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Kamina
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 Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 15:54 PM |
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Joined: 05 Jul 2007
Location: Kent, England.
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I'm sorry for this little sub-rant, but this is to do with recent things. Taking a look at the screenshots topic of late (not specifying which) and some IG things which I have ignored, I've noticed not many people are respecting the fact that some of us don't want to play a game with constant bad language and/or sexual refferences.
Sorry all, just wanted to get this out in the open.
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El Toffee
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 15:55 PM |
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Joined: 26 Jan 2006
Location: Not here.
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Some of it is in the form of a joke, but yeah, agreed. It's not cool guys :/
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Kamina
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 15:55 PM |
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Joined: 05 Jul 2007
Location: Kent, England.
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Yeah, I do know most of it is a joke, but enough's enough.
_________________ "Operating in the border between light and darkness, shadowdancers are nimble artists of deception. They are mysterious and unknown, never completely trusted but always inducing wonder when met"
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IronAngel
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 16:08 PM |
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Joined: 29 Sep 2005
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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While I sympathize with getting tired of jokes that are in bad taste, I can't completely agree with you. I'm not sure if I missed something, but I checked the latest page of the topic and there's nothing that's unsuitable for teens, or the Amia target audience in general. Age is not an excuse to condemn sexual innuendo anyhow, because understanding the references and jokes shows that it's not them that "pollute your mind" but something you've already learned elsewhere. If you watch the TV, you are likely to find similar innuendo and worse. While outright swearing and bad language in general is bad form, it's awfully relative. For example: some might find the word "shi[size=0].[/size]t" offensive, and it is indeed censored by the forum filter (which I just bypassed!) but many people, me included, don't even think twice before using such an everyday word.
Of course, that doesn't refute your right to not wanting to see the things you've seen. People should be considerate towards eachother, but one cannot demand omniscience from others in regards to what one might find offensive. I understand that reminding others of such in person might be embarassing and make you seem like a spoilsport, but there's always the alternative of notifying a DM and asking them to give the reminder instead. We do intervene in things that are out-of-line and distasteful, at least if we're asked to. (Intervene, in my case, means reminding and not enforcing, unless there's obvious line-crossing going on.) When no one seems to mind, though, I have better things to spend my resources on.
_________________ On Joon, Kjetta wrote: The guy that probably has sexual fantasies about masturbation. I mean, Iron, you're a bookworm nerd that even in your wildest escapism fantasies flee to the internet to play the role of another bookworm nerd? Come on!
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Carter
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 16:33 PM |
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Joined: 15 Aug 2005
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Agreed with Iron completely. The NWN ESRB Rating even says "Experience may change during online play", meaning that the rating doesn't really factor into online gameplay. And honestly, Amia isn't bad by any standards. You're going to see worse things on Law & Order, or the Colbert Report. Hell, the History Channel has much more mature subject matter than a great deal of Amia.
I, for one, go through Amia for days and days without seeing any bad language being used, IC or OOC. Perhaps what I consider "bad language" is different, but I wouldn't really say so. I might use words like Iron uses, on occasion, but that doesn't mean I think they're appropriate for constant use. Unless you consider "damn", "hell", and "whore" as "bad words", then you're pretty safe on Amia. The same goes for sexual references. There might be the occasional comment in party chat, but it's usually very quick, and almost always quite innocent.
So, two solutions for you. The first is to find new people to RP with, or at least party with, if you're seeing this stuff IG too much. You might come across a few people who will change their character's speech and actions because you're upset by them, but when it's something as innocent as a few harsh words and crude language, you can't expect anything to change, so you're better off finding people who are like that already.
Second solution is to stop looking at the screenshot thread. Seeing other people's screenshots of things like that seems to be what bothers you the most, so not looking would be a very effective solution. No one forces you to look at the screenshot thread, so if you don't like the content, just don't look at it.
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ainjyll
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 17:09 PM |
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Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: wilmington, nc
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Carter wrote: ...stop looking at the screenshot thread. Seeing other people's screenshots of things like that seems to be what bothers you the most, so not looking would be a very effective solution. No one forces you to look at the screenshot thread, so if you don't like the content, just don't look at it.
*Quoted for emphasis* _________________  "I once took the high road and it took me straight to hell and I stood there all by myself." -Hank III
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Dwagin
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 17:11 PM |
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Joined: 08 Aug 2006
Location: The Land of Nod
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"All styles are good except the tiresome kind. " - Voltaire
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-Extraordinarily ordinary in the mostest of ways.
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Terra_777
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 18:10 PM |
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Administrative Developer
Joined: 31 Jan 2007
Location: Sweden
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"Just Kidding." - Mind that because you're kidding doesn't that mean the person(s) you're kidding for doesn't take offence.
X = Personal taste.
Thats all.
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Sokar Rostau
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 18:24 PM |
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Joined: 05 Sep 2007
Location: Australia
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It's a constant source of both amusement and fascination for me that it's fine to depict violence in the media but using "dirty" words or showing sexuality is frowned upon. It's apparently alright to slice and dice hundreds of creatures (including humans), in a variety of fun ways, in a game but it's not alright to say "boobies" let alone show them.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 18:56 PM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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Or y'all could you know, not be stuck up jerks and maybe look at what is a simple request from the TC.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 19:05 PM |
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Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Location: Down South and Bent Edge
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Quote: Me, being under 18, do not want to be seeing half the OOC stuff I've seen
I'm sorry, but, if your old enough to be on the internet by yourself then the whole argument is debased via the fact that i have 100 percent confidence that among your real life peers you say things and experience things that are exponentially worse than text on a screen.
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Lally
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 19:05 PM |
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Joined: 16 Jun 2007
Location: Leather chair, USA. Tell me about your mother.
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Boobs are clearly the root of all evil.
Roots, even.
I see both points. I think if it was just the screenie topic that was bugging you, you could just avert your eyes. If it's in game, I doubt anyone would mind if you mentioned you were uncomfortable with the conversation at hand. I for one hate violent limb ripping dramatic torture roleplay, and i refuse to participate in it. I have no problem saying so, and the limb rippers are usually happy to oblidge.
Just say something like...oh..I don't know....
"I'm Chris Hansen from dateline NBC. Why don't you have a seat right there..."
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Last edited by Lally on Mon, Jan 12 2009, 19:08 PM, edited 1 time in total.
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The Golden Gnome
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 19:08 PM |
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Joined: 14 Dec 2004
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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That's how babies are made, baby!
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"People that talk in metaphors ought to shampoo my crotch." - Jack Nicholson.
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Kamina
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 19:16 PM |
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Joined: 05 Jul 2007
Location: Kent, England.
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Considering only the first few posts were of any constructive critism, I'd rather this topic be locked.
_________________ "Operating in the border between light and darkness, shadowdancers are nimble artists of deception. They are mysterious and unknown, never completely trusted but always inducing wonder when met"
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Carter
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 19:18 PM |
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Joined: 15 Aug 2005
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Lalelilolu wrote: I for one hate violent limb ripping dramatic torture roleplay, and i refuse to participate in it. I have no problem saying so, and the limb rippers are usually happy to oblidge.
If it's something like that, then sure. There -are- rules on Amia, and most of the mature things are either restricted to by-consent, or are banned outright. Most of the vulgar words are, as well. You can't use the F-word, for instance.
From my experiences, though, vulgar words and sexual RP is uncommon enough on Amia, in public channels, at least, that it isn't really a problem, and those words that are encountered often aren't really bad at all. I guess if those words bother you, you could mention it, but I really don't see, "Damn you, whoredancer!" as something that's liable to be dropped completely by many people.
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The Golden Gnome
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 19:19 PM |
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Joined: 14 Dec 2004
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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Bah... Have you seen the American youth comedies? They're all about banging chicks. Sex Drive, American Pie 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5, Superbad.. Whatever.
Amia isn't about that though, but it's a part of life.. And a part of puberty. And it's not like you're being bombed with breasts and penises.
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Dev Disco
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 19:28 PM |
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HRM Chicken I of Amia
Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Location: Amsterdam
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Folks, this isn't an unreasonable request. I don't think he means that he takes offense of the Off Topic screenie thread, but he's more like "looking at these screenies Amia seems to passed some decency limits". A sentiment I cannot deny, I am afraid.
So, tone down.
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xordae
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 19:35 PM |
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Joined: 01 Jul 2005
Location: Germany
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Agreed with the OP. There's stuff that adds flavour to roleplay and there's stuff that can be kept in private.
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The Golden Gnome
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 19:39 PM |
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Joined: 14 Dec 2004
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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Isn't partychat rather private, though?
I don't see the problem.. Maybe because I'm European.
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"People that talk in metaphors ought to shampoo my crotch." - Jack Nicholson.
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Carter
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 19:41 PM |
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The Golden Gnome wrote: Isn't partychat rather private, though?
I don't see the problem.. Maybe because I'm European.
Quite so, yeah. If the DMs have a problem with it, they'll tell you. If you're in a party with subject matter you don't like, leave.
Personally, I do not, and never have, seen a problem with anything IC on Amia, unless it's a problem with it being -too- restricted. I've not once seen anything done IC breaking any decency limit.
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xordae
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 19:41 PM |
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Joined: 01 Jul 2005
Location: Germany
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Party chat is rather private, and no one forces you to remain in a party where language is abundant that you don't wanna hear. He did not specify that it was party chat that offended him, though. Amia is 13+ and that has to be respected IC.
Us grown-up folks wouldn't see a problem with language.. but that breeds a mindset of "13+ is only on paper" which it is not.
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Gunz
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 19:46 PM |
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The way I do things is I won't say anything in the talk or party channel that wouldn't get through FCC rules here in the US. So, I will say things like bitch, crap, pussy, and ass. But, I wont say the F word, the S word, the C word, or anything like that. I won't even do the infamous "feckin'" and all those other words people like to use in place of the actual word here on Amia... I feel they make the actual word lose its punch  .
I do use first letter representations of words in party chat with people I know well though, I ain't gonna lie there.
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The Golden Gnome
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 19:49 PM |
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Joined: 14 Dec 2004
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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The problem is... You'd have to define the limits. Which is difficult.. You can't ban every sex-related word.
And I only mentioned partychat, because the mentioned screenshot reference was taking place in partychat.
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"People that talk in metaphors ought to shampoo my crotch." - Jack Nicholson.
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Carter
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 19:53 PM |
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Joined: 15 Aug 2005
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xordae wrote: Us grown-up folks wouldn't see a problem with language.. but that breeds a mindset of "13+ is only on paper" which it is not.
I'll go back to the media thing. Watch TV show with a TV, listen to the radio, watch a movie, play a videogame. Here's a list of things that fit roughly into "13+
TV-14 (Television in United States):
* V for strong violence
* S for moderate sexual situations
* L for moderate to strong language
* D for strong dialogue
PG-13 (Films in United States):
Some material may be inappropriate for children under 13. Films given this rating may contain sexual content, brief or partial nudity, strong sex language or humor, mature themes, political themes, terror and/or intense action violence.
T (Videogames in North America):
Titles in this category may contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling, and/or infrequent use of moderate to strong language.
I don't think Amia has broken past this at all, at any point, really. It fits nicely into the category of "T", which is the rating NWN holds in North America.
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HellScourge
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 20:03 PM |
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o0GuNz_N_RoSeZ0o wrote: I won't even do the infamous "feckin'" and all those other words people like to use in place of the actual word here on Amia... I feel they make the actual word lose its punch . I say Spoon instead of such things occasionally. "Spoon it" as an exa,ple or such stuff. _________________ "Most assume that all the followers of Lathander are great morning people. They're very wrong." "I think we are the only group where AD&D stands for Attention Deficit Disorder." TeroSNS wrote: Hello Everyone [...] I like tentacles [...] 
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Kamina
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 20:07 PM |
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Joined: 05 Jul 2007
Location: Kent, England.
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Quote: T (Videogames in North America):
Titles in this category may contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling, and/or infrequent use of moderate to strong language.
Just with to clarify that NWN in Europe is 12+. _________________ "Operating in the border between light and darkness, shadowdancers are nimble artists of deception. They are mysterious and unknown, never completely trusted but always inducing wonder when met"
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Nekhy
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 20:15 PM |
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I think we fit within the limits of original NWN quite nicely most of the time. There's the occasional crossing of what's tasteful, but in general it's not worse than what is seen in other media, TV and movies.
Real-world cussing in RP is just tasteless and crass, though. It ruins the mood of RP completely.
Edit: Europe is far more lax than the US in general, btw. There's the same hookers, crass language and violence in the game on both sides of the pond, but in US they rank it Teen and in Europe Pre-Teen. Our 12+ contains quite a bit more naughty stuff.
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IronAngel
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 20:16 PM |
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Joined: 29 Sep 2005
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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On a remotely related note, I'll go dig up those Faerûnian curse words Ed detailed sometime.. *goes off digging into the archives*
_________________ On Joon, Kjetta wrote: The guy that probably has sexual fantasies about masturbation. I mean, Iron, you're a bookworm nerd that even in your wildest escapism fantasies flee to the internet to play the role of another bookworm nerd? Come on!
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HellScourge
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 20:28 PM |
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Joined: 17 Jan 2007
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Nekhy wrote: Edit: Europe is far more lax than the US in general, btw. There's the same hookers, crass language and violence in the game on both sides of the pond, but in US they rank it Teen and in Europe Pre-Teen. Our 12+ contains quite a bit more naughty stuff.
Yes.. in europe they cut out the blood/impaled corpses/Bleeding foes/Stuck arrows.
And put it at 12+. _________________ "Most assume that all the followers of Lathander are great morning people. They're very wrong." "I think we are the only group where AD&D stands for Attention Deficit Disorder." TeroSNS wrote: Hello Everyone [...] I like tentacles [...]
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Teufel Eldritch
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 20:31 PM |
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Kinda on-topic, kinda off-topic but I always found the dislike of certain words over others that mean the same thing kinda odd. Now I'm not saying I myself don't watch my mouth, I do, it's just that I find it strange. Like 'feces' is okay but 'sh*t' is not. They mean the same thing but they are treated differently. Weird
Back to your regularly scheduled program.
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The Golden Gnome
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 20:42 PM |
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Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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HellScourge wrote: Yes.. in europe they cut out the blood/impaled corpses/Bleeding foes/Stuck arrows.
And put it at 12+.
They do?
I highly doubt that.
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IronAngel
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Posted: Mon, Jan 12 2009, 20:42 PM |
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Joined: 29 Sep 2005
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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A lock was asked by the original poster, so I'm going to give that. Bringing the matter to public attention and presenting a request wasn't unreasonable, and whether you respect the request or not, there's no real need for discussion in this topic. I'll start another about Realmsian cursing.
_________________ On Joon, Kjetta wrote: The guy that probably has sexual fantasies about masturbation. I mean, Iron, you're a bookworm nerd that even in your wildest escapism fantasies flee to the internet to play the role of another bookworm nerd? Come on!
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