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For the assassination, only do it when there is a DM on that you can tell about it. Otherwise the mark will suddenly decide that the goblins they make doormats from warrant their casting every spell in the book. Very few people will act IC and pretend they don't have super psychic PvP detection.

As to the GS issue; I think the idea is that it saves you from insurmountable odds. Time stop was the 'buff fast' spell as I remember. Using GS for spying is utter crap, mainly as there is no way of telling if the ones you are spying on are hostile.

What if they expected you to be there and were giving misleading information? They would then want you alive and you, the spy, cannot be assured of that. You want to be unseen, use an illusion spell.

I think the spell is intended is a protection not a tool of attack. By that I mean that it should offer no protections unless the other person is both aware of your presence and hostile in intent.

soundofastream wrote:

Kind of where Underdarkers should be feared and KOS or flee on sight rule would make sense and vice versa. Basically, it should be fair game that monster races are attacked on sight and have the right to attack on sight in return. Of course, you'll need a much larger Underdark to enforce it because it would effectively keep the divide between above and below ground enforced through pvp and players of Underdark characters would need to stay below ground much of the time.

Surface Drow would have to play amongst being called traitor on one hand and spy on the other...

Lowbies would take a real risk to get to the surface lands and vice versa. Kind of just like it is in canon FR. That's kind of what I don't get the feeling of here, Underdarkers aren't feared on the surface and surfacers aren't feared in the UD.

But we're playing an RP-lite server server, not hardcore or action ... people tend to frown on these instant PvP ideas (I like them as far as RP goes, but don't think they'll suit this server).

soundofastream wrote:

Kind of where Underdarkers should be feared and KOS or flee on sight rule would make sense and vice versa. Basically, it should be fair game that monster races are attacked on sight and have the right to attack on sight in return. Of course, you'll need a much larger Underdark to enforce it because it would effectively keep the divide between above and below ground enforced through pvp and players of Underdark characters would need to stay below ground much of the time.

Surface Drow would have to play amongst being called traitor on one hand and spy on the other...

Lowbies would take a real risk to get to the surface lands and vice versa. Kind of just like it is in canon FR. That's kind of what I don't get the feeling of here, Underdarkers aren't feared on the surface and surfacers aren't feared in the UD.

I doubt the server would allow for it to be like that, sound, even though I do agree with you that the monster races should be feared and should be hated. "But of course you are only picking on them because of there skin tone! remember there are good ones too, let the deed not the race speak." I have heard so many variations of that when I have gone after monster races or things that my sun elf hates.

I would like to see the underdarkers more feared but most of that has to come from IC action to try and get people to stop thinking with modern notions. Look at Winya, before they used to have a drow resident, the players have changed it so that winya does not like drow as it used to do.

But the biggest problem with your idea is that people would whine about griefing. Imagine going afk and someone just kills your charachter. it is because of that sort of thing that this probaly wouldn't be happening in the near future.

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But we're playing an RP-lite server server, not hardcore or action ... people tend to frown on these instant PvP ideas (I like them as far as RP goes, but don't think they'll suit this server).

Ugh, you've hit my peeve! Congratu-fucking-lations.

The ONLY reason this server maintains an air of bullshit "RP-lite server" is because of people like you who call it one.

We are an RP server. Not "RP lite" or whatever shitty title you want to append to that, and I will fight to the death for the right to give you all a Serious Business Roleplaying Existence.

*seethe. Rage.*

TormakSaber wrote:

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But we're playing an RP-lite server server, not hardcore or action ... people tend to frown on these instant PvP ideas (I like them as far as RP goes, but don't think they'll suit this server).

Ugh, you've hit my peeve! Congratu-(censored)-lations.

The ONLY reason this server maintains an air of (censored) "RP-lite server" is because of people like you who call it one.

We are an RP server. Not "RP lite" or whatever (censored) title you want to append to that, and I will fight to the death for the right to give you all a Serious Business Roleplaying Existence.

*seethe. Rage.*

There, there. *pat pat*

The Incognitos wrote:

For the assassination, only do it when there is a DM on that you can tell about it.

Nopes. Only do it after the DM you contact agrees that the mark's done enough to warrant...um...a death warrant, and then it's open-ended. In theory you could wait a year, but that's a little twunty.

I think that's what the DM involvement is for: it's so twunty people can't assassinate you because you didn't lick their boots in apology after bumping into them in Cordor East. Which is an OOC hitbox issue anyway.

TormakSaber wrote:

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But we're playing an RP-lite server server, not hardcore or action ... people tend to frown on these instant PvP ideas (I like them as far as RP goes, but don't think they'll suit this server).

Ugh, you've hit my peeve! Congratu-(censored)-lations.

The ONLY reason this server maintains an air of (censored) "RP-lite server" is because of people like you who call it one.

We are an RP server. Not "RP lite" or whatever (censored) title you want to append to that, and I will fight to the death for the right to give you all a Serious Business Roleplaying Existence.

*seethe. Rage.*

My apologies, it would seem I didn't phrase myself correctly. The part before the ellipsis was supposed to be facetious/sarcastic - perhaps inverted commas should have been used.
It was meant to represent the excuse of a number of people who hate the thought of that kind of RP, which is why I don't think it will suit this server because too many people will whine.

I'm glad I inadvertently gave you the opportunity to exhaust your stockpile of expletives, though :P

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TormakSaber wrote:

Ugh, you've hit my peeve! Congratu-(censored)-lations.
*seethe. Rage.*

*throws lifesize catgirl plushies at Tormak as distraction while he gets the trank gun*

Nice one, Yurell. These darts aren't cheap, you know.

*PHTUNK!*

And that much phenobarb isn't exactly something you want to take in regularly, either.

*looks up from the sight*

Hrmm....he'll be out for a couple of hours at least.

*turns on Yurell with grumpy expression*

Now, I would be a silly person to even try to suggest that going by time spent I'm more of a roleplayer then powergamer, but even I don't buy that RP-lite bulechada. When I'm done with throwing bosses around, I've no interest in wasting my time with any of that carebear guff, and no-one on the staff has ever tried to make me. A minority of players have suggested in varying degrees of subtlety that I should, but I've at best ignored them, and at worst done the same again in precisely the same circumstances until they got the message that assuming RP-lite will not save you.

*Edited for overly specific reference*

That's the issue though. It's just a matter of casting GS and then buff, no?

GS would be fine, if you didn't have more time to cast it than it takes a dwarf to charge you, when he has to chat with you, threaten you and give you an IC way out, it's still very close to an "I Win Button". Sure, there are some counters, like that floating sword, but still. Necromancers should be so damned afraid to be found out, that only the most insane ones would dare to trot around inside Brog wearing pure black and that skull helmet!

/rant

I don't buy it either, which is why I meant for it to sound sarcastic. Apparently tone doesn't translate well into text. *Sighs*

And as for that, that's RP - I definitely took your advice on this thread to heart, especially since you were not contradicted by any DMs.

Edit: This was directed at Ruce, I was a tad too slow.

I keep forgetting what a foaming at the mouth lunatic I sound like when I'm a few posts into a PvP discussion.

Then again, I *do* want to stand atop a mountainous pile of corpses and bask in the wondrously cloying stench of fresh gore and voided bowels, magnificently warm and smothering womblike, laughing uproariously as the blood I've spilled stains the earth down to its very core and fills the sky with vultures, my glorious choir of dark angels.

Hey, if they're buffing in hostile RP they are the ones initiating PvP.

after, for some ungodly reason, reading this entire section of ranting, i really think the gaint final poetic post of "Iron" should definitely be posted somewhere with a list of "john handcocks" lol seriously, either that or make GS Hazards a sticky, might as well >.> begin the infinite argument

Not aimed at anyone specific but isn't 'RP-lite' a loose translation to 'poke-giggle pussy'? The I wanna be Dritz with a half drow, one quarter dragon, one eight devil, the rest sex golem, paladin of jesus, who gets along well with everything while being feared by everything else characters?

I agree with Tormak

And on the assassination, I meant wait until a DM is there to see and approve/disallow

What about removing the sit and buff ability from GS? Unless you have GSF Transmutation you can only cast one spell while in GS. If you cast two you are visible but not attackable, if you cast three then your 75% concealed?

Right now it's like HIPS but way better. Once a mage gets their good summons out there in an encounter then they can pelt the aggressor with deadly magic damage. If the summons dies, pelt out another summons and get back to it. Make spell planning way more important

Uberuce wrote:

Then again, I *do* want to stand atop a mountainous pile of corpses and bask in the wondrously cloying stench of fresh gore and voided bowels, magnificently warm and smothering womblike, laughing uproariously as the blood I've spilled stains the earth down to its very core and fills the sky with vultures, my glorious choir of dark angels.

So, you said you work with kids, right?

What about removing the sit and buff ability from GS? Unless you have GSF Transmutation you can only cast one spell while in GS. If you cast two you are visible but not attackable, if you cast three then your 75% concealed?

Reposting as I think it's a good idea

Only problem with that is that it completely fucks up Clerics.

The Incognitos wrote:

What about removing the sit and buff ability from GS? Unless you have GSF Transmutation you can only cast one spell while in GS. If you cast two you are visible but not attackable, if you cast three then your 75% concealed?

Reposting as I think it's a good idea

How about just ditching the explanation in rules and lore and switch it to "it works like it works and it's all magic"

GS hides you very well, but any means to drag you out of it or attack you while you are in it are free game as long as you stick to PvP rules (so no setting to neutral before you attack, in order to see the GS'd person. PvP should always be done hostile vs hostile.)

There's no need for a further nerf, the fact high end summons make you lose it was a good thing; But no need to lower it's use even below party-buffing/support.

Mr Mago wrote:

Only problem with that is that it completely (censored) up Clerics.

*waves the non UMD WM flag* I approve! Do it! Do it!

>.>

My opinion of GS - remove the current nerf and make any spell cast cause it to drop to imp invis.

And I speak as someone whose entire line of characters depend on GS.

belgianbonzai wrote:

So, you said you work with kids, right?

Who do you think wrote that paragraph for me?

Uberuce wrote:

Then again, I *do* want to stand atop a mountainous pile of corpses and bask in the wondrously cloying stench of fresh gore and voided bowels, magnificently warm and smothering womblike, laughing uproariously as the blood I've spilled stains the earth down to its very core and fills the sky with vultures, my glorious choir of dark angels.

The wall o' corpses in 300 must have been your favourite scene then.

I turned off that pacifist hippie BS after ten minutes.

Hey Tormak, mind if I join you on the seething rage of Amia being called an RP Lite server?

It's not. It's an RP server. It was meant to accomodate as many styles of play as possible in it's origin, but it was still, meant to be an RP server.

creative freedom does not equal rp lite im afraid... Paladin of Jesus does as said earlier. Amia is totally sexy rp sever imo. no actually as a FACT!!

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I turned off that pacifist hippie BS after ten minutes.

...then you missed the good part of the film, it doesn't start until about half hour in IMO

Yup, if you were after homoerotic violence, 300 is about as good as it gets

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*Checks what topic is about*

Did no one have any comments on my idea for GS? I may suggest it, f I feel people like it, but won't bother if there's too much resistance.

No, it's not worth it.

So that's a definite no to making that suggestion then

When are you people going to realize that just because I say no to something doesn't mean it won't happen?

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Correlation does not beget cause, but once you hit ~90% one starts following the pattern anyway.

But for the sake of argument, does anyone else have any thoughts on the idea?

Just for those who don't want to go back a page:

Yurell wrote:

My opinion of GS - remove the current nerf and make any spell cast cause it to drop to imp invis.

And I speak as someone whose entire line of characters depend on GS.

TormakSaber wrote:

When are you people going to realize that just because I say no to something doesn't mean it won't happen?

Admin Tag + DM who posts more = He's the boss.

I think that if the other DMs posted more regarding these matters (more than you do, or at least in the same amount you do), then people would learn that your word is not the law.

Or, in more DnD terms, either you have really high charisma or your Intimidate ranks are plenty and specialized in forum posting.

*coughs and goes to hide in a corner*

Grmbl... I'm not the boss, nor do I want to be the boss... I just DM.

TormakSaber wrote:

Grmbl... I'm not the boss, nor do I want to be the boss... I just DM.

You are perhaps the most outspoken, loudest and most likely DM to post in terms of your opinion - you just seem to be the voice of the DM team (even though we know you're not).

Yurell wrote:

TormakSaber wrote:

Grmbl... I'm not the boss, nor do I want to be the boss... I just DM.

You are perhaps the most outspoken, loudest and most likely DM to post in terms of your opinion - you just seem to be the voice of the DM team (even though we know you're not).

That too.

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Yurell wrote:

TormakSaber wrote:

Grmbl... I'm not the boss, nor do I want to be the boss... I just DM.

You are perhaps the most outspoken, loudest and most likely DM to post in terms of your opinion - you just seem to be the voice of the DM team (even though we know you're not).

..this just means more DM's need to post and not leave it all (Edit:) Or most of it anyway, to Tormak

Azrael wrote:

Yurell wrote:

TormakSaber wrote:

Grmbl... I'm not the boss, nor do I want to be the boss... I just DM.

You are perhaps the most outspoken, loudest and most likely DM to post in terms of your opinion - you just seem to be the voice of the DM team (even though we know you're not).

..this just means more DM's need to post and not leave it all to Tormak

That ... we don't want you to stop posting, you're very constructive

If there was a hunting party based and organized according to the roles/personalities of the DMs, Tormie for certain would be the paladin: fearless, daredevil, jumping ahead while his friends wait for the foes to be focused on that crazy guy who jumped and startled them, and only then they would charge.

In other words, he would be the Tank, with lots of Taunt and Intimidate points.

But, alas! I digress!

I agree with Yurell's suggestion.

*coughs*

I don't have an opinion. There's my opinion.

My comment is I have nothing to comment.

This is why Raise dead is bad, and has an 'Evil' descriptor.

Dwagin wrote:

This is why Raise dead is bad, and has an 'Evil' descriptor.

Ummm, I think you mean "Animate Dead"?

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Raise Dead
Conjuration (Healing)
Level: Clr 5
Components: V, S, M, DF
Casting Time: 1 minute
Range: Touch
Target: Dead creature touched
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: None; see text
Spell Resistance: Yes (harmless)

You restore life to a deceased creature. You can raise a creature that has been dead for no longer than one day per caster level. In addition, the subject’s soul must be free and willing to return. If the subject’s soul is not willing to return, the spell does not work; therefore, a subject that wants to return receives no saving throw.

Coming back from the dead is an ordeal. The subject of the spell loses one level (or 1 Hit Die) when it is raised, just as if it had lost a level or a Hit Die to an energy-draining creature. If the subject is 1st level, it loses 2 points of Constitution instead (if this would reduce its Con to 0 or less, it can’t be raised). This level/HD loss or Constitution loss cannot be repaired by any means. A character who died with spells prepared has a 50% chance of losing any given spell upon being raised, in addition to losing spells for losing a level. A spellcasting creature that doesn’t prepare spells (such as a sorcerer) has a 50% chance of losing any given unused spell slot as if it had been used to cast a spell, in addition to losing spell slots for losing a level.

A raised creature has a number of hit points equal to its current Hit Dice. Any ability scores damaged to 0 are raised to 1. Normal poison and normal disease are cured in the process of raising the subject, but magical diseases and curses are not undone. While the spell closes mortal wounds and repairs lethal damage of most kinds, the body of the creature to be raised must be whole. Otherwise, missing parts are still missing when the creature is brought back to life. None of the dead creature’s equipment or possessions are affected in any way by this spell.

A creature who has been turned into an undead creature or killed by a death effect can’t be raised by this spell. Constructs, elementals, outsiders, and undead creatures can’t be raised. The spell cannot bring back a creature that has died of old age.
Material Component

Diamonds worth a total of least 5,000 gp.

I'm sure she does, but I believe it was merely a play on words as to why someone shouldn't bump a topic this old.

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