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| Author: | Vortex [ Sun, May 15 2016, 18:51 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Caster dilemma: Dispel immunity vs. UMD |
Getting close to decision point on whether to take 1 lvl of Rogue for UMD and Spot skill on my caster, at the expense of greater dispel immunity. I have tumble covered, that's not a factor. Essentially it breaks down to the following Ads and Disads for this build: 23 Mage 1 Rogue: + UMD, + 32 Spot, - 5% Greater Dispel 24 Mage: - No UMD, - No Spot, + Greater Dispel immunity Mage is currently 22nd level. Going thru fire giants' lair she gets dispelled about every 3rd or 4th spawn. And that's with 10% chance of dispelling. Make me think that 23 levels and 5% chance dispel would be a bigger drag than I first thought. How necessary is UMD? Will the mythal crafting system make up for items can't use? Can live without 32 Spot if comes down to it, but really wondering about UMD. Always had at least 1 lvl of Rogue in every build, so never gone without UMD. But I've never had a PC that made it past low epic levels, so I don't know how the end game plays and what's useful once a PC hits max. What would you do in this situation? |
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| Author: | TormakSaber [ Sun, May 15 2016, 19:09 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Caster dilemma: Dispel immunity vs. UMD |
As a caster I think you need UMD the least, and your PvM sanity might improve if you were Greater Dispel immune. The spires is one of the few places that actually spams dispels on a spawn-regular basis. If you've got tumble covered, you might enjoy the peace of mind of a higher caster level. |
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| Author: | Nalkanar [ Sun, May 15 2016, 19:13 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Caster dilemma: Dispel immunity vs. UMD |
I haven't leveled my mage to the top, but from PvE perspective it seems, that 20+ lvls seem to be enough in most areas. But as I surely have not been everywhere and have not reached 30 with mage char (with planned 23 wizard) I might be wrong  UMD is however not really that useful on mage. However few disarm trap and lockpick can get you safely into Gauntlet and Abyss' shop. |
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| Author: | Gribbo [ Sun, May 15 2016, 20:59 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Caster dilemma: Dispel immunity vs. UMD |
What do you plan on using the UMD for? You already have access to haste and improved invisibility, I suppose death ward? Gear wise you lose access to the rogues helm, one of the more useful helms. Is there any gear you had in mind that requires it? |
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| Author: | Vortex [ Mon, May 16 2016, 2:02 AM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Caster dilemma: Dispel immunity vs. UMD |
TormakSaber wrote: As a caster I think you need UMD the least, and your PvM sanity might improve if you were Greater Dispel immune. The spires is one of the few places that actually spams dispels on a spawn-regular basis. If you've got tumble covered, you might enjoy the peace of mind of a higher caster level. Yea, I'm kind of leaning that way. Build was planned to include 1 rogue, but recent experience makes me want that dispel immunity. Gribbo wrote: ...I suppose death ward? Gear wise you lose access to the rogues helm, one of the more useful helms. Is there any gear you had in mind that requires it? There's the rub. I know very little about epic gear except for what I've found hunting frost and fire giants. Few nice things I've come across that I'd like to use but can't. And I suppose that's not even epic level stuff. Never heard of rogue's helm, but sounds tasty. It's things like that that make me want UMD. The known unknowns. Is it worth losing Dispel immunity? |
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| Author: | Nalkanar [ Mon, May 16 2016, 14:16 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Caster dilemma: Dispel immunity vs. UMD |
On a related topic... Do you plan on taking disarm traps and lockpicking? I was reading through "fishing" topic and I've discovered parts about wizard SD, which deals with similar problém - if you want to go 24 or 23 wizard. |
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| Author: | Vortex [ Thu, May 19 2016, 18:51 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Caster dilemma: Dispel immunity vs. UMD |
I decided to go Wiz 23 1 Rogue and suck up the 5% dispel chance. UMD and rogue fits the PC's RP; she's kind of modeled on Lara Croft tomb raider, a collector of magical relics and the like. It just makes sense she'd figure out how to use them, since it's a core trait. And yes, she will have open lock and disarm trap skill ranks, not a lot but hopefully enough. Hope this works out, don't end up with buyer's remorse taking UMD over dispel immun. Time will tell.... Thanks for the feedback. |
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| Author: | bobofwestoregonusa [ Sun, Jul 03 2016, 17:18 PM ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Caster dilemma: Dispel immunity vs. UMD |
Just go 23 caster/ 1 bard Arcane caster levels stack, but you'll need a 10cha |
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