moustaches.

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Kjetta wrote:
I can't imagine WoTC turning anything remotely popular down. Gotta give the Johnny Depp fanboys/girls angular elf-features and sexy moustaches.


Funny, my monster manual doesn't have an entry under Y...

Hang on, lemme check M.

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PostPosted: Mon, Mar 16 2009, 21:59 PM 

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This thread reminds me of Nyrat. I miss him.

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PostPosted: Tue, Mar 17 2009, 0:26 AM 

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Races of the Wild wrote:

Neither gender sports any facial hair, ...



I have -no- idea where Races of the Wild is in rules. I just pulled up the PDF somebody sent to me once upon a time to snatch that bit out. And that is in the paragraph of "Description" page 7. I can't copy/paste it and didn't feel like typing it all up.

Of Which: Counterpoint!

I remember one of the story nights that is PC ran [or was] and there was an elf there who used the face with facial hair. They had an honorably hillarious comedic story as to just why he was an elf who could grow facial hair. It involed satrys I think it was, something with finding rocks, and then being blessed magically with facial hair for a task unwittingly performed.

Elf? Facial Hair? Why not! Just be ready to explain it I guess.

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herkles
 
PostPosted: Tue, Mar 17 2009, 0:30 AM 

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Ed Greenwood, via THO wrote:
Now, as for the rather delicate matter of elven body hair, kuje, you KNOW Ed isn’t the guy to go to for WotC rules battles. The PHBs rule, of course, with one note Ed added (as we laughed together on the phone, remembering the “Do dwarven females have beards?” furor that arose at least thrice, down the years), to whit:

If you always treat the comments in rulebooks as “racial norms” rather than absolutes, and as DM encourage your campaign to be roleplaying-heavy and rules-light (so that book-quoting rules-lawyers can be calmly replied with, “Oh? Really? That’s odd, because standing right in front of you is an individual you can clearly see to be the elf lord you were just introduced to, and yes, he has a pencil-thin moustache and razor-edged, line-of-chin beard. Are you going to tell him to drop the silly magical disguise, or ask him why he’s a freak, or just trust your eyes and accept that he has the hair and go on with life?”), you can ‘explain away’ variants from the ever-changing game rules as “individuals who are different, that’s all.”

As it happens, all of the Knights can attest that Merith Strongbow has both (scant, but dark in hue and definitely present) facial and body hair (though unlike human males, he doesn’t get facial stubble if he doesn’t shave every morning, and in fact never needs to shave) and Torm of the Knights can tell you that certain elf ladies of his acquaintance definitely have genital hair abundant enough to be trimmed into shapes. A subject I’d probably better say nothing more about. :}"

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brooksthegreat
 
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herkles wrote:
Ed Greenwood, via THO wrote:
Now, as for the rather delicate matter of elven body hair, kuje, you KNOW Ed isn’t the guy to go to for WotC rules battles. The PHBs rule, of course, with one note Ed added (as we laughed together on the phone, remembering the “Do dwarven females have beards?” furor that arose at least thrice, down the years), to whit:

If you always treat the comments in rulebooks as “racial norms” rather than absolutes, and as DM encourage your campaign to be roleplaying-heavy and rules-light (so that book-quoting rules-lawyers can be calmly replied with, “Oh? Really? That’s odd, because standing right in front of you is an individual you can clearly see to be the elf lord you were just introduced to, and yes, he has a pencil-thin moustache and razor-edged, line-of-chin beard. Are you going to tell him to drop the silly magical disguise, or ask him why he’s a freak, or just trust your eyes and accept that he has the hair and go on with life?”), you can ‘explain away’ variants from the ever-changing game rules as “individuals who are different, that’s all.”

As it happens, all of the Knights can attest that Merith Strongbow has both (scant, but dark in hue and definitely present) facial and body hair (though unlike human males, he doesn’t get facial stubble if he doesn’t shave every morning, and in fact never needs to shave) and Torm of the Knights can tell you that certain elf ladies of his acquaintance definitely have genital hair abundant enough to be trimmed into shapes. A subject I’d probably better say nothing more about. :}"


by this ruling, elves could have anything from goat's horns to tentacle-like prehensile vines growing from their back ala Doc Oc and the response is simply "Well. its either an illusion or they are a freak. Are YOU going to tell them it's wrong? *shrug*" without actually stating what should or shouldnt be.

Surely, pleasant mental images all around.. but...

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