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So only ECL-0 pc's can get a Familiar/Companion with -/15 DR?

Yes, but currently last buff of the familiars is also on 30 so nothing changes there.
Atm it boosts every 5 levels with 25 as "average" stopping point (since everybody and his grandmother multiclasses) and 30 reserved for those few mages and druids that go all the way in their class.

*balks at keeping off Amia and posing as a non-nerd in RL*...arcadian AVENGER??

<3 KJ.

Currently I am level 21 and for the past couple levels my bear has completely stopped using two of its feats, power attack and knock down. Before it would constantly use both of the feats is this just it glitching up or an ai bug, because it can very clearly tested it for a while against very weak, average , strong, and overpowering creatures and still could not get it to use those abilities. Anyone else having the same issue?

I think the AI knows when using those is futile and doesn't waste time trying it on overpowering creatures. I've read that being said before >.>

Sylfwe wrote:

I think the AI knows when using those is futile and doesn't waste time trying it on overpowering creatures. I've read that being said before >.>

In other words, the AI is metagaming the hell out of the spawns.

They know exactly how much AC and Discipline the enemy has and if it would be useful or not to hit with them or if they could hit at all with them.

So, yeah...

Or it could be broken.

Did you check if it still has the feats on its character sheet? I might have missed something in my import.

Still has them. Thats what I thought that the ai was just thinking they will be to hard to hit so I tested it with multiple level ranges and still can not get it to use it on old spawns that it did before.

They all work when i test offline. . .

Not sure then.
Tested in frost giants, brog orcs, fire giants, amia forest (gnomes and the such), quagmire (yuan-ti and the areas around it).

I honestly don't know man, I've had no complaints from anyone else, and all my testing the Bear has used the appropriate skill.

Other thing I wanted to bring up was the Air Elemental, have not tested it in depth, but any reason it has lower ac then a ice or fire paragon or even a level 9 spell summon?

Yes, for a very good reason.

Don't use the Para-Elementals to work off, they are broken, they have been for ages and I've just been strapped for time.

What exactly is a Sirrush? Any links to info about it?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Sirrush

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/sirrush.htm

*sniffles* i only wish they added a vegatable in the epic summoning scroll... * thinks a moment* y'know, likle, a myconid i belive they are called, or a treaent... or that purple floating giant mushroom.... mostly a treaent though....

May i just say that equipping the gitzerai with power-attack was a ...Odd choice. Since it then always rolls on 30-32AB. Not enough to hit a Barn!

Level 22 Druid with the Bear still having the same issue with it refusing to use power attack or knockdown. Anyway to have this fixed or possibly changed?

Very_Svensk wrote:

May i just say that equipping the gitzerai with power-attack was a ...Odd choice. Since it then always rolls on 30-32AB. Not enough to hit a Barn!

Theres a reason.

@Charles
Not at the Moment Charles, I'm busy, I'll have a look in the next few weeks, currently theres more important things to worry about.

Hey I have a question how many dc's would it cost to get that evocation summon changes to an ancient earth elemental as my char is a laduguer priest. Or is it even possible to do so?

Standard Reskin Cost of 10 DC's + RP.

Thanks I'll. Get one in 2012. :mrgreen:

I have a question about reskinning as well. If I wanted to reskin my summon to earth elemental would I take the elemental or the construct? Air elemental is dex based and construct is str. Earth elemental is definitely str based and would be closer to the construct mechanically. Because reskinning only changes what it looks like not what it actually is right?

You reskin to Elemental. The Elementals/Inevitable do similiar damage if you take into account you can't buff the Inevitables weapons and after i've fixed the misclick on its claw.

I may seem Pessimistic with this but why did all the planar summons lower in power? gate used to be white slaad for neutral now it's death which is a weaker form of white. good now summons a astral deva the lowest form of angel when it used to summon plantar? while evil now summons horned devil and Glabrezu both of which lower forms outsider compard to the old balor and pit fiend. guess i'm just asking why to sudden nerf?

I'm guessing because summoning things like Balors isn't peanuts.
While the mechanic made it so.

thesciencenerd wrote:

I may seem Pessimistic with this but why did all the planar summons lower in power? gate used to be white slaad for neutral now it's death which is a weaker form of white. good now summons a astral deva the lowest form of angel when it used to summon plantar? while evil now summons horned devil and Glabrezu both of which lower forms outsider compard to the old balor and pit fiend. guess i'm just asking why to sudden nerf?

It mostly appears to be a visual and aesthetic thing. I know for a fact for the slaadi summon that the stats are exactly the same as the white, just the appearance appears to be changed. I imagine this is likely due to balancing the lore perspective of it. Planetars for instance are supposed to be in direct command of a deity and lead whole armies of angels. When everyone can summon one, it kinda looses that lore "oomph" because they become relatively "common". This is the same thing that EDK is criticized for, it makes dragons seem a lot more common and less revered as they are in lore.

thesciencenerd wrote:

I may seem Pessimistic with this but why did all the planar summons lower in power? gate used to be white slaad for neutral now it's death which is a weaker form of white. good now summons a astral deva the lowest form of angel when it used to summon plantar? while evil now summons horned devil and Glabrezu both of which lower forms outsider compard to the old balor and pit fiend. guess i'm just asking why to sudden nerf?

The stats are exactly the same. The appearance is different. They are lower on purpose.

TormakSaber wrote:

The stats are exactly the same.

The good-aligned Gate summon's weapon changed but it still has feats for the old weapon. I assumed this was intentional, but given your comment I thought I'd mention it.

Lazy oversight on my part. I'm in the process having now partied with or tested everything that I changed in cleaning them up. Expect some nerfs.

Specifically

Arcadian Crusader
Marut Inevitable

Dunno if this was already mentioned, but the Dire Rat definitely screams like a demon golem every now and then.

awe I love my marut

That Arcadian Crusader was better than most players I've partied with

Good to see Mosh is righin fixing them both! Players posting in support of them is generally a sure sign it needs killing. <.<

might i suggest a phantom of some kind for illusion epic summon?

Shadow of the Void for wizards is perfectly acceptable as the epic Illusion summon.

oh...it wasnt on the list..my bad

Thats because its the Shades spell upgarde at level 25. Which is a level 6 spell that nets you an epic summon.

*cough cough* dire rat voice set *cough cough cough oh excuse me*

Yeah I noticed, frankly my priorities don't involve trolling through 30 skins of dire rat to find the broken voicesets since it was a bioware fudge up in the first place.

Just didn't want it to get missed. Although for now, having a dire rat screaming at your foes in abyssal is pretty amusing.

Man, I wouldn't want that changed ever. That's awesome.

MoshingChris wrote:

Shadow of the Void for wizards is perfectly acceptable as the epic Illusion summon.

Would it be possible to unlock the Shadow of the Void with Epic Illusion focus as an alternative to the level 25 only stance it has right now? My character has no chance of being level 25 in Wizard due to the ultimate goals of the character. If you want more information I can let you know in a PM exactly what I mean.

Thanks,
Grahat'mah

MoshingChris wrote:

No.

MoshingChris wrote:

Whilst these changes aren't in the module right at the moment, barring some final testing, they soon will be.

After 150+ hours of toolsetting, a month and a bit of work, and a whole truck load of irritation the Motivator Dawg Squad is proud to unveil the new and improved Animal Companions, Revitalised Planar Summons and the the cherry on the top of the cake, the Scroll of Alternative Summoning.

150+ hours?! Nice Job guys! (and gals if any) I'm sure there is -always- more ways to improve the game. But I think outside of being pointed out what was missed you should be commended on what you did! WOOOOOOOTAAAAAH!! Thanks for all your hard work.

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