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| Author: | Comatose [ Sun, Jul 03 2016, 5:17 AM ] |
| Post subject: | BUILD: Arcane Archer/Cleric/Bard ~ ADVICE/INPUT |
Elf Neutral Good Arcane Archer 18 Cleric 8 Bard 4 Starting Stats: Str 14 Dex 18 Con 8 Wis 8 Int 14 Cha 14 Pre Epic Classes: Arcane Archer 10 Cleric 8 Bard 2 Pre Epic Feats: Blind Fight Power Attack Divine Might Point Blank Shot Rapid Shot Weapon Focus: Longbow Improved Critical: Longbow Epic Classes: Arcane Archer 8 Bard 2 Epic Feats: Armor Skin Great Dexterity III Arcane Archer Bonus Feats: Epic Prowess Epic Weapon Focus: Longbow -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello fellow Amians. I'm seeking advice on a build I am wanting to try out. I'm unsure if dropping rapid shot for weapon finesse would be a wise trade off or not. I am also wondering if armor skin and great dexterity III is worth investing in as well... It seems kind of pointless to grab armor skin if I don't have weapon finesse, so I could always replace it with great fortitude or something along those lines... I know it all comes down to preference and what kind of role the character is to play, but if any of you have some insight on the matter it would be greatly appreciated. |
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| Author: | Commie [ Sun, Jul 03 2016, 6:03 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUILD: Arcane Archer/Cleric/Bard ~ ADVICE/INPUT |
im not gonna dive into this too hard but there's no real reason to take 4 bard at all. just do one pre-epic (at level 1 so you get the most skill points) and one at 30 so you can max disc/tumble/umd. so pre-epic i'd do 1 bard 9 cleric 10 aa, and epic is 9 aa 1 bard. 8 con is no. 8 wis is no. remedy these asap. you want wis and you want con a lot more then you need basically any other stat. consider going a race that gets you +2 dex, and starting with 16 base dex (adjusted to 18 after race) so you get more stat points for cha and shit. 19 aa is where you get the +10 arrows so please do 19 aa. |
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| Author: | TormakSaber [ Sun, Jul 03 2016, 6:04 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUILD: Arcane Archer/Cleric/Bard ~ ADVICE/INPUT |
8 wis on a cleric base, please don't do this. please do 10 cleric 2 bard 18 AA. Please. You're going to lose a little BAB but you're 18 AA so you're going to make up for it. Consider going Zen Archery if you want this route Also please consider actually doing fighter/bard/AA or doing something like 19 cleric/2 bard/9 AA if you want the cleric stuff. The character as is, is a mechanical wreck, and if what you want is a casting styled arcane archer, I believe the 19/2/9 is going to be more fun for you mechanically and not sacrifice anything RP wise. |
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| Author: | Mikaz [ Sun, Jul 03 2016, 6:26 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUILD: Arcane Archer/Cleric/Bard ~ ADVICE/INPUT |
Sounds like you're taking Cleric for Divine Might here, you should consider Paladin(Which sadly can not be taken with Bard, since it's locked in Lawful Good) or Blackguard(Locked in Evil, so you'd have to be Neutral/Chaotic Evil) to replace Cleric if that's the only thing you want of it. As an example, 11 Bard/9 AA/10 BG nets you: - The traditional High AB and 4 Natural attacks(Add Haste and Rapid shot to go for 6 here). - Decent Bard Song: 2 AB, 3 DMG, 1 to Saves, 2 to Skills and 2 AC. - 4th level Bard spells, such as: Improved Invisibility, Extended Haste and War Cry. - If you get 18 Charisma and buff that with 12, you'd get the full benefit of 10 BG for +10 Dmg/Saves. - +5 Enchantment to arrows from 9 AA, passing almost every possible DR in Amia. Bard levels also net you some other useful spells like Darkness/Ultravision and BG nets you few spells, like stacking Bulls Strenght. This is all just me assuming you wanted Divine Might dmg squeezed out of the build. I think you should spell out the character concept out to us and then let people help you decide between: Simple Fighter AA that was mentioned(No need to worry about spells or Bard Song, just pew pew all day long), the midway that's something like I mentioned here, or something like the 19 Cleric/2 Bard/9 AA that was mentioned(17 Wizard/4 Fighter/9 AA is fine too). |
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| Author: | Comatose [ Sun, Jul 03 2016, 6:53 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUILD: Arcane Archer/Cleric/Bard ~ ADVICE/INPUT |
I just realized I'm a stupid piece of worthless shit thanks for the replies guys now I can throw my idea in the garbage cause its no good cause everything else is better |
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| Author: | Commie [ Sun, Jul 03 2016, 6:53 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUILD: Arcane Archer/Cleric/Bard ~ ADVICE/INPUT |
TormakSaber wrote: 8 wis on a cleric base, please don't do this. please do 10 cleric 2 bard 18 AA. Please. You're going to lose a little BAB but you're 18 AA so you're going to make up for it. Consider going Zen Archery if you want this route Also please consider actually doing fighter/bard/AA or doing something like 19 cleric/2 bard/9 AA if you want the cleric stuff. The character as is, is a mechanical wreck, and if what you want is a casting styled arcane archer, I believe the 19/2/9 is going to be more fun for you mechanically and not sacrifice anything RP wise. keep in mind zen archery doesn't function for a lot of your aa shit, it just rolls dex anyway. |
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| Author: | Commie [ Sun, Jul 03 2016, 6:54 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUILD: Arcane Archer/Cleric/Bard ~ ADVICE/INPUT |
Comatose wrote: I just realized I'm a stupid piece of worthless shit thanks for the replies guys now I can throw my idea in the garbage cause its no good cause everything else is better this build is just fine it just needs super minor tweaking. |
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| Author: | TormakSaber [ Sun, Jul 03 2016, 6:54 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUILD: Arcane Archer/Cleric/Bard ~ ADVICE/INPUT |
Comatose wrote: I just realized I'm a stupid piece of worthless shit thanks for the replies guys now I can throw my idea in the garbage cause its no good cause everything else is better You asked for advice and input and got it. |
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| Author: | Comatose [ Sun, Jul 03 2016, 6:56 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUILD: Arcane Archer/Cleric/Bard ~ ADVICE/INPUT |
thank you very much for not even trying to answer my questions |
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| Author: | Commie [ Sun, Jul 03 2016, 7:00 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUILD: Arcane Archer/Cleric/Bard ~ ADVICE/INPUT |
Comatose wrote: thank you very much for not even trying to answer my questions ok Comatose wrote: Hello fellow Amians. I'm seeking advice on a build I am wanting to try out. I'm unsure if dropping rapid shot for weapon finesse would be a wise trade off or not. no, you don't need finesse or power attack for an arcane archer build. Comatose wrote: I am also wondering if armor skin and great dexterity III is worth investing in as well... you need armor skin. you don't need that many great dex's. your to hit will be monstrous with that much aa. go with epic weapon focus, prowess, and armor skin. Comatose wrote: It seems kind of pointless to grab armor skin if I don't have weapon finesse, so I could always replace it with great fortitude or something along those lines... armor skin is one of those feats that's essentially required. i'd gladly trade a great dex for a great fort tho. Comatose wrote: I know it all comes down to preference and what kind of role the character is to play, but if any of you have some insight on the matter it would be greatly appreciated. asked and answered. but change your stats and class spread first. what you have isn't even a functional character. at 8 wis you literally can't even use your cleric shit. |
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| Author: | lilmarcat [ Sun, Jul 03 2016, 14:12 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUILD: Arcane Archer/Cleric/Bard ~ ADVICE/INPUT |
Pretty sure you need to take a minimum of 11 in your caster stat when starting a character as well. (11 WIS on a Cleric, 11 CHA on a Bard etc) |
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| Author: | bobofwestoregonusa [ Sun, Jul 03 2016, 17:16 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUILD: Arcane Archer/Cleric/Bard ~ ADVICE/INPUT |
Personally if I were you I'd go in the opposite direction and take a lot of cleric with 9 aa levels AA levels. You still get tons of ab but with all the clerics amazing buffs |
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| Author: | #StraightOutaAvernus [ Wed, Jul 06 2016, 20:55 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BUILD: Arcane Archer/Cleric/Bard ~ ADVICE/INPUT |
Mmm. I'll bite. Yeah, it definitely looks like he's only doing the cleric for the sake of divine might. I won't advise you to increase wisdom like everyone else; cleric AA for casting is trash regardless of class spread, but the problem is that CHA archers aren't as stellar on Amia as elsewhere -- given the fact that archers here are actually decent to begin with and don't 'NEED' CHA based damage to be good. If you 'WANT' to make it work, you can; but two things: 1. I definitely have to echo increasing your CON. 2. No divine shield and you have room for both armorskin and 3 Great DEX feats? Check that over -- it's 'way' more worth your while if you're going CHA archer. You'll want something more like… The build is almost identical from every other standpoint, but the outcome is significantly better. You loose: >2 Standstill AC >1 Base BAB and 2 DEX AB >33 Skillpoints (You should only need Tumble to 30, UMD to 15, Disc to 33, and Spellcraft to 4 on this build anyway) You gain: >8 Divine Shield AC >1 AA Enhancement >+10 Discipline >90 HP I still wouldn't play it, though. Mostly because I hate archers. |
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