Person B -SHOULD- ask them to move on because camping is against the rules and screenshot it if they don't.

I would say this. Appear OOCly or send a tell saying you're next in line and waiting, please and thank you.

Wrong. Screenshot it even if they do and send it in.

The balance maintained is vital and has been working long before you've called the judgement into question.

Tell them they're breaking the rules and ask them to leave. If they disagree, show them the rules. If they refuse, screenie.

That. DMs should be a last resort. I mean, you don't get into a domestic argument and ring the police as a first step, do you?

That. DMs should be a last resort. I mean, you don't get into a domestic argument and ring the police as a first step, do you?

And if you are the only player on amia B, is staying in the same spawn area still hogging an area? If noone is on to run into you, your not exactly stopping anothers chances at having the area.

Yes, it is. Run around in circles over and over for all I care but don't camp the spawn.

Camping bosses is not allowed because it's just lame and rude towards other players.

Just because there's no DM around to enforce a rule, doesn't stop it from *being* a rule.

The rules are not there to follow except when it's inconvenient or less fun.

And number two, who's going to enforce it? If he's alone on the server it stands to reason that it is impossible to enforce this rule.

Here's a dilemma:

Say you're going after boss loot, and there's a group in front of you, so you stay out of sight and tag along behind them. They kill the boss, you watch from a distance and wait for them to leave, but they don't. There's no DM on.

Is it against the rules or otherwise morally gray to stand by the boss when they spawn it the second time and grab any loot before they do?

Just to clarify, this isn't a question of stealing epic loot from players who fought hard to get there, it's stealing from a party that spawned a boss a second time, a boss that should rightfully be yours to kill. You're just letting them kill it for you.

What are the options in this situation? Thanks.

I kinda like the idea of stamping a character with a variable any time someone in their party kills a boss (in this case call it HaveKilledFGK) that vanishes after 30 minutes.

Every time the boss spawns in, it'll check for that variable and if it finds it on any of the players in the area, it'll get a buff of +40 to all stats, +20AB, perma-Haste, +50 Magic damage per hit and dragonsight.

The punishment it seems does not outway the reward in this case, and campers wont stop until it does.

Has anyone else noticed the DMs pick and choose where roleplay sensibilities apply regarding rules? The most obvious reason for having a no camping rule is that it makes no RP sense. Monsters don't respawn; they regroup, ressurect, come home from hunting trips, et cetera. Compare this to twinking rules and you'll see that despite the rules making no sense in terms of RP, the DMs say, "RP reasons are irrelevant". Both rules could come under the banner of 'balance' rules, yet each rule seems to have different criteria, as if chopping up the jigsaw so the pieces will fit into place.

The rules are the rules because they are the rules, and the DM's made them.

Exp is based off risk in DnD. The challenge rating vs your character level determines the risk and the reward.

Two problems with this, Tormak:

That number one, if he's the only one on the server he cannot harm anyone else's gameplay and has no need to roleplay (in fact, that would be a sign of madness). There's no reason to enforce this rule except perhaps for balance and if he's capable of reaching the boss once he's probably capable of doing it again, he'd just rather not. Ergo, he'd enjoy the game more if he didn't.

And number two, who's going to enforce it? If he's alone on the server it stands to reason that it is impossible to enforce this rule.

Your never alone on a server. And just because you -can- do something Clonejyn doesn't mean you should. Irrespective if i see suspect activity i either go "Notify DM" or take a bunch of screenies and send a tell saying "Stop doing this or i'l send these screenies to a DM".

Has anyone else noticed the DMs pick and choose where roleplay sensibilities apply regarding rules? The most obvious reason for having a no camping rule is that it makes no RP sense. Monsters don't respawn; they regroup, ressurect, come home from hunting trips, et cetera. Compare this to twinking rules and you'll see that despite the rules making no sense in terms of RP, the DMs say, "RP reasons are irrelevant". Both rules could come under the banner of 'balance' rules, yet each rule seems to have different criteria, as if chopping up the jigsaw so the pieces will fit into place.