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Holy_Avenger
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Posted: Sat, Sep 03 2016, 15:44 PM |
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Joined: 19 May 2014
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Sorry if it already was asked/answered!
My question is... Is there something like Valhalla for Faerun barbarians?
Is it Warrior's Rest?
Or is Valhalla for Faerun as well? I think I've read that somewhere, that Valhalla and Norse Mythology can be worshipped in Forgetten Realms settings as well...
It is quite critical for stories made by my Skald, so I'd like to know how it is accepted on Amia and community.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Sun, Sep 04 2016, 5:10 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere
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Quote: http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Gladsheim The closest thing to a true Valhalla is probably Gladsheim/Ysgard. The Norse gods are also mentioned to exist - though these sources are from the 1987 Manual of the Planes.
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Lutra
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Posted: Sun, Sep 04 2016, 8:13 AM |
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Joined: 12 Feb 2008
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Yeah it is from the Great Wheel thing...when Arvandor was called Olympos..etc etc etc.
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Tarnus
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Posted: Sun, Sep 04 2016, 10:07 AM |
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Joined: 28 Aug 2015
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Deities and Demigods p 163 has a section for the Asgardian Pantheon.
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rafaelmacgyver
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Posted: Sun, Sep 04 2016, 13:21 PM |
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Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brazil
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Player's Guide to Faerun Page 163 and 164 Have information about Warrior's Rest.
Deities and Demigods is a "General Deity book of D&D"
Faiths and Pantheons is specific about the deities of Forgotten Realms.
Taking a look on all the 3 books would be nice to make the comparisons you want to find out.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Sun, Sep 04 2016, 18:25 PM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere
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Lutra wrote: Yeah it is from the Great Wheel thing...when Arvandor was called Olympos..etc etc etc. Amia uses a combination of the great tree of Toril and thr great wheel of greyhawk/planescape.
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A Majestic Dwarf
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Posted: Mon, Sep 05 2016, 11:30 AM |
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Joined: 09 Oct 2006 Location: Wales
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I am sure Valhalla and the other Norse Halls exists somewhere... but I do not think they are linked to Faerun. After all.... isn't Tyr an interloper from the Norse Pantheon originally?
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Tarnus
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Posted: Mon, Sep 05 2016, 11:32 AM |
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Yeah he is. And as posted above, the norse pantheon resides in Gladsheim.
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MightNMagic
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Posted: Mon, Sep 05 2016, 16:44 PM |
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Joined: 30 Jul 2013 Location: Space Australia
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Proper 3.0 cosmology is Great Wheel in canon. In 2.0 and 3.0, the realm of Asgard on the plane of Ysgard exists and is home to the Norse pantheon. There their petitioners do battle all day and those live get to feast. Those who die, are reborn next sunrise to try again.
It's important to note that this only applies to the plane's petitioners and mortals who die in Asgard (the realm) heroically.
Does any of this tie to the Forgotten Realms? Yes, actually. See the Tyr of Norse is the same god as the Tyr of Toril and his petitioners end up in Asgard. A devoted Tyrian would know some of it.
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Holy_Avenger
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Posted: Wed, Sep 07 2016, 16:21 PM |
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Joined: 19 May 2014
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Lutra
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Posted: Wed, Sep 07 2016, 16:53 PM |
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Joined: 12 Feb 2008
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Aurora wrote: isn't Tyr an interloper from the Norse Pantheon originally? He is indeed the god of war and justice in the historical Norse Pantheon. In Forgotten Realms setting though, the "war" portfolio was cut from him and he is a southern god lorewise who first appeared on the Chondathan areas.
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MightNMagic
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Posted: Wed, Sep 07 2016, 20:24 PM |
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Joined: 30 Jul 2013 Location: Space Australia
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TormakSaber wrote: Amia uses a combination of the great tree of Toril and thr great wheel of greyhawk/planescape. The Great Tree is kind of like the "Clueless' Guide to Proving You're an Idiot" all things told. It's nonsense and the kind of thing that gets primes called "Clueless." It's the equivalent of everyone on Krynn thinking everything past Krynn is the Abyss. It's the same thing when you planeswalk from Sigil to a world where only the Greek pantheon holds sway and all they know about is Olympus and Hades. Visiting planeswalkers would just roll their eyes and humor them with "uh huh, sure." There's no need to designate the "Great Wheel" as Greyhawk because there's only one shared multiverse. Greyhawk's world of Oerth shares the same prime plane as Krynn and Toril and yes, there's only one group of outer planes, inner planes, etc. Toril is very poster-boy in the Prime World way of thinking it's the center of the multiverse and everything revolves around it. Torilians leaving it are typically gobsmacked to find out it's very untrue and that world-shattering events on their little world haven't done anything past it. ("What do you mean magic here works just fine?! Mystra died! ... what do you mean, "Who's Mystra?" The Weave! ... "What's a weave?"") Lutra wrote: Aurora wrote: isn't Tyr an interloper from the Norse Pantheon originally? He is indeed the god of war and justice in the historical Norse Pantheon. In Forgotten Realms setting though, the "war" portfolio was cut from him and he is a southern god lorewise who first appeared on the Chondathan areas. Yes. He was slowly waning in power as Thor gained more popularity, taking some of his "thunder" so to speak, so he branched out of the Norse pantheon seeking new followers. All the gods with names from other mythologies are the same gods in their home (original) pantheons. Oghma and Silanus from Celt, Loviatar and Meilikki from Finnish, etc. Some came to Realmspace because they personally were losing power in their own patheons and sought new sources of it (like Tyr), others came because their entire home pantheons are sort of wasting away and they did not wish to die that way (Finnish, Summarian, Babylonian gods), others came because they're actually very popular and a big deal in the multiversal sense (Oghma, Silvanus), some are universally racial (dwarf, elf, etc) and a few are very small trasnplants of a handful of priests who came from elsewhere via spelljamming and planeswalking. It's important to note though, that anytime a big, multiversal power 'dies' in a Forgotten Realms novel or what-have-you, they don't really die. The only way something on a level of a Power can actually die is if another Power kills it in outright deity on deity battle or all it's worshippers are killed/leave it. If something like Oghma were said to be "killed' in a Realms source, at best it means it played Ao's game by Ao's rules and lost access to it's followers in Realmspace. Multiversal gods have tens of millions, if not billions of followers on gobs of prime worlds and the planes themselves. Killing most of them would be practically impossible as most of their followers are outside of Realmspace, they're not dumb enough to leave their realms to do god-battle over one little crystal sphere when it's just a drop in the bucket to their belief pool, and picking a fight with most of them means you'd have their entire pantheons getting their backs. (Bane isn't going to try to trick an kill Tyr in god-battle anytime soon because the entire Norse pantheon would squish him like a bug in retaliation and who the heck has Bane got in his corner? Nobody. Single-sphere pantheon gods rarely even have ties to each other.) Most likely, the only gods subject to true and actual death are the single-sphere gods that originated on Toril and don't seem to have any followings outside it like Bane, Torm, Selune, Mystra, etc.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Thu, Sep 08 2016, 7:45 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere
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Quote: The Great Tree is kind of like the "Clueless' Guide to Proving You're an Idiot" all things told. It's nonsense and the kind of thing that gets primes called "Clueless." It's the equivalent of everyone on Krynn thinking everything past Krynn is the Abyss. It's the same thing when you planeswalk from Sigil to a world where only the Greek pantheon holds sway and all they know about is Olympus and Hades. Visiting planeswalkers would just roll their eyes and humor them with "uh huh, sure." There's no need to designate the "Great Wheel" as Greyhawk because there's only one shared multiverse. Greyhawk's world of Oerth shares the same prime plane as Krynn and Toril and yes, there's only one group of outer planes, inner planes, etc. Toril is very poster-boy in the Prime World way of thinking it's the center of the multiverse and everything revolves around it. Torilians leaving it are typically gobsmacked to find out it's very untrue and that world-shattering events on their little world haven't done anything past it. ("What do you mean magic here works just fine?! Mystra died! ... what do you mean, "Who's Mystra?" The Weave! ... "What's a weave?"") That's nie, but not really relevant to the conversation. As I said, amia uses a combination of the World Tree and the Great Wheel. The Great Wheel forms the foundation of our cosmology, and the Torilian Tree-Realms are subspaces within the Wheel planes - for example, you could expect to find the Gates of the Moon in Arborea, you could expect to find Brightwater along the "edge" of Elysium and Arbora, the House of the Triad is in the Seven Mounting Heavens, Banehold is in the Hells,, so on, so forth.
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Liz
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Posted: Sun, Sep 11 2016, 9:31 AM |
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Joined: 28 May 2010 Location: Smallville
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Worth noting maybe that Valhalla of actual Norse myth was not a "plane" on the order of Asgard or Midgard or et cetera. It was a building, located on the plane of Asgard. So if Amia cosmology has an Asgard, then yeah, it also likely has a Valhalla there.
/resume lurk
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