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No need, just established convenience.

hendrack wrote:

No need, just established convenience.

Precisely. It's a bit like asking people to walk to the supermarket for 500 metres instead taking the car for the 500 metres. They'll go for the car, despite it being bad for the environment and not helping them to keep fit one bit, because it's an established convenience.

hendrack wrote:

No need, just established convenience.

I slash your established convenience and bring you in character relevance and the joy of being a REAL avdenturer!

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but if I remember right, the Salandrans are supposed to prefer healing by mundane means, over "wasting" spells for what could be done other ways.

Is that not correct?

'Cause if it *is* correct, then it makes a helluva lot MORE sense, for the Sally npc's to NOT offer insta-healing via spells, which would mean dealing with a dm possessed npc, which would likely result in getting your mundane healing or even insta-spell healing, which would mean there's not an issue.

After all, it'd be a bit odd to rp with a non-possessed npc, one-sidedly, that you need them to mundanely heal you over time. That sort of rp would generally be best done with a pc Salandran, who can then choose whether they want to mundanely heal you, or insta-spell-heal you.

'Course, if I'm incorrect in my recollections, then feel free to ignore my rambling.

Cori wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but if I remember right, the Salandrans are supposed to prefer healing by mundane means, over "wasting" spells for what could be done other ways.

Is that not correct?

It's not correct. Salandran players (mineself included) prefer mundane healing since we actually get RP from it instead of two clicks and you're done.

Nekhy wrote:

hendrack wrote:

No need, just established convenience.

Precisely. It's a bit like asking people to walk to the supermarket for 500 metres instead taking the car for the 500 metres. They'll go for the car, despite it being bad for the environment and not helping them to keep fit one bit, because it's an established convenience.

It would depend how many people your shopping for, and how much you need to buy Nekhy - you can't expect someone to walk back and forth ten times because it would simply be too heavy otherwise, just to not use their car.

Yossarin wrote:

Easy fix to the Salandran dogma-breaking heal factor: we won't add the pay-for-healz script to any Salandran NPC.

We'll let you PCs do it. It is your schtick, after all, why would we render you obsolete with your own NPCs?

I like this solution. Defeates the whole cause for debate. <3

Yurell wrote:

Cori wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but if I remember right, the Salandrans are supposed to prefer healing by mundane means, over "wasting" spells for what could be done other ways.

Is that not correct?

It's not correct. Salandran players (mineself included) prefer mundane healing since we actually get RP from it instead of two clicks and you're done.

Um, no, he's right.

Torzeng wrote:

Yossarin wrote:

Easy fix to the Salandran dogma-breaking heal factor: we won't add the pay-for-healz script to any Salandran NPC.

We'll let you PCs do it. It is your schtick, after all, why would we render you obsolete with your own NPCs?

I like this solution. Defeates the whole cause for debate. <3

I don't, because it lets you rest on your laurels and assume your self given correctness, when you're actually quite wrong.

TormakSaber wrote:

Yurell wrote:

Cori wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but if I remember right, the Salandrans are supposed to prefer healing by mundane means, over "wasting" spells for what could be done other ways.

Is that not correct?

It's not correct. Salandran players (mineself included) prefer mundane healing since we actually get RP from it instead of two clicks and you're done.

Um, no, he's right.

My apologies, I couldn't find any reference to it anywhere in the tenets and the NPC priests definitely use magic and not mundane.

It's right here.

Overview, 3rd paragraph, last line.

Cori wrote:

It's right here.

Overview, 3rd paragraph, last line.

Cheers.

Yurell wrote:

It would depend how many people your shopping for, and how much you need to buy Nekhy - you can't expect someone to walk back and forth ten times because it would simply be too heavy otherwise, just to not use their car.

Which is completely irrelevant here, sheesh. My point has absolutely nothing to do with shopping, but everything to do with people not bothering to put a little effort when a little effort might in fact be beneficial overall.

Nekhy wrote:

Yurell wrote:

It would depend how many people your shopping for, and how much you need to buy Nekhy - you can't expect someone to walk back and forth ten times because it would simply be too heavy otherwise, just to not use their car.

Which is completely irrelevant here, sheesh. My point has absolutely nothing to do with shopping, but everything to do with people not bothering to put a little effort when a little effort might in fact be beneficial overall.

Which makes it an odd analogy.

Not realy, i think its a perfect analogy, adding extra factors to it however that arnt added to the other side of things, (adding amounts to shopping but healing is still just a heal) makes it not work in your head is all.

Solution, dont add irrelevent items to an analogy

TormakSaber wrote:

Torzeng wrote:

Yossarin wrote:

Easy fix to the Salandran dogma-breaking heal factor: we won't add the pay-for-healz script to any Salandran NPC.

We'll let you PCs do it. It is your schtick, after all, why would we render you obsolete with your own NPCs?

I like this solution. Defeates the whole cause for debate. <3

I don't, because it lets you rest on your laurels and assume your self given correctness, when you're actually quite wrong.

Nay, it does not give me a sense that I "am right" or "am wrong". I see it as "this solution is a neutral cause to prevent verbal war because neither party is absolute". Well, as absolute in that DM's have final say and I'm chopped liver. But I can swing with that solution because I consider it avoiding the dilemma.

Please do not assume I'm sitting on a high-horse with a solution as posed by Yoss. I think it would be a temporary solution to be delt with the full picture of that individual sitation later.

Now then, to eat my own foot.

Much of what I've said prior was a hasty reaction. No point in denying that.

For what does happen, I'll react to accordingly. I drop my argument of treating it OOC.

However, the arguments I did make about why there shouldn't be a fee stand both by the diety faith that the DM's approved of and the location not having favoritism.

Make your final calls and I'll work from that.

Get it over with Reveal Salandra as Hathor, realise that coin makes the Mulan go round.

Everybody knows that Salandra is Loviatar in the weekend. The holier they look, the more perverted they are in private.

Just throwing it out there. Perhaps the fountains at the arena and the fighting pit outside Wiltun could stay?

Dev Disco wrote:

The holier they look, the more perverted they are in private.

^.^ Ain't it the truth! But more like the holier they look and/or act, in public, the more perverted they are in private.

Scimiter wrote:

Just throwing it out there. Perhaps the fountains at the arena and the fighting pit outside Wiltun could stay?

You beat the crap out of eachother you need to get healing icly. The fountans are very ooc if you ask me

Scimiter wrote:

Just throwing it out there. Perhaps the fountains at the arena and the fighting pit outside Wiltun could stay?

And the Bucket at Kampo's...for the Brawls that sometimes take place there.

Teufel Eldritch wrote:

Scimiter wrote:

Just throwing it out there. Perhaps the fountains at the arena and the fighting pit outside Wiltun could stay?

And the Bucket at Kampo's...for the Brawls that sometimes take place there.

Better job for a PC i belive.

Dev Disco wrote:

Everybody knows that Salandra is Loviatar in the weekend. The holier they look, the more perverted they are in private.

if it weren't for pain and suffering, salandra would be out of a job.

They got a cartel, but you're not allowed to mention it. The Salandran clerics couldn't take it.

Crowsterf wrote:

Better job for a PC i belive.

Setting up the Brawl can be a real pain in the butt. Having to deal with getting someone to be a healer just adds another complication.

Yay gold sinks and a more balanced economy! *huggles*

..and some more 'party' value on Clerics. *sage nod*

Well if you cant be arsed to icly get a PC cleric to an ic event to do a job that should be completly ic perhaps you can pay top dollar for an NPC cleric to do the same job, but at least it will be IC, the auto healing fountans and buckets realy arnt, or everyone would bottle the water from them and yippie free healing on the go.. pfft to that.

Crowsterf wrote:

[...] or everyone would bottle the water from them and yippie free healing on the go.. pfft to that.

I disagree with that argument - you could just say the magic only works within a few seconds of being removed from the fountain, and that 'problem' disappears entirely.

I don't like the idea of drinking from a fountain and being magically restored. I never liked it. I generally try to avoid using magical healing with my character unless I have no other options, but that is a personal and this case also a character preference, as Taelar believes that over reliance on healing magic weakens one own natural ability to heal and makes one more susceptible to illness.

Irrelevant to argue, the fountains are going away.

Yurell wrote:

Crowsterf wrote:

[...] or everyone would bottle the water from them and yippie free healing on the go.. pfft to that.

I disagree with that argument - you could just say the magic only works within a few seconds of being removed from the fountain, and that 'problem' disappears entirely.

Then ignor that bit and read the rest of what i said as it is, that was only an after thought anyway. but as Tormak said, it doesnt matter they are going.

Crowsterf wrote:

Yurell wrote:

Crowsterf wrote:

[...] or everyone would bottle the water from them and yippie free healing on the go.. pfft to that.

I disagree with that argument - you could just say the magic only works within a few seconds of being removed from the fountain, and that 'problem' disappears entirely.

Then ignor that bit and read the rest of what i said as it is, that was only an after thought anyway. but as Tormak said, it doesnt matter they are going.

That's the only bit of the post I disagree with, I agree with the rest. Hence my complaint of disagreeing with the argument rather than the point.

Fair enough

Think ill leave this open a bit longer for clerical sugestions, positions and the like. ohh i just had a great idea.. but im not going to tell you. Instead im going to put it to the team *pokes out toung*

Dev Disco wrote:

Everybody knows that Salandra is Loviatar in the weekend. The holier they look, the more perverted they are in private.

LOL

+1 Disco.

Regards,

Dev Disco wrote:

Everybody knows that Salandra is Loviatar in the weekend. The holier they look, the more perverted they are in private.

That mean Velsharoon is actualy...Kelvmor!?!?

(yea I can't spell they're names

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Dev Disco wrote:

Everybody knows that Salandra is Loviatar in the weekend. The holier they look, the more perverted they are in private.

Actually Talona, and Lovitar split the responicabilite and do it ever other weeked. One weekend Salandra is Talona, the next Loviatar. its just that simple.

If you need a PC to heal your brawls, I have an epic level cleric, and I'd love to do it.

Lawful good, though.

Like the idea.....more realistic.

But for Salandra it's not.

My solution is: Instead of scripted clerics, script a donation bowl that provides healing upon a donation, then give options for amounts to be donated along with what kind of healing for it.

Make the NPC clerics to weak to be able to provide "free healing" and if PCs are about...let them do it.

Remove all from the Arena too.....people can and DO get hurt playing sports and having fun beating each other up.....they SHOULD pay for it.

fjook wrote:

Dev Disco wrote:

Everybody knows that Salandra is Loviatar in the weekend. The holier they look, the more perverted they are in private.

Actually Talona, and Lovitar split the responicabilite and do it ever other weeked. One weekend Salandra is Talona, the next Loviatar. its just that simple.

And you shouldn't forget the time when Shar 'captured' Sharess and did... stuff with her *nod nod*

The gods got cravings and needs too.

I wonder how an union of Liviatar and sharess would look like... Granted, it would be perfect for one of my characters.

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