Druid Elemental Shapeshifting: Elder Shapes
Im unsure if these are actually issues, so i'm posting it here instead of bugs section. I tried to do general questions but there's not enough targeted focus there to get something like this read I think. I was not buffed. I want to know if these are correct or not.

Fire Elemental
1.) DC 32 Con Drain appears to be working, but doesn't appear to roll on every hit. Is it one of those per flurry things?
2) AC that is being reporting on the character sheet is terribly wrong. I was hit with a roll of 25, while showing 38 AC in the elder form. I have more than that in the character non-shifted form.
3) Combust DC is 20
4) Fireball DC is 21

Water Elemental
1) Acid Fog can damage you and your summons
2) The in-game description of Drown says that it can kill opponents if they fail their save, the spreadsheet says takes 25% damage max (to cap of 150)
3) Fort Save is 30 for Acid Fog

Earth Elemental
1) Stonehold DC is 20
2) Grease DC is 25
3) On hit stun is 32

Air Elemental
1) Call Lightning DC is 18
2) Whirlwind is 33

Questions:
Do the DCs increase as you level up?
Do they increase based on wisdom?
Is the 'creature' weapon fists, so taking a monk level would give them uBAB, or certain monk items make them get better punchy fists?
Why do the pre-elder appearances all use the old version (except water which uses new version) and then elder elementals use the new appearances (except water)? The old elementals are pretty much ugly as hell.

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The Peacock wrote:

[GreatPigeon] is better than me.

The on hits should be static and should not fluctuate. The casted abilities from the elemental shapes should be on the shifter dc calculation, meaning a higher dc for pure druids, but Sune should know if that's intended behavior or not. It might be lower since you can spam them indefinately, at least that's the reason shifter spells usually are at a lower dc.

What is the shifter dc calculation? What hurts druid elemental form is you only get the bonuses on your armor. So you lose out on maxing your 12 in wisdom so you can lose 5 or 6 dc easy.

If its 10+ 1/2 (shifter + druid) + wis modifier = it would be 10 + 1/2 (0+ 26) + 8 (only 26 wisdom in shape) =31 which works. If its not including the druid shapes it would only be 18.

Not sure what calculation anything is using.

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The Peacock wrote:

[GreatPigeon] is better than me.

Shifter formula is 10+1/2 shifter level+wis mod. Owl's insight solves the problem of losing your wisdom bonuses from armor, as long as you have 24 druid levels.

Ahh. I think I see what it might be doing. It's treating it as if you were casting the spell from an item. No spell focuses, and only your wisdom bonus. Fireball is fine if you've got 26 wisdom (10+level 3 spell+8 wisdom bonus), so is combust. The other spells arent following that and are either higher or lower than they should if they're all following the same formula. I wonder if it's just the creature spell versions transfered over to the forms.

I can check if the shifter elemental forms are doing the same with a 20 shifter when I get home in a few hours

With 20 shifter levels, 5 druid levels and 8 wisdom mod:

Fire elemental
fireball dc-21
combust dc-20

Water elemental
Acid fog-24

Earth Elemental
Stonehold dc-28
Grease dc-19

Air elemental
Call lightning dc-28

By the shifter calc, the dc should be 28 for all abilities. So you're right, something screwy is going on with the elemetal dc's. I also checked every shifter form that has an offensive spell. All were the same dc, except manticore form which had a dc of 21 on quillfire. I dont know what's dropping the dc's.