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16 Fighter, 13 Rogue, 1 Ranger
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Author:  Murex [ Fri, Dec 18 2015, 13:47 PM ]
Post subject:  16 Fighter, 13 Rogue, 1 Ranger
16 Fighter, 13 Rogue, 1 Ranger-

Zel-

STR: 10
DEX: 20 (+2) [27+1 = 28]
CON: 14?
WIS: - (-2)
INT: 12 (+2) [14]
CHA: - (-2)

Race: Air Genasi

Skills- UMD, Hide, Move Silently, Tumble, Spellcraft 5

Notes: Dex-Based Ninja with high saves who uses small and large shields-

1(R1). +1 Luck of Heroes
2(F1). +1 Weapon Finesse: Rapier
3(F2). +2 Dodge, Weapon Focus: Rapier
4(F3). +1 DEX
5(R2).
6(F4). +2 Lightning Reflexes, Weapon Specialization: Rapier
7(F5).
8(F6). +1 Knockdown +1 DEX
9(F7). +1 Iron Will
10(R3).
11(F8). +1 Improved Knockdown
12(F9). +1 Disarm +1 DEX
13(F10). +1 Blindfight
14(F11).
15(R4). +1 Improved Disarm
16(R5). +1 DEX
17(R6).
18(R7). +1 Toughness
19(R8).
20(F12). +1 Great Fortitude +1 DEX
21(F13). +1 Armor Skin
22(F14). +1 Epic Weapon Focus
23(F15).
24(F16). +2 Epic Weapon Focus, Epic Weapon Specialization +1 DEX
25(R9).
26(R10). (R: Improved Evasion)
27(R11). +1 Great Dexterity
28(R12). +1 DEX
29(R13). (R: Defensive Roll)
30(RANGER1). +2 Epic Dodge, Prowess
Author:  BasicHuman [ Fri, Dec 18 2015, 15:15 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: 16 Fighter, 13 Rogue, 1 Ranger
You may want to consider that 1 ranger means 1CL, for most potion buffs etc. You will be stripped of every item buff by any dispel.
Author:  Solvaras [ Fri, Dec 18 2015, 15:29 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: 16 Fighter, 13 Rogue, 1 Ranger
If you ever have rogue as a level in pre-epic, always take it at level one. Gives almost a full skill's worth of extra skill points. If it were me, I would move four of those rogue levels into pre-epic. It loses you one BAB, however you gain epic weapon specialization. You will have two more epic feats since two of the pre-epic ones move to epic. (Toughness and dodge are the two I would recommend dropping)

That's what I see that sticks out at the moment, though that class combination doesnt exactly scream "ninja" to me.
Author:  Raua [ Fri, Dec 18 2015, 16:31 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: 16 Fighter, 13 Rogue, 1 Ranger
BasicHuman wrote:
You may want to consider that 1 ranger means 1CL, for most potion buffs etc. You will be stripped of every item buff by any dispel.



Unless they have 9 or less wisdom!

Also yeah, what Solvaras said
Author:  maglorine [ Fri, Dec 18 2015, 18:51 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: 16 Fighter, 13 Rogue, 1 Ranger
Raua wrote:
Unless they have 9 or less wisdom!


What? Really?
Author:  Murex [ Sat, Dec 19 2015, 3:22 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: 16 Fighter, 13 Rogue, 1 Ranger
Okay, I edited to show the changes made. I still need two pre-epic feats. I can't take Strong Soul at first level because now it's a rogue level. I'm not dropping any of the feats listed on the build as it is now. I may have to go with Expertise/Improved Expertise. Any thoughts?
Author:  maglorine [ Sat, Dec 19 2015, 3:24 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: 16 Fighter, 13 Rogue, 1 Ranger
You need Defensive Roll to get Epic Dodge.
Author:  Murex [ Sat, Dec 19 2015, 3:26 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: 16 Fighter, 13 Rogue, 1 Ranger
maglorine wrote:
You need Defensive Roll to get Epic Dodge.


Thanks. :lol:

Made the change.
Author:  maglorine [ Sat, Dec 19 2015, 4:04 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: 16 Fighter, 13 Rogue, 1 Ranger
Iron Will, Great Fortitude and Toughness are not on the Fighter Bonus Feat List. You'll need to move them to General Feat Slots, like 12th and 18th levels. You also have Knockdown and Dodge on General Feats so you could swap those around to Fighter Bonus Feats since they are on the list and free up general feat slots for the Saves Feats and Toughness. Some mix of that will work.

With a DEX base and Epic Dodge I don't see the need for Expertise. You might be better off with both Disarm feats.
Author:  Murex [ Sat, Dec 19 2015, 7:28 AM ]
Post subject:  Re: 16 Fighter, 13 Rogue, 1 Ranger
maglorine wrote:
Iron Will, Great Fortitude and Toughness are not on the Fighter Bonus Feat List. You'll need to move them to General Feat Slots, like 12th and 18th levels. You also have Knockdown and Dodge on General Feats so you could swap those around to Fighter Bonus Feats since they are on the list and free up general feat slots for the Saves Feats and Toughness. Some mix of that will work.

With a DEX base and Epic Dodge I don't see the need for Expertise. You might be better off with both Disarm feats.


Do the feats look right now?
Author:  maglorine [ Sat, Dec 19 2015, 13:09 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: 16 Fighter, 13 Rogue, 1 Ranger
You still need to swap Great Fortitude for Improved Disarm. Great Fortitude needs to be taken as a General Feat so you can take that at 15 then snag Improved Disarm at 20 as a Fighter Bonus Feat.

Also, you have Epic Weapon Focus listed twice. Are you taking Discipline, it's not on your skill list?
Author:  Murex [ Sat, Dec 19 2015, 17:08 PM ]
Post subject:  Re: 16 Fighter, 13 Rogue, 1 Ranger
Changes made. Thanks for catching that.

Will I really need discipline if the character can't be hit very easily? I mean, I will put remaining points into something, so uhhh......yeah probably. The skills I listed are must-haves, the remaining points if any will probably be saved up until close to the end to be dumped into something I feel the character needs- discipline may be one skill I will want lots of points in, or no points in. I don't know what the actual attributes of the character will be beyond minimum WIS and CHA, maxed DEX, and at least 14 INT, so I just wrote out the skills I really want for this guy.

Is there any reason why you think I shouldn't take Epic Fortitude at L30? I may have missed something essential, but I can't think of anything better.

btw: I immediately get error messages or crashes from the nwn wiki, so I avoid it, so yeah- thanks for the help.
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