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looks like Ron might have to clean the topic again soon, I only bumped it so we could get clear info on how Faction base guards count for metagaming.

lets say the temple of Skeletor throws a person in its jail and no DM is on how does that work or effect it.

1.person or people cant try and force a escape till a DM is on to play the guards unless the PCs say its ok be it braking in or braking out?

2.Guards are treated as asleep on the job so if you can brake out some how its the PCs problem to stop him?

because I notice alot of people taking others to thier jail or locking them up and knowing abit more might help with some OOC drama.

Roadwardens in Amia Forest. I've seen the amount of stuff that goes on right infront of them without much consideration to their value as NPC Guards. As a genuine question to settle this, how should Roadwardens (in general) be treated?

The Roadwardens remain uninvolved when it comes to fights.

seriously though.. the name roadwarden suggests nothing even close to a guard...

seriously though.. the name roadwarden suggests nothing even close to a guard... I'll make it easy for you... In RL a roadwarden is akin to a park ranger, or a guide... I'd say if you eff with the animals, theyd kick your arse. as far as man to man fights, prolly just laugh at you... DM correct me if I'm wrong

The piddly pissing contests between adventurers are usually not an immediate threat to the merchant caravans. I think that should obliquely answer your question.

I don't like gurads in general. I'll obey the rules, but it just seems that the places that are guarded by npcs are inpenetrable. I don't like that. Not being able to infltrate an opposing factions base is kinda lame just because there are guards at the door.

Why not make some of these guards fight back when attacked? Make them really powerful, and it wouldn't have to require a DM to get past some guards.

Everything is so much smoother and there is far less crying from either side when a DM oversees an infiltration. I'm all for keeping it like it is.

Too many things beyond combat NPC's can't keep track of on their own... for example, everything.

"OMG, you just powerbuilt your whole faction just so you could easily kill all my guards!!!"

DerkDerkistan wrote:

"OMG, you just powerbuilt your whole faction just so you could easily kill all my guards!!!"

What's wrong with that?

Author:	BrainSplitter [ Fri, Oct 31 2008, 12:59 PM ]
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Alright, guys, it's starting to really drain on my nerves. If you want to break a law, you have two choices; A - Wait until a PC Guard is in the area (As a sub for NPC Guards) B - Ask a DM. If you can meet neither parameter; go to an area that is designated for that sort of RP, such as Cordor: South. Minor, itty bitty little things can be ignored, of course, within common sense. But anything serious (Such as banned people walking around areas they are barred from without supervision; disguise or not) will result in the loss of either levels, XP, or equipment (epic loot inclusive). You've been warned. Grab a DM/PC Guard, or keep it to the designated areas (Such as Cordor: South)

Author:	BrainSplitter [ Sun, Aug 01 2010, 4:12 AM ]
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Cleaned and Bumped.

Author:	corypx [ Thu, Aug 05 2010, 18:54 PM ]
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Bump also might want to clarify in your post about faction base NPCs and escape.

Author:	Alkor [ Fri, Aug 06 2010, 12:05 PM ]
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Cordor:South, is sadly filled with guards to which people can utter "don't metagame the guards" and kill that sort of rp. The guard increase happened as a result of an old dm event that never was completed(It's been rl months), and the extra guards that are nearly everywhere in the South, have remained. So perhaps... 'under' Cordor South? (Hinting that I'd love for Cordor:South to return to it's original purpose, and the excess guards removed, if they're not going to be used in a plot anymore) Ty I'd also present an idea for a third choice, making it possible to attack the guards? (Not saying anything about power-level here, it'd be a gamble if the player can defeat them or not) I'd just think the above is preferable to immortal/invulnerable/engines of metagame claims that ruin all sorts of possible rp. Simple script? Player A attacks player B, Guard Faction sets to hostile towards (player A) first attacking character. (unless they have a pc-guard insignia item...) (The above idea obviously would not apply to 'start' areas, such as Cordor:East or similar no-pvp points.) ..unless they were really really uber... "It's over 9,000!"

Author:	Grymia [ Fri, Aug 06 2010, 14:32 PM ]
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Actually Alkor, the reason Cordor South was mentioned in the original post was that had been written before the guard recently poured into the area. Thus, at that time yes it was ICly an appropriate trouble zone. A mixture of things have prompted the situation to be as it is now though. And, I think honestly if you get a Dm they would likely be amenible to possessing the guards so you can have your shot at killing guards, if you have more of a reason then just 'Rawr me kill guardz' ..

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Author:	Glyph [ Fri, Aug 06 2010, 16:35 PM ]
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the problem with this is the whole take it outside thing, up to the kobolds is cordor, unless you wanna brawl in the festival grounds and I think thats pvp safe area aswell... but thats not the problem, the problem is people purposely try to bug you, and make you want to carve them up, and you can't because they are in a pvp safe zone. i've seen people emoting things that would probably get them arrested if a guard was there (unfortunatly meaning if a DM is online.) last time I ever step in the water in the square thats for sure XD. also the increased guard presence is probably ICly right considering where certain bats came from. (recently)

Author:	Valve [ Sat, Aug 07 2010, 16:25 PM ]
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It's true I'll admit to talking a lot of smack about the guards while they are around. I still think they wouldn't do much to me if I'm not committing a crime. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Author:	Kraniumbrud [ Sun, Aug 08 2010, 18:51 PM ]
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would be nice if people stopped wearing helmets in kohlingen since it is against the law

Author:	Glyph [ Sun, Aug 08 2010, 18:53 PM ]
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you only need to show the guard your face, helmets arn't fully illegal. also I never got an answer to "is killing a familiar in cordor illegal"

Author:	Colapops [ Sun, Aug 08 2010, 19:04 PM ]
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Familiars are not allowed in Cordor to begin with, so...

Author:	Glyph [ Sun, Aug 08 2010, 19:40 PM ]
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thats what I mean, but theres no specific law on the stones that says you won't get done for slaying someones pet bat thinking it was a vampire. (in dale it is specified)

Author:	TormakSaber [ Sun, Aug 08 2010, 19:42 PM ]
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IUf your justification for doing something is "But the rules don't say I CAN'T!" then you probably shouldn't do it.

Author:	corypx [ Sun, Aug 08 2010, 20:30 PM ]
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looks like Ron might have to clean the topic again soon, I only bumped it so we could get clear info on how Faction base guards count for metagaming. lets say the temple of Skeletor throws a person in its jail and no DM is on how does that work or effect it. 1.person or people cant try and force a escape till a DM is on to play the guards unless the PCs say its ok be it braking in or braking out? 2.Guards are treated as asleep on the job so if you can brake out some how its the PCs problem to stop him? because I notice alot of people taking others to thier jail or locking them up and knowing abit more might help with some OOC drama.

Author:	Glyph [ Sun, Aug 08 2010, 20:39 PM ]
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yes the goblin thing. and being a wizard its not unlikely a thing to say ICly, i'm pretty sure I said "vampires?!" before I said "its someones familiar but who..." but whatever this is going nowhere. I assume a flat no you can't kill the familiars which are also illegal themselves. barring perhaps ravens which has been asked in the lore thread. again did I name names, and again, i'm dissapointed in the forums. RPly I should have just ganked it and got banned from cordor possibly. and I think thats my questions answered. (ninja removal again, tis not specifics...)

Author:	BrainSplitter [ Sun, Aug 08 2010, 21:16 PM ]
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I'm getting tired of having to clean this thread. Re; Cordor: South. it was set to No PvP and filled with guards because it was long since demonstrated that it was a bad idea to have a PvP Area there. Made zero IC Sense (given how often people go caught down there, or tried murdering guards that were called to help, etc), and OOCly was being abused. That isn't likely to change. Re; Faction Areas. You capture someone, you provide them with RP. You capture someone and leave them there for NPCs, they probably aren't going to be interested in staying and twiddling their thumbs. Faction Guards are not Omnipotent or Amazing. Same rule that applies to city guards applies here. If you capture someone, you provide them with roleplay as in locking them away you're preventing them from finding their own.

Author:	Alkor [ Mon, Aug 09 2010, 20:22 PM ]
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I'm not going to bother explaining possible alternatives or seeking to find a solution to a problem in this thread, as it's seemingly overlooked at surface-value, will likely get deleted in the end anyway, and would take awhile including providing the motivation's explanation and counter-arguments whilst weeding through flames. Perhaps in a new thread or PM's. Needless to say it's -not- 'rawr me kill guardz' at all, and shouldn't be confused as a possible motivation. On current situation: corypx wrote: looks like Ron might have to clean the topic again soon, I only bumped it so we could get clear info on how Faction base guards count for metagaming. lets say the temple of Skeletor throws a person in its jail and no DM is on how does that work or effect it. 1.person or people cant try and force a escape till a DM is on to play the guards unless the PCs say its ok be it braking in or braking out? 2.Guards are treated as asleep on the job so if you can brake out some how its the PCs problem to stop him? because I notice alot of people taking others to thier jail or locking them up and knowing abit more might help with some OOC drama. I'm quite curious as well, and second the effort of the post.

Author:	LordAzack [ Mon, Aug 09 2010, 21:40 PM ]
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Pretty sure this is the deal... You take someone prisoner and toss em in jail, you provide RP for them. If you just leave em there with no one to RP with, then how can you expect them to stay? If I was taken prisoner, and just left to rot without anyone to interact with, I'd be out of there in a heartbeat. Its a matter of good form folks. Provide the entertainment that was provided to you, or dont put people in jail.

Author:	Goblin [ Wed, Aug 11 2010, 14:42 PM ]
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Roadwardens in Amia Forest. I've seen the amount of stuff that goes on right infront of them without much consideration to their value as NPC Guards. As a genuine question to settle this, how should Roadwardens (in general) be treated?

Author:	Mobile_Svensk [ Wed, Aug 11 2010, 14:50 PM ]
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Goblin wrote: Roadwardens in Amia Forest. I've seen the amount of stuff that goes on right infront of them without much consideration to their value as NPC Guards. As a genuine question to settle this, how should Roadwardens (in general) be treated? Yeah. What the fakk? Are they guards or not? They seem COMPLETELY oblivious that there's people Hellballing And Burning Ruins everywhere around them on a DAILY basis

Author:	Grymia [ Wed, Aug 11 2010, 15:31 PM ]
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Although I can't remember where I'm pretty sure this had a public answer.

Author:	BrainSplitter [ Wed, Aug 11 2010, 15:32 PM ]
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The Roadwardens remain uninvolved when it comes to fights.

Author:	Mobile_Svensk [ Wed, Aug 11 2010, 15:33 PM ]
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...What the heck is their purpose then?

Author:	Dramatic_Prince [ Wed, Aug 11 2010, 15:41 PM ]
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BrainSplitter wrote: Find out IC, maybe. The Lore Question Thread

Author:	TormakSaber [ Wed, Aug 11 2010, 19:59 PM ]
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IF you ask there, you will be told to use the search function, for it has been explained a dozen times on the forum, or told to find out IC.

Author:	Goblin [ Wed, Aug 11 2010, 20:30 PM ]
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Sorry. All the information I've read via Search seems to conflict with other information, between DMs to make things worse. Now I'm asking as a question, are they NPC guards or are they not? It's a simple question and the answer is not as readily available as your trolling bullcrap suggests. I have a querie relevant to the server rules regarding NPC guards. Answer it.

Author:	TormakSaber [ Wed, Aug 11 2010, 20:37 PM ]
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BrainSplitter wrote: The Roadwardens remain uninvolved when it comes to fights. You had your answer 4 posts up. Now drop your attitude.

Author:	LordAzack [ Thu, Aug 12 2010, 0:09 AM ]
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seriously though.. the name roadwarden suggests nothing even close to a guard... I'll make it easy for you... In RL a roadwarden is akin to a park ranger, or a guide... I'd say if you eff with the animals, theyd kick your arse. as far as man to man fights, prolly just laugh at you... DM correct me if I'm wrong

Author:	Goblin [ Thu, Aug 12 2010, 0:50 AM ]
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Quote: seriously though.. the name roadwarden suggests nothing even close to a guard... Warden literally means guardian. Roadwarden - Guardian of the road. It's not such a hard thing to come to the conclusion that - these guys must be the authority. I won't press it any further, the DMs say these guys are essentially just a resource dump. While it seems utterly retarded to you that anyone would see a Roadwarden as a guard, to me, it seems utterly retarded that a Roadwarden would be seen as anything 'but' a guard.

Author:	BrainSplitter [ Thu, Aug 12 2010, 3:11 AM ]
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No Specific Incidents on the forum. Again.

Author:	Valve [ Thu, Aug 12 2010, 13:52 PM ]
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LordAzack wrote: seriously though.. the name roadwarden suggests nothing even close to a guard... I'll make it easy for you... In RL a roadwarden is akin to a park ranger, or a guide... I'd say if you eff with the animals, theyd kick your arse. as far as man to man fights, prolly just laugh at you... DM correct me if I'm wrong Just because I work with park rangers everyday.. they defiantly do more than just protect animals, some are historians, translators, law enforcement, and EMTs.

Author:	Yossarin [ Thu, Aug 12 2010, 13:57 PM ]
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The piddly pissing contests between adventurers are usually not an immediate threat to the merchant caravans. I think that should obliquely answer your question.

Author:	Silvarus [ Thu, Aug 12 2010, 14:02 PM ]
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Yossarin wrote: The piddly pissing contests between adventurers are usually not an immediate threat to the merchant caravans. I think that should obliquely answer your question. This makes perfect sense.

Author:	Yurell [ Thu, Aug 12 2010, 14:05 PM ]
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That actually makes a huge amount of sense, and certainly helps put things into perspective.

Author:	Glyph [ Thu, Aug 12 2010, 16:45 PM ]
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asked peeves? i think, yesterday, if forest is pvp safe zone, he said no, therefore the roadwarden are not the guard. this does not mean willow will not bust you down if you start exploding things however. and RP is still required. this is getting far too long a discussion, everyone chill. also i'd like to ask if shadowscape has any laws, there are guard, can't see no laws.