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Azrael
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Location: Some planet known as Earth
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So righto, We all know if your an elf you have all the time in the world, same for undead, and perhaps dwarfs ect.ect.ect.
...but what if your human?
Aside from wizards who turn into undead lich's, what else is there roleplay-wise available to extend human lifetime?
..deal with a devil/demon?
..drinking potions made of pixie dust and elf remains?
..ascending into celestial graces through good/evil deeds (favor of god/gods)?
Basically I'm asking what is possible in Amia for the human (and other short-lifespan) people who are always clinging to life's small moments and dwelling on eventual death.
_________________ Lalelilolu wrote: *Po-tee-weet?* Night is just another day without light.
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Mahtan
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Posted: Wed, Feb 11 2009, 21:12 PM |
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Joined: 28 May 2006
Location: That place with the green grass and that blue sky.
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Age your PCs as you please. Puff has been here for like two RL years and he still hasnt gained one year 
Speed of your own plot is how we handle it. Theres not and never will be a time we will say "You die from old age! Make a new character"
Oh and for RP reason to explain it if that what you are looking for.
They can range from a wish spell for Immortality/extended life.
Certain RP aquired templates add onto the base life
Monks Timeless body I think (I think just make look youthful forever though)
Im sure theres some I'm forgetting.
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Silvarus
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Posted: Wed, Feb 11 2009, 21:21 PM |
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Joined: 23 Sep 2005
Location: Jyväskylä, Finland, Europe
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Wizards: Clones.
Generally: Evil rituals and murders to sustain them, undeath.
Any way you pick, there will be Kelemvorites and Inevitables coming after you. ;P
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Lily Havthorn, the Waukeenar
Silwe, the elf
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Azrael
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Posted: Wed, Feb 11 2009, 21:25 PM |
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Joined: 30 Aug 2008
Location: Some planet known as Earth
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Mahtan Tasadur wrote: Oh and for RP reason to explain it if that what you are looking for.
They can range from a wish spell for Immortality/extended life.
Certain RP aquired templates add onto the base life
Monks Timeless body I think (I think just make look youthful forever though)
Im sure theres some I'm forgetting.
Yep only asking the RP reasoning...so tell me about this wish spell for immortality/extended life  _________________ Lalelilolu wrote: *Po-tee-weet?* Night is just another day without light.
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Lally
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Posted: Wed, Feb 11 2009, 21:25 PM |
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Joined: 16 Jun 2007
Location: Leather chair, USA. Tell me about your mother.
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That's good to know. Especially since I've been treating my pc's kinda like Matt Groening treats The Simpsons...
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Halen_Van
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Posted: Wed, Feb 11 2009, 21:44 PM |
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Socialized Senior healthcare.
Ah will live Forevah!
http://comics.com/cow&boy/2008-08-18/_________________ "Freedom is the Right of all sentient beings."
-Optimus Prime.
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Silvarus
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Posted: Wed, Feb 11 2009, 21:50 PM |
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Joined: 23 Sep 2005
Location: Jyväskylä, Finland, Europe
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Solid State Society!
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Lily Havthorn, the Waukeenar
Silwe, the elf
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Xaviera
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Posted: Wed, Feb 11 2009, 22:26 PM |
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Joined: 07 Aug 2006
Location: Temple of Love
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Silvarus wrote: Wizards: Clones.
Generally: Evil rituals and murders to sustain them, undeath.
Yogurt, blackstrap molasses and colonic treatments. Or does that already fall under the category of 'evil rituals'? _________________  ~Sharess on AmiaWiki~Priestess, politician, prostitute "[They] were moving in on me like Sharessans on a new broad in the bath house" - Tracer BoltAmiaWiki mod (mostly inactive)
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A Majestic Dwarf
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Posted: Wed, Feb 11 2009, 22:32 PM |
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Joined: 09 Oct 2006
Location: Wales
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I believe the Elves have something which increases the lifespan of non human spouses and mounts by binding an elven soul to them or some such. Would have to ask someone else about that though
Also... in Races of the Wild there was a prestige which is like an "Elf Friend" which increases your lifespan somewhat, perhaps something like that could be negiotiated (Not a whole new prestige class obviously)
Wish and Miracle spells could do the trick also
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Player of:
- Whurak Thunderhammer
King of Barak Runedar and all round Vengeful Dwarf
- Alvian Tegleiwalla
Nerdy Painter Elf with a Silly hat
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Lesquille
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Posted: Wed, Feb 11 2009, 22:33 PM |
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Joined: 14 Feb 2005
Location: Melbourne
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My wizard travels through time, so if ever he dies of old age, I can just say it's his past self visiting the future.
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Evil-Wizard
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Posted: Wed, Feb 11 2009, 22:51 PM |
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2nd Edition AD&D had potions of youth (reduced age by 1d4 years) and longevity (reduced by 1d8, but cumulative chance of 1% to undo all previous potions' effects).
The 3rd Edition Campaign Setting refers to those means indirectly quite often; although they have - afaik - never been re-introduced mechanically, they're apparently there background-wise.
Hunting down the components of potions like that might be quite fun, e. g. an elven maiden's blood, tears from a being older than a thousand years, a dragon's bone and so on.
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The Book of Vile Darkness has an 8th level evil arcane spell called "Steal Life", which makes the caster younger by inflicting attribute drain on a living humanoid. You get back 1 week per 1 point of drain, so you get about a year from hospitalizing a commoner.
In the good ol' days (i. e. 2nd Edition), equivalent spells aged the victim instead. Might be cooler flavor-wise, as the damage to the victim cannot be undone by a simple Restoration spell.
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Another way is changing your type into something that doesn't age. This doesn't need to be an undead - outsider works pretty well, too, and is easier on the eyes. Polymorph any object can do this if you strangle your DM long enough for him to lapse into a near-coma and allow it.
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BlackDahlya
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Posted: Wed, Feb 11 2009, 23:03 PM |
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Joined: 17 Aug 2005
Location: Land of the Scorching Sun, Empowered by Global Warming
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I heard somewhere that drinking dragonblood would do the trick, but I have no knowledge if there is any real lore about it.
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Once Upon A Time Played
Adr'ael Ken'rahel, Auron Teken’ath, Aurora Mesodias, 'Daniel' Daoskinaxarijikkym, Eilin'ira, Helena Rios, Layla Faircurrent, May'Une Do'Ndar, Mellinda Tellus, Michael of Cliffside, Rizzen of Twilight, Valkirya d'Claddath
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BrainSplitter
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 0:00 AM |
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Joined: 06 Apr 2005
Location: Victoria, Australia
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DnD 3E (inc. Forgotten Realms) - There is no avoiding death by age, or delaying it, bar deityhood or undeath.
The Potions of Everlife can't be created anymore (of course, all of Greenwood's special NPCs that he loves and adores, invariably, have plenty to keep them going for an eternity)
Immortality isn't a valid Wish.
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Halen_Van
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 0:03 AM |
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*Gets a straw and goes to find virgin women's blood*
_________________ "Freedom is the Right of all sentient beings."
-Optimus Prime.
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Evil-Wizard
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 0:05 AM |
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WonWon wrote: DnD 3E (inc. Forgotten Realms) - There is no avoiding death by age, or delaying it, bar deityhood or undeath.
Is their a source for that? Steal Life should work pretty fine, I think. Polymorphing, the aforementioned prestige class and some other tricks of the trade should work, too - or is their an abstract rule in the campaign setting forbidding all magic to make you last longer?
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 0:23 AM |
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Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Location: On a Disk, carried by four elephants, which stand on a gigantic turtle.
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Stem Cells!
See! Drow really do eat babies!
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BrainSplitter
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 0:23 AM |
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Location: Victoria, Australia
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All of the sources for creating the potions are no longer a part of Forgotten Realms. IronAngel could probably pull out the source as to why that's the case. I haven't got my books with me anymore.
That said, it's Amia. Dying of old age, or aging (period) is player choice.
Btw, all classes that I've seen that say "Negate the effects of aging" or "reverse the effects f aging" oly prevent the -1/-2/-3 decrease to Physical stats. It's explicitly stated that the character still 'dies' when it becomes their time.
Raising spells also don't work against those who have died of old age.
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Evil-Wizard
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 0:26 AM |
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There's no official source for the potions afaik, but there is - to my knowledge - no rule forbidding their re-creation.
The other methods mentioned are valid, official things.
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The Cobbit
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 0:31 AM |
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Joined: 09 Aug 2005
Location: Satellite Of Love
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BlackDahlya wrote: I heard somewhere that drinking dragonblood would do the trick, but I have no knowledge if there is any real lore about it.
That just sounds like a cruel practical joke.
Human: "Say, Mr. Elf, just how do you live so long?"
Elf: "Oh, uh, we just drink, uhm......" *Looks around the room* "...dragonblood! Yeah, that's it!"
*Cut to an hour later, with the Human standing outside the dragon cave with a knife and a straw*
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Evil-Wizard
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 0:33 AM |
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If you drink certain bodily fluids from Drow, you can see in the dark! Honest to god!
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BrainSplitter
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 0:35 AM |
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Joined: 06 Apr 2005
Location: Victoria, Australia
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Do a search on the forums and you should be able to find details. It was elaborated on -ages- ago, though I'll be arsed if I can find the specific post.
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fjook
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 0:58 AM |
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Joined: 31 May 2005
Location: CANADA
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what about dieing before your time into a clone that is at a younger age then when you died?
_________________ 2006/2009 2nd craziest Character
Go here to learn more about Shada - http://fjook.piczo.com/?cr=3&rfm=y
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Cori
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 0:59 AM |
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Joined: 10 Aug 2005
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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Halen_Van wrote: *Gets a straw and goes to find virgin women's blood*
Hm. Another benefit from my BG's pc bought plc placer of "Virgin's Blood".
Cool. _________________ Role with the Punches...
Elan: A 10% chance is pretty unlikely, but everyone knows that a one-in-a-million chance is a sure thing!
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Galenson
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 1:40 AM |
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Joined: 26 May 2006
Location: Down Under, calculating your demise with blunt expressions.
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My main character Jack is now in his 50s but he doesn't look much older then 40. The reason for this is that he's been badly injured so many times that his (and other's induced spell) regenerative abilities combined with his augmetics have slown the physical aging properties down. This doesn't extend his life though so don't think that, he'll still die at 70-75 max.
As such he has very few large body scars (lots of mental ones though) and spends most of his spare time re-applying his elaborate tattoos to the regenerated areas.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 5:34 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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*doesn't read topic*
Speed of Plot.
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Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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Selmak
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 8:04 AM |
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When your characters get old, they don't stop having high-risk adventures, they just hire a stunt double.
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Athyonn Ursidae
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 8:06 AM |
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Joined: 19 Oct 2008
Location: UK
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Belladonna will live forever..... I hope *worried frown*
_________________ Siggy by Maryn
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HellScourge
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 10:14 AM |
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Location: GMT+1
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Halen_Van wrote: *Gets a straw and goes to find virgin women's blood* Are there any virgins at all in Amia? I somehow doubt it. WonWon wrote: DnD 3E (inc. Forgotten Realms) - There is no avoiding death by age, or delaying it, bar deityhood or undeath.
Now guess what one of my character aims for, hehe. All of them disbelief when she tells them that! _________________ "Most assume that all the followers of Lathander are great morning people. They're very wrong." "I think we are the only group where AD&D stands for Attention Deficit Disorder." TeroSNS wrote: Hello Everyone [...] I like tentacles [...]
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Athyonn Ursidae
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 13:07 PM |
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Location: UK
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HellScourge wrote: Halen_Van wrote: *Gets a straw and goes to find virgin women's blood* Are there any virgins at all in Amia? I somehow doubt it. Haha.... you are wrong becuase Bella is.... *thinks a moment* though how long that will last now I have made this post is anyones guess.
*runs off to hide Bella* _________________ Siggy by Maryn
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HellScourge
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 13:22 PM |
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Location: GMT+1
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Athyonn Ursidae wrote: Haha.... you are wrong becuase Bella is.... *thinks a moment* though how long that will last now I have made this post is anyones guess.
*runs off to hide Bella*
*chases* _________________ "Most assume that all the followers of Lathander are great morning people. They're very wrong." "I think we are the only group where AD&D stands for Attention Deficit Disorder." TeroSNS wrote: Hello Everyone [...] I like tentacles [...]
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Silvarus
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 18:17 PM |
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Joined: 23 Sep 2005
Location: Jyväskylä, Finland, Europe
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fjook wrote: what about dieing before your time into a clone that is at a younger age then when you died? I think this is what Elminster is supposed to be doing.
Still makes gods angry even if you do it without undeath or steal life type of evil stuff.
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Lily Havthorn, the Waukeenar
Silwe, the elf
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IronAngel
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 18:19 PM |
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Joined: 29 Sep 2005
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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I've never heard of it making gods angry. Actually, many many characters have extended their lifespan magically. The most famous paladin, Open Lord of Waterdeep, Piergeiron Paladinson, included.
_________________ On Joon, Kjetta wrote: The guy that probably has sexual fantasies about masturbation. I mean, Iron, you're a bookworm nerd that even in your wildest escapism fantasies flee to the internet to play the role of another bookworm nerd? Come on!
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Halen_Van
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 18:22 PM |
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It makes the inevitibles angry. And then you get robotic assassins after you from mechanus.
_________________ "Freedom is the Right of all sentient beings."
-Optimus Prime.
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IronAngel
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 18:31 PM |
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Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Good thing Mechanus isn't connected to Toril and Piergeiron doesn't have to worry about it.
Most powerful NPCs have extended their lives in some way. It's not featured in 3e Realms, like Ron said, but that doesn't overwrite past lore. And whatever retconning there was can be dismissed and bollocks, with good conscience. Retconning always is.
I figure epic mages would come up with various rituals to extend their lifespan. Halaster was preserved in Undermountain because of enchantments laid on the Undermountain itself. One of the greatest arcanists of all time, the Netherese Ioulaum, had created a spell called Ioulaum's Longevity. It's not known today (except to him and his apprentice), I guess, but it means that aging is not irreversible. _________________ On Joon, Kjetta wrote: The guy that probably has sexual fantasies about masturbation. I mean, Iron, you're a bookworm nerd that even in your wildest escapism fantasies flee to the internet to play the role of another bookworm nerd? Come on!
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Silvarus
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 18:40 PM |
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Joined: 23 Sep 2005
Location: Jyväskylä, Finland, Europe
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Inevitables will be coming after you AND it makes Kelemvor pissed.
Mages still do it of course, that is what mages do. They just need to try and survive the consequences since it is not supposed to be easy.
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Lily Havthorn, the Waukeenar
Silwe, the elf
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Terra_777
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 18:43 PM |
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Administrative Developer
Joined: 31 Jan 2007
Location: Sweden
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Fey don't age.
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Fear is not evil… It tells you what your weakness is. And once you know your weakness, you can become stronger as well as kinder. - Gildarts Clive, Fairy Tail, Hiro Mashima.
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Halen_Van
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 18:45 PM |
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IronAngel wrote: Good thing Mechanus isn't connected to Toril and Piergeiron doesn't have to worry about it. Most powerful NPCs have extended their lives in some way. It's not featured in 3e Realms, like Ron said, but that doesn't overwrite past lore. And whatever retconning there was can be dismissed and bollocks, with good conscience. Retconning always is. I figure epic mages would come up with various rituals to extend their lifespan. Halaster was preserved in Undermountain because of enchantments laid on the Undermountain itself. One of the greatest arcanists of all time, the Netherese Ioulaum, had created a spell called Ioulaum's Longevity. It's not known today (except to him and his apprentice), I guess, but it means that aging is not irreversible. Of course, we've had Inevitibles visit Amia before, so who knows? _________________ "Freedom is the Right of all sentient beings."
-Optimus Prime.
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IronAngel
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 18:47 PM |
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Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Kelemvor is a loser who just fawns over Mystra (who cherishes her lich servants, like Larloch) and fails to realize he doesn't really have a say in the matters of the dead unless they happen not to be claimed by another deity. So all he gets is leftovers. 
EDIT: True, Halen. I'm not discussing this from an Amian perspective, though. Sure, anything is possible on Amia. People can live forever simply by virtue of player desire. In canon Realms though, extending your lifespan seems to be quite acceptable and there are no Inevitables. _________________ On Joon, Kjetta wrote: The guy that probably has sexual fantasies about masturbation. I mean, Iron, you're a bookworm nerd that even in your wildest escapism fantasies flee to the internet to play the role of another bookworm nerd? Come on!
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 19:19 PM |
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Location: Somewhere
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There should be. Inevitables are awesome.
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Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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Talon
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 19:21 PM |
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Location: Texas, where else?
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Terra_777 wrote: Fey don't age. Actually they don't age if they don't want to. If they wish to age, they can begin to age in either direction they wish. _________________ 
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Terra_777
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 19:23 PM |
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Administrative Developer
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Location: Sweden
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Exactly, they don't die of old age.
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Fear is not evil… It tells you what your weakness is. And once you know your weakness, you can become stronger as well as kinder. - Gildarts Clive, Fairy Tail, Hiro Mashima.
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Halen_Van
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 19:40 PM |
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Zanthos would like to be an Inevitible.
_________________ "Freedom is the Right of all sentient beings."
-Optimus Prime.
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fjook
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 21:52 PM |
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Location: CANADA
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hmmm, probable why Shada Vanashed then, she was worried about inevitables, or Kelies coming to kill her for extending her life.
_________________ 2006/2009 2nd craziest Character
Go here to learn more about Shada - http://fjook.piczo.com/?cr=3&rfm=y
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Halen_Van
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Posted: Thu, Feb 12 2009, 21:55 PM |
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I know VectorTangent used to rp that Velis would use Vampric touch in order to draw in life-force and remain youthful. But then I think he decided his sorcery came from fae blood which could also be responsible for extended life-span.
_________________ "Freedom is the Right of all sentient beings."
-Optimus Prime.
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Galenson
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Posted: Fri, Feb 13 2009, 2:21 AM |
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Joined: 26 May 2006
Location: Down Under, calculating your demise with blunt expressions.
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Terra_777 wrote: Fey don't age. Whoever invented such a stupid concept known as Fey shall be crucified.
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Plays:
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Acrid
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Posted: Fri, Feb 13 2009, 2:57 AM |
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Location: Amia
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Galenson wrote: Terra_777 wrote: Fey don't age. Whoever invented such a stupid concept known as Fey shall be crucified. Yes, on a tooth pick. _________________ 
By Jaydn
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soundofastream
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Posted: Fri, Feb 13 2009, 3:29 AM |
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Elven High Magic had a spell of Temporal Stasis that would suspend you for however long I think.
Also, Time Mages can pull allsorts of fancy tricks on going back in time. Although, personally, I hate the whole idea but its there was a whole book dedicated to this kind of Mage.
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Illithira Frostmaiden (Snow Elf) Guardian of the Frostfell
Elithiel Issatheerin (Shadow Elf) She who Lurks
Isolia Oussea'lylth (Sun Elf) Apprentice Wizardess
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Yurell
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Posted: Fri, Feb 13 2009, 6:05 AM |
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Joined: 06 Jan 2008
Location: ANU, behind the coffee mug (+10 GMT)
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Imprisonment is good way to avoid death.
Otherwise wait until you age kill yourself and then have Reincarnation cast, and you'll become juvenile
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The Cobbit
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Posted: Fri, Feb 13 2009, 6:11 AM |
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Joined: 09 Aug 2005
Location: Satellite Of Love
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Die. Then you never have to worry about aging.
Oh, and I almost forgot my stock answer for time and age threads: Dagnabbit, Malcolm was born 32 years old, and he'll die 32 years old! But not any time soon, dadgummit! Now get off my lawn!
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Terra_777
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Posted: Fri, Feb 13 2009, 6:54 AM |
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Joined: 31 Jan 2007
Location: Sweden
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soundofastream wrote: Elven High Magic had a spell of Temporal Stasis that would suspend you for however long I think. Temporal Stasis wrote: Transmutation
Level: Sor/Wiz 8
Components: V, S, M
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Touch
Target: Creature touched
Duration: Permanent
Saving Throw: Fortitude negates
Spell Resistance: Yes
You must succeed on a melee touch attack. You place the subject into a state of suspended animation. For the creature, time ceases to flow and its condition becomes fixed. The creature does not grow older. Its body functions virtually cease, and no force or effect can harm it. This state persists until the magic is removed (such as by a successful dispel magic spell or a freedom spell).
Material Component
A powder composed of diamond, emerald, ruby, and sapphire dust with a total value of at least 5,000 gp.
Frozen in time sounds boring, but you're immortal alright.
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Fear is not evil… It tells you what your weakness is. And once you know your weakness, you can become stronger as well as kinder. - Gildarts Clive, Fairy Tail, Hiro Mashima.
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