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Out of curiosity, is it possible to make a decent spellsword build for a drow? I was thinking along the lines of a fighter/wiz/rogue, but I'm not sure if the end result will be anything worth lookin' at...
Any suggestions? Classes, levels, feats and the like? Or if I should just forget about that one.
Cheers.
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 8:38 AM |
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Uberuce wrote: The Maaaaaaaagnum of the Opera: I think I'd lose Weapon Focus: longsword before I lost anything else there. That puts your AB down to 42, which is hurk, but Called Shot isn't on any items and it's kinda handy to bail out the Dance-of-AoO-running mage.
James: They don't come back. Write down all the spells you have before starting to rebuild, then shop around the DM's until you find one who has Scrollbox, the DM avatar I made with has every single arcane scroll in its inventory.
Failing that, be nice and spawn a container in the AtR, and fill it up with the spells you're going to need before getting rebuilt.
Top tip: learn them as soon as you get to Wiz17. That means less fuss if you ever decide to rebuild in future. Certainly don't wait till Wiz30 to learn on a rebuild.
I have scrollbox, btw.
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Magnum Opera
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 8:40 AM |
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-Dark Faith- wrote: Out of curiosity, is it possible to make a decent spellsword build for a drow? I was thinking along the lines of a fighter/wiz/rogue, but I'm not sure if the end result will be anything worth lookin' at...
Any suggestions? Classes, levels, feats and the like? Or if I should just forget about that one.
Cheers.
Dunno about multiclassing wizards but...
Go cleric, and never look back.
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-Dark Faith-
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 8:46 AM |
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Roleplayin' a drow cleric isn't really my cup of tea
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Uberuce
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 8:59 AM |
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-Dark Faith- wrote: Out of curiosity, is it possible to make a decent spellsword*snip* No.
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Magnum Opera
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 9:05 AM |
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Edit: Ruce put it more to the point. 
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camthrax
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 9:12 AM |
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Uberuce wrote: -Dark Faith- wrote: Out of curiosity, is it possible to make a decent spellsword*snip* No. Play a Bard.
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QPR
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 9:24 AM |
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Is there any significant difference between a Ranger pet level 26 and level 28?
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Garret Smith - Archer and peddler of deity-statuettes
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Lascivar
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 9:40 AM |
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Uberuce wrote: -Dark Faith- wrote: Out of curiosity, is it possible to make a decent spellsword*snip* No. Yes, actually, I'm doing it with my current Cleric, but ofcourse it's divine magic and not arcane, if that's what you're looking for... Just need to know what spells to use offensively and that don't rely on DCs.
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Magnum Opera
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 9:43 AM |
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Lascivar wrote: Uberuce wrote: -Dark Faith- wrote: Out of curiosity, is it possible to make a decent spellsword*snip* No. Yes, actually, I'm doing it with my current Cleric, but ofcourse it's divine magic and not arcane, if that's what you're looking for... Just need to know what spells to use offensively and that don't rely on DCs. -Dark Faith- wrote: Roleplayin' a drow cleric isn't really my cup of tea
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Uberuce
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 9:43 AM |
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Not really.
It'll be two levels higher, so +1AB, +1saves. They also get their epic feats, which are always Epic Toughness(I think) so they'll get 30-40 more HP. If it's the panther, it'll get one more Sneak die, too.
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QPR
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 9:50 AM |
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Curios since Im pondering wether to take two rogue levels, or three rogue levels and a fighter level for an extra sneak and a feat, and if this is worth the loss of two companion levels. And yes, dexer, wont take EWF. Ratherw ant that extra Fav enemy at 26.
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Uberuce
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 9:51 AM |
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Lascivar wrote: Yes, actually, I'm doing it with my current Cleric, but ofcourse it's divine magic and not arcane, if that's what you're looking for... Just need to know what spells to use offensively and that don't rely on DCs. Yarp, you could make a Clerics or a Bard by writing the build with a crayon on the back of a napkin whilst inside a washing machine on the Heavy Soiling programme and it'd still come out as fit to run Brog Mountain alone, but neither of them are spellswords.
Well, not by my definition, anyway. Gotta be a Sorc or Wizzie, non?
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StandingBehindYou
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 11:18 AM |
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-Dark Faith- wrote: Out of curiosity, is it possible to make a decent spellsword build for a drow? I was thinking along the lines of a fighter/wiz/rogue, but I'm not sure if the end result will be anything worth lookin' at...
Any suggestions? Classes, levels, feats and the like? Or if I should just forget about that one.
Cheers.
Although other people will say there's no way to make a melee wizard that isn't pure suck, there is someone with a quite competent wizard/weapon-master with devcrit who posted his build in the (deleted) old version of this thread. Sure, there are more powerful characters, but his character was far from being a trainwreck. The build was for a human and was extremely tight on feats, but I believe with drow racial bonuses it might work as well.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 11:48 AM |
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Sounds like the 18 wizard/7 fighter/5 WM.
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Lascivar
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 11:50 AM |
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TormakSaber wrote: Sounds like the 18 wizard/7 fighter/5 WM.
I could only see that doable with 10 of the Wizard levels taken post-epic to get 1 BAB per each, and even then it'd still be a bit painful on the AB.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 12:09 PM |
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I never said it was something I'd build, just that it sounds like the spellsword.
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StandingBehindYou
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 12:09 PM |
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The other spellsword pattern I've seen is Sorcerer/RDD with devcrit. The aforementioned wizard was better at melee, though.
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Magnum Opera
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 12:11 PM |
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Lascivar wrote: TormakSaber wrote: Sounds like the 18 wizard/7 fighter/5 WM. I could only see that doable with 10 of the Wizard levels taken post-epic to get 1 BAB per each, and even then it'd still be a bit painful on the AB. You'll be pretty much at par with most rogues AB wise, and you'll have the buffs always at hand to boot.
You can also modify it to 17Wiz/8Ftr/5WM to hit the 16 BAB, but lvl9 spells come sooooo late.
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Lascivar
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 14:13 PM |
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Magnum Opera wrote: Lascivar wrote: TormakSaber wrote: Sounds like the 18 wizard/7 fighter/5 WM. I could only see that doable with 10 of the Wizard levels taken post-epic to get 1 BAB per each, and even then it'd still be a bit painful on the AB. You'll be pretty much at par with most rogues AB wise, and you'll have the buffs always at hand to boot. You can also modify it to 17Wiz/8Ftr/5WM to hit the 16 BAB, but lvl9 spells come sooooo late. Yeah I know the spells come late, but still it's the price to pay for an endgame build rather than easy levelling.
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Xalyth
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 14:15 PM |
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I've got a fighter 6/wm 7/wizard 17 and she is far from useless. Level 9 spells, and a well placed casting of true strike puts the hurt down. And flinging bigbies, hastes, and max weapon buffs helps.
Also fairly effective in PvE, you'd be surprised where a fully buffed hasted wm can go.
On the topic of drow spellblades, 15 levels of wizard is probably the max you can go and keep the build senseble. I have been pondering a drow rogue 13/wizard 15 with epic dodge. Feel free to give that a try, I had ac of 65, ab suffered at only 36 and some nice buffs/no save spells with duel wielding as well but needed to take the shield feat...
Give it a shot if you'd like.
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StandingBehindYou
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 14:24 PM |
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If you don't care about actually being any good at spellcasting, but want to technically be able to cast wizard spells, you could also go the pale master route. One devcritting drow I've seen has the class distribution "Fighter 11 / Wizard 5 / Pale Master 12."
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 16:26 PM |
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No. Just ignore StandingBehindYou. You could consider something new and tasty such as Wizard/BG/Fighter. Don't go Sorcerer though, sucks butt.
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BeautifulLie
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 18:23 PM |
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I have a friend who is pondering rebuilding she wants to be a Sorc/RDD which she is already but her current build isnt very effective. Now whereas she's more interested in the RP aspect i'd like to help her be able to hold her own again the fire giant king and maybe just maybe a few other end game content XD so ah suggestions? Also she didn't specify if she wanted to melee or cast one more than the other so ah suggestions are open.
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Uberuce
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 18:26 PM |
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You want to kill bosses?
Sorceror30/RDD0 will do just grand.
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BeautifulLie
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 19:26 PM |
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har har Uce but seriously halp?
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QPR
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 19:32 PM |
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Asking uberuce about RDD's is like asking the pope if he likes homosexual satanists. And as he said, sorceror 30 will kill most things.
On another note: If I want to make a character that uses a quarterstaff without him sucking amazingly, how would one do that? Fighter/WM/COT or something?
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Garret Smith - Archer and peddler of deity-statuettes
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BeautifulLie
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 19:55 PM |
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yes yes I know but Sorc 30 doesnt = RDD it just ='s sorc. She's a blue dragon disciple and im not looking to give her an OMG PWN build. Just one that she can hold her own with when we go hunting together and have fun with.
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Herr Delta Houdini
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 20:22 PM |
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BeautifulLie wrote: yes yes I know but Sorc 30 doesnt = RDD it just ='s sorc. She's a blue dragon disciple and im not looking to give her an OMG PWN build. Just one that she can hold her own with when we go hunting together and have fun with.
This may not help massively but, take 18 Sorc levels atleast before going RDD, makes the leveling part so much easier.
Pre-Epic:
Spell Penetration, Spell Focus, greater spell focus (I reccomend Enchantment or Evocation), Extend spell is a must IMO, Maximize helps alot, Scribe Scroll + craft wand + brew potion (Only if you want them).
If you don't want Scribe scroll, craft wand and Brew potion at all, swap one for Greater spell penetration (Though there's hardly any time where a creature requires Greater spell Pen to use offensive spells), another spell focus + greater spell focus maybe.
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Epic Spell Focus, Greater CHAII, and i think that leaves you with one last feat, not sure. You will be able to max out your CHA to 40, giving you (Ithink) a 40DC on spells that you have taken Epic Spell Focus in.
Spells:
1st: Magic missile, Shield, Mage Armour, True strike and Grease.
2nd: Invisibility, Bulls Strength, Endurance, Flame weapon and Either Cat's Grace or Ghostly Visage.
3rd: GMW, Haste, Keen and either Elemental protection or a preffered spell.
4th: Imp Invis, Stoneskin, Ice storm and Evards Black Tentacles or Elemental shield (Or other preffered spell).
5th: Cone of Cold, Mestil's Acid Sheath, Spell brand and Bigbies interposing hand. (I later would swap Interposing to ball lighting, for RP reasons, due to blue Dragon, i would do the same with a few other levels too, but obviously, only if you want)
6th: True seeing, Mass haste and IGMS (Or swap IGMS for preffered spell, the other two are must have's IMO).
7th: Shadow Shield, Protection from spells and Bigbies Grasping (Or preferred spell).
8th: Mindblank, GS and Greater Planar Binding (If you are LE, which Blue's typically are, you will have a Gelugon which can tank Decently, which i would later swap for Premonition).
9th: i would reccomend Bigbies Crushing, Mordenkainens Disjunction and Dominate Monster.
Hope this helps 
EDIT: added a few things.
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 21:13 PM |
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I was considering a throwing axe build. If you mythal throwing axes, can you still use the ammo bag on them so you can continue to get your mythalled axes or are you fucked because you only get 50 and then you need to remythal?
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 22:36 PM |
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As long as you keep one axe, you cna keep ammo bagging your mythalled toys.
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 22:38 PM |
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Selmak
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 22:53 PM |
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As far as the Sorceror goes, 30 ensures that you have three epic class bonus feats. You also have the maximum possible caster level for making dispel checks with Mordy's, or saving against having your own defensive spells dispelled.
You don't gain any base additional castings per day past 20, but if those bonus feats make it possible to add more to the Sorceror's natural Charisma, then you can gain bonus castings per day (any caster can do this). A natural CHA of 24 plus an equipment boost of 12 would mean two additional level 9 castings per day, for example.
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Herr Delta Houdini
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Posted: Tue, May 26 2009, 23:35 PM |
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I already made an RDD character like Beautifulie is asking about, Blue Dragon also, he will have 28 Nat CHA on Max, bringing it upto 40CHA with the +12 CHA from items.
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Posted: Wed, May 27 2009, 5:38 AM |
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2k8ste wrote: I already made an RDD character like Beautifulie is asking about, Blue Dragon also, he will have 28 Nat CHA on Max, bringing it upto 40CHA with the +12 CHA from items.
And dies a bad death versus any character with UMD.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Wed, May 27 2009, 6:42 AM |
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Umm, that's not really a flaw of the character. A lot of people die to UMD.
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Uberuce
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Posted: Wed, May 27 2009, 6:48 AM |
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Xalyth wrote: I've got a fighter 6/wm 7/wizard 17 and she is far from useless. Level 9 spells, and a well placed casting of true strike puts the hurt down. And flinging bigbies, hastes, and max weapon buffs helps.
Also fairly effective in PvE, you'd be surprised where a fully buffed hasted wm can go. Here's the problem: no I wouldn't, because a WM/Rogue with a stack of Haste and Improved Invis wands can go to the exact same places just as soon as he or she gets a Flawless or Surestrike weapon.
The only place you really gain AC in is PvBoss because of Bigby Interpose; the loss of Tumble and UMD means you're down 4AC, while Bigby is de facto +10, so the difference is +6. However, you're down 4AB from a Ftr20/WM7/Rogue3 build and 6AB from a Ftr12/WM16/Rogue2, so if they pop Expertise mode on, they have almost the same AC and AB.
In PvP, I can't argue with the handiness of a hasted Timestop/Forceful combination, but as a cautionary note, the only character that has ever failed to kill Va when Forcefulled was a spellsword with Devcrit. Not a WM, but he just didn't have the attacks/round or the AB to get past flatfoot AC and Epic Dodge enough times to land a crit then a 1 on Fort.
If he'd played like a mage he'd have whupped him, which of course just demonstrates that you'd be better off as a mage for PvP.
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Posted: Wed, May 27 2009, 10:39 AM |
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TormakSaber wrote: Umm, that's not really a flaw of the character. A lot of people die to UMD.
I'm not saying its the only flaw i'm saying its 1 of about 100 flaws in going less than 25 caster levels. Hell 21 C/L on a caster takes UMD dispelling out of the equasion.
- Durations
- Ability to overcome spell resistance
- Numerical level based spell die (Mestils, Premonition, Neg Burst etc)
- Ability to defend against dispelling
- Being a pseudo-bard
- Lack of epic bonus feats
Are other common problems atrributed to 9 RDD levels on a caster.
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Herr Delta Houdini
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Posted: Wed, May 27 2009, 14:34 PM |
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MoshingChris wrote: 2k8ste wrote: I already made an RDD character like Beautifulie is asking about, Blue Dragon also, he will have 28 Nat CHA on Max, bringing it upto 40CHA with the +12 CHA from items. And dies a bad death versus any character with UMD. That's not a problem for me, since i don't get into PvP much, but when i do, i don't care if i lose.
I had small Arena matches for fun when he was level eighteen, I beat a few people with only True seeing, haste and Crushing hand, except one i summoned my Panther so i wasn't waiting all day for Crushing to kill them.
the way I used that build was just so it was easier for me to level when I went to, and it's helped alot to now. It may not be able to solo the Fire Giant King and Queen, but with even just one person to distract them, you can throw a few Maximized Ice spells their way which will make it quick.
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Posted: Thu, May 28 2009, 0:28 AM |
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ticket wrote: Delarwyn wrote: Hi Folks, I am rebuilding my Shadowdancer spy, because I made her completely focused on the bow. But, it sucked all over.
She is planned to be a fighter 5/rogue 15/SD 10. But, I never even got the Shadow jump, only the lesser and I dont think I will ever use it. HiPs is the thing she as a spy uses more. 6 Fighter/ 13 Rogue/ 10 SD. Put all points into DEX. Pre-epic levels would be 4 Fighter/ 6 Rogue/ 8 Shadow dancer Feats to take are... Blind Fight Weapon Finesse Ambidexterity Two-Weapon Fighting Weapon Focus Shortsword Weapon Specializaion Shortsword Dodge Mobility Improved Two-Weapon Fighting Toughness(?) or Knock down(?) Epic: 21 Rogue - Epic Weapon Focus Short sword 22 Rogue - Crippling Strike 23 Rogue 24 Rogue - Great DEX 25 SD 26 SD 27 Rogue - Epic Dodge & Armor Skin(?) or Epic Hide(?) 28 Fighter 29 Fighter - Epic weapon specilization Short sword Just make sure you get the required dex and tumble for epic dodge at 27. You could also take 4 less SDs and 4 more rogue pre-epic to get crippling strike earlier. I'd add Spring Attack to this instead of Toughness or Knockdown. Saves your backside when someone lands that unexpected super-critical and you drop to 30 hp and need to run into HIPS. That attack of opportunity they get can really stuff you (it sucks, you think you're home free and they jab you in the back). And take Epic Hide! I wish I could have managed to get it on my sneaker. _________________ Jess Incognito:- Ah, but the phoenix may fly only when its feathers are grown...
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Posted: Thu, May 28 2009, 1:34 AM |
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A quick question, did implosion have the +2 bonus removed from it?
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Posted: Thu, May 28 2009, 2:09 AM |
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Yes. Thank god. (+3.)
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Magnum Opera
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Posted: Thu, May 28 2009, 2:19 AM |
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Joined: 28 Feb 2009
Location: Philippines
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The Incognitos wrote: I'd add Spring Attack to this instead of Toughness or Knockdown. Saves your backside when someone lands that unexpected super-critical and you drop to 30 hp and need to run into HIPS. That attack of opportunity they get can really stuff you (it sucks, you think you're home free and they jab you in the back). And take Epic Hide! I wish I could have managed to get it on my sneaker.
Won't it be redundant with the truckload of points you'll have on Tumble though, or am I missing something? I concur with Epic Hide.
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Posted: Thu, May 28 2009, 3:19 AM |
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Joined: 02 Jan 2009
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Magnum Opera wrote: The Incognitos wrote: I'd add Spring Attack to this instead of Toughness or Knockdown. Saves your backside when someone lands that unexpected super-critical and you drop to 30 hp and need to run into HIPS. That attack of opportunity they get can really stuff you (it sucks, you think you're home free and they jab you in the back). And take Epic Hide! I wish I could have managed to get it on my sneaker. Won't it be redundant with the truckload of points you'll have on Tumble though, or am I missing something? I concur with Epic Hide. Aye, any character that already has 14 tumble has no use for spring attack. Even a gold dwarf wearing a full plate with a tower shield but tumbled dump to 30 would have a good chance of avoiding AOO.
As for the epic hide vs armor skin... I'm not the most qualified to give advise here. Never played an SD before but from my point of view and the characters that I have, spot/listen is an all or nothing skill for me.
My non detectors wouldn't be able to detect your SD even if you just have 10 hide, while my detectors will see your SD even if you have a 100+ hide/skill.
Anyways, with epic dodge I suppose you should be fine in pvm even without armor skin.
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The Incognitos
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Posted: Thu, May 28 2009, 7:29 AM |
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Joined: 10 Dec 2007
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Hmm... I dunno. Better safe then dead I reckon, Spring Attack is a guarantee, Tumble is still a gamble. Mind you I am prejudiced here, I have had the absurd bad luck to be killed by those random attacks of opportunity a few times before.
BUILD QUESTION: Any recommendations for a DwD/Cleric? Again, the warhammer is a must though that can wait for the Martial Proficiency that comes with DwD level 1.
I was thinking Cleric 20/DwD 10 but to be honest I'm pretty crap at this build deal.
So far I've put one together with Imp. Knockdown, Extend Spell and all the weapon focus in warhammer I can carry. If I take Strength and War as domains I get a truck load of Extended Divine Power spells and this is what drew me towards 20 Cleric levels.
I also have Blind Fighting, Weapon Focus Warhammer and all that in there but when I put it together I got to Epic Levels and had nothing left to take but Great Strength 1 through 3 for a final strength of 18 and Great Dexterity 1 to get a final Dex of 14.
I know this is a messy rant but I really like the idea of a really really xenophobic, mean and nasty Dwarf Battle Cleric. In my build base Charisma ended up at 6(!)...
_________________ Jess Incognito:- Ah, but the phoenix may fly only when its feathers are grown...
Olaf Grudgebringer: Stroppy Cleric or Morradin
Krunk (Underdark): Stay back! He's a bit mad.
the_incognitos@live.com
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Uberuce
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Posted: Thu, May 28 2009, 8:51 AM |
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Joined: 11 Nov 2005
Location: Near the bar.
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I'd go Cleric18/DwD2 into Cleric25/DwD5. I would be tempted by DwD6, since that scrap of DR is okay, but really, the big draw of DwD is the battle sneak/flanking immunity at DwD5 and the DR at 14 and 18, which would make you a crappy Cleric. So don't do it.
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Halikarnaso
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Posted: Thu, May 28 2009, 9:47 AM |
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Joined: 21 Sep 2005
Location: GMT +2
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Hello, I was wondering about the usefulness of initiative, is it in any way important? Are there any situations a high initiative score would matter?
Thanks.
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Lascivar
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Posted: Thu, May 28 2009, 9:50 AM |
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Joined: 09 Feb 2006
Location: Queensland, Australia.
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Halikarnaso wrote: Hello, I was wondering about the usefulness of initiative, is it in any way important? Are there any situations a high initiative score would matter?
Thanks.
None that would -ever- warrant taking the feat.
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Current characters:
Nazeris Defir
Malicar Drakespire
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Magnum Opera
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Posted: Thu, May 28 2009, 9:51 AM |
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Joined: 28 Feb 2009
Location: Philippines
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Halikarnaso wrote: Hello, I was wondering about the usefulness of initiative, is it in any way important? Are there any situations a high initiative score would matter?
Thanks.
Pretty much determines who gets to attack first in a round. Useful to get that first KD in.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Thu, May 28 2009, 9:53 AM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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Any help with making a theme build? I dont want to make the best pvp build, frankly when it comes to that I enjoy leveling more then pvp.
Wanting a character that gets 10 attacks per round, I am hoping to make a monk/cleric/fighter. Or something similar.
I was thinking something like Monk 6, Cleric 18, Fighter 6.
Wish List is...
Dev crit
60 AC (after buffs)
Good AB (aftr buffs)
Hitting 30-50 damage constantly
Weapon Focus. Epic Weapon Focus, Weapon Spec and Epic Weapon Spec
Extend Spell
Maxed out Con, Tumble, Discipline, Heal
Goal is to use the cleric buffs to boost his ac and haste himself. And using pots to boost dex and wisdom of course for more AC. Using prayer, Aid, battletide, bless, divine power, and divine favor for AB boost. Using the spells i think tat arounf level 20 he can keep himself mostly buffed for about 20 minutes at a time, so able to exhaust spell supply then heal.
Anyone help out, message here or via pm or msn.
Thanks guys and girls
Edited: To include the skills
_________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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